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Supreme Court Rules on Gun Ownership of Domestic Abusers
« on: March 29, 2014, 07:10:03 pm »
Hey, it's one of those rare good decisions by the Supreme Court. In a 9-0 decision the Supreme Court ruled that a man convicted of misdemeanor domestic assault could be prevented from owning firearms under the Lautenberg Amendment:

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The case concerned James A. Castleman, a Tennessee man who in 2001 was convicted of assault in state court for causing bodily injury to the mother of his child. Court records do not say precisely what he did or what injuries the woman sustained.

When Mr. Castleman was indicted under the federal gun law, he argued that it did not apply to him because his state conviction did not qualify as a crime of domestic violence. Though the federal law defines a “misdemeanor crime of domestic violence” as one involving the use of physical force, he argued that the state law under which he was charged did not require proof of such force.

While the Sixth Circuit agreed with Castleman's argument, citing a hypothetical of someone poisoning their partner, thereby causing bodily injury without physical force, the Supreme Court disagreed:

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Justice Sonia Sotomayor, writing for six justices, said that domestic violence must be understood broadly to include “seemingly minor acts.” The word violence standing alone connotes substantial force, she said, but that is not true of domestic violence.

She gave examples of what might qualify as only domestic violence: pushing, grabbing, shoving, hair pulling and “a squeeze of the arm that causes a bruise.”

Since Mr. Castleman had pleaded guilty to having “caused bodily injury,” Justice Sotomayor wrote, the use of physical force serious enough to amount to domestic violence could be assumed.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen G. Breyer and Elena Kagan joined the majority opinion.

Although Justice Scalia would have adhered to a more narrow definition of domestic violence, he nonetheless concurred in judgment. Well, in before the far right starts crying "tyranny"...oops, too late.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on Gun Ownership of Domestic Abusers
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2014, 07:35:42 pm »
Good to see this went well.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on Gun Ownership of Domestic Abusers
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2014, 11:17:41 pm »
And it was a unanimous vote? Wow, you don't get a lot of those.

But yeah, domestic abusers shouldn't have guns. Most sane people can agree on this.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on Gun Ownership of Domestic Abusers
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2014, 12:13:01 am »
And it was a unanimous vote? Wow, you don't get a lot of those.

Not exactly unanimous--Scalia felt they went too far (though he agreed with their ultimate conclusion) while Alito (with whom Thomas agreed) felt they didn't go far enough.
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Re: Supreme Court Rules on Gun Ownership of Domestic Abusers
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2014, 11:29:16 am »
And it was a unanimous vote? Wow, you don't get a lot of those.

Not exactly unanimous--Scalia felt they went too far (though he agreed with their ultimate conclusion) while Alito (with whom Thomas agreed) felt they didn't go far enough.
It's unanimous in judgment as I said though :)

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on Gun Ownership of Domestic Abusers
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2014, 11:47:58 am »
And it was a unanimous vote? Wow, you don't get a lot of those.

Not exactly unanimous--Scalia felt they went too far (though he agreed with their ultimate conclusion) while Alito (with whom Thomas agreed) felt they didn't go far enough.
It's unanimous in judgment as I said though :)

True, and there is a majority opinion to set binding precedent, but it's a bit misleading to describe the decision as simply unanimous.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on Gun Ownership of Domestic Abusers
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2014, 01:38:23 pm »
Question:

Why was anybody with a record of violence in general ever allowed to own a gun?  Letting people who have a problem with violent outbursts own weapons seems like a bad idea to me.  Obviously many things can be used as a weapon and it's impossible to ban someone from owning everything, but not letting them own anything that's designed specifically to be a weapon seems prudent.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on Gun Ownership of Domestic Abusers
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2014, 01:46:11 pm »
Question:

Why was anybody with a record of violence in general ever allowed to own a gun?  Letting people who have a problem with violent outbursts own weapons seems like a bad idea to me.  Obviously many things can be used as a weapon and it's impossible to ban someone from owning everything, but not letting them own anything that's designed specifically to be a weapon seems prudent.

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Quote from: Jordan Duram
It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

Quote from: Supreme Court of Canada
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.