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Community => Society and History => Topic started by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on March 17, 2013, 03:30:30 pm
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...and defendants Trent Mays and Ma'lik Richmond were found "delinquent" (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/03/steubenville-verdict-guilty/63194/)--more or less the juvenile equivalent of a guilty verdict. Judge Thomas Lipps sentenced Richmond to a minimum of one year in a juvenile detention facility and a maximum of until he turns 21, while Mays (who was also found delinquent on a charge of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material) was sentenced to two years as well as a consecutive sentence which has the possibility of lasting until he's 24. The two convicted rapists cried as the verdict was read, but I can guarantee that the tears were for themselves alone. And if it's any consolation, the Ohio Attorney General announced he will look into more charges (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57574772/ohio-attorney-general-mike-dewine-to-look-into-more-steubenville-charges/) in the Steubenville case.
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That doesn't seem like enough punishment, but better than what I expected.
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That doesn't seem like enough punishment, but better than what I expected.
That's because they weren't tried as adults. But yeah, a possible 7 years for Mays and 5 years for Richmond, better than nothing.
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I kind of want their tears
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CNN's actually going off about how these bastards' lives are ruined, and not even mentioning the victim.
There is no facepalm image which truly shows how I feel about this.
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Hopefully we'll advance while they're behind bars to the point where printable screens allow us to hang digital images on our walls, so we can print out GIFs of them crying and hang them in their bedrooms when they get back as a constant reminder of their behavior.
On the subject of the sentencing, I think a big part of it was also the doubt regarding how much the victim was aware of. Nobody, not even her friends, could agree on whether she "lied a lot" as one girl put it, or if it was likely that she may have been just drunk. Apparently even the victim told different stories to her friends, alternating between "I must have been drugged" and "I remember all of it." Regardless of which interpretation you support (with the extremes being "teenage girl roofied and dragged around as a rape trophy" vs. "teenage girl gets drunk and fucks a bunch of dudes, then cries rape"), it's enough to create a ton of doubt about the facts.
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The whole saga surrounding this affair just highlights the insanity of the pedestal on which sports players are placed--either they come crashing down hard, or they can do no wrong.
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The whole saga surrounding this affair just highlights the insanity of the pedestal on which sports players are placed--either they come crashing down hard, or they can do no wrong.
Yep. The fact that it seems like this whole thing was attempted to be swept under the rug so fast just proves this even further.
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CNN's actually going off about how these bastards' lives are ruined, and not even mentioning the victim.
There is no facepalm image which truly shows how I feel about this.
Good to see rape culture is alive and well...
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Wait you mean CNN is celebrating that, or concerned about them?
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CNN's actually going off about how these bastards' lives are ruined, and not even mentioning the victim.
There is no facepalm image which truly shows how I feel about this.
Good to see rape culture is alive and well...
It's not an entirely unfair point--they were high school football stars, probably looking to get an athletic scholarship to play at a FBS program, and, if they're really lucky parlay that into an NFL contract. There's basically no chance this will ever happen now.
Not that I feel one shred of sympathy for them.
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CNN's actually going off about how these bastards' lives are ruined, and not even mentioning the victim.
There is no facepalm image which truly shows how I feel about this.
Good to see rape culture is alive and well...
It's not an entirely unfair point--they were high school football stars, probably looking to get an athletic scholarship to play at a FBS program, and, if they're really lucky parlay that into an NFL contract. There's basically no chance this will ever happen now.
Not that I feel one shred of sympathy for them.
It's true, hopefully their lives are ruined. What I don't want, however, is the media trying to gin up sympathy for these people. That's all.
Oh, and I forgot to mention the fact that they have to register as sex offenders now. So, that will thankfully follow them everywhere.
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Indeed. For those worried that the punishment seems light, remember that they're got the stain of "sexual predator" tacked on to their lives for eternity. They'll likely have to register as sex offenders, which means that everyone around them wherever they live will have to be told about it. Anything they do that requires even a cursory background check will bring up rape charges. Plus all the usual issues that happen when someone spends as much as half a decade locked away from society.
It's highly doubtful that either of them will manage any of the dreams that they may have had, or accomplish anything outside of quietly living alone with minimal interaction with a community that fearfully hides their children from them.
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best part is the sex offender label they now proudly wear. that is about as bad as it gets.
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Wait you mean CNN is celebrating that, or concerned about them?
The latter.
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It's highly doubtful that either of them will manage any of the dreams that they may have had, or accomplish anything outside of quietly living alone with minimal interaction with a community that fearfully hides their children from them.
While I agree they deserve to be punished, I can't help thinking that this and the shaming and lifelong ostracism the label "sex offender" carries go beyond the pale. Considering that in many states you can now be labeled a sex offender for such things as urinating in public or a 17-year-old having sex with their 16-year-old SO, I think that label has been watered down to the point of uselessness, while at the same still being considered synonymous with "violent child molester".
Consider the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIOlrC4ChgE
This is a case where a good-intentioned, if misguided law has been turned into a weapon to inflict extra punishment on people who have already legally paid their debt. Studies have shown that residency restrictions and public notification actually INCREASE the chance of a sex-offender reoffending, because they have so much less to lose than if they actually had a chance to build a somewhat normal life again. On top of that, they do nothing to reduce actual sex crimes committed, particularly since the vast majority are committed by people the victim knows and trusts, in direct contradiction to "stranger danger".
What these boys did is horrific. They deserve to be punished for it. Once they're out of prison, law enforcement should be able to keep an eye on them. But lifelong public shaming can't be called anything other than "cruel and unusual." Why do we not have public registries of drug dealers, who inflict far more damage and are much more likely to reoffend and to hurt strangers with their crimes? For that matter, if we're going to insist a category of criminals be forever separated from society, why not make like 19th-century England with transportation?
Honestly, how is putting someone on a registry that makes it all-but-impossible to find friends, get a job and build a stake in a community supposed to make it less likely for them to reoffend?
Modified to add a source:
http://fairregistry.org/download/importantdocs/FAIR%20Public%20Brochure%203-2012.pdf
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For that matter, if we're going to insist a category of criminals be forever separated from society, why not make like 19th-century England with transportation?
Because those Australians made a civilization when we had our backs turned.
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Weren't there others besides these two who raped her? Maybe I'm remembering the original story wrong, but why are these two the only ones being given any sort of sentencing?
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Weren't there others besides these two who raped her? Maybe I'm remembering the original story wrong, but why are these two the only ones being given any sort of sentencing?
The others were dropped, it was part of the whole coverup. Also there might have not been enough evidence in the videos.
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Weren't there others besides these two who raped her? Maybe I'm remembering the original story wrong, but why are these two the only ones being given any sort of sentencing?
From what I can find, that was what was going around at the initial arrest but had no confirmation. The current story is that the two boys were the ones who raped her and took pictures while dragging her around until she finally woke up naked in someone else's house with her phone, underwear, and earrings missing.
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It's highly doubtful that either of them will manage any of the dreams that they may have had, or accomplish anything outside of quietly living alone with minimal interaction with a community that fearfully hides their children from them.
While I agree they deserve to be punished, I can't help thinking that this and the shaming and lifelong ostracism the label "sex offender" carries go beyond the pale. Considering that in many states you can now be labeled a sex offender for such things as urinating in public or a 17-year-old having sex with their 16-year-old SO, I think that label has been watered down to the point of uselessness, while at the same still being considered synonymous with "violent child molester".
Which is a topic for another discussion.
This is a case where a good-intentioned, if misguided law has been turned into a weapon to inflict extra punishment on people who have already legally paid their debt.
Or to make people aware that there are rapists/child molesters in their neighborhood and allow the police to keep tabs on them.
But lifelong public shaming can't be called anything other than "cruel and unusual." Why do we not have public registries of drug dealers, who inflict far more damage and are much more likely to reoffend and to hurt strangers with their crimes?
Personally I feel that I can call the sex offenders registry anything other than cruel and unusual. And I also don't think that drug dealing is an analogous crime to rape/molestation. At least in the case of purchasing drugs, people have a choice in whether or not they do so. Is that the same as when someone forces themself upon you sexually?
Modified to add a source:
http://fairregistry.org/download/importantdocs/FAIR%20Public%20Brochure%203-2012.pdf
Which, when I click it, tells me I'm not allowed to access it.
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The problem with a sex offender registry is not its existence, but rather how easy it is to get on it. As Sirius said, even something like two underage kids being caught screwing in the school bathroom or drunken public urination can have you landed on the list. That's the kind of thing that needs to be fixed. But I personally would like communities to actually KNOW when a convicted rapist or pedophile moves into the neighborhood, considering that rape isn't exactly a one-time "Oops, sorry" crime. A person who commits sexual assault clearly has something very wrong and potentially dangerous with how they view other human beings.
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This is a case where a good-intentioned, if misguided law has been turned into a weapon to inflict extra punishment on people who have already legally paid their debt.
Or to make people aware that there are rapists/child molesters in their neighborhood and allow the police to keep tabs on them.
This reply makes me suspect that you didn't bother to watch the video clip I posted, in which a city councilman specifically says that the reason he's sponsoring "pocket parks" is to drive sex offenders from their homes.
Modified to add a source:
http://fairregistry.org/download/importantdocs/FAIR%20Public%20Brochure%203-2012.pdf
Which, when I click it, tells me I'm not allowed to access it.
My apologies; I didn't know it was blocked to non-members. I'll find ones that are more freely accessible.
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The problem with a sex offender registry is not its existence, but rather how easy it is to get on it. As Sirius said, even something like two underage kids being caught screwing in the school bathroom or drunken public urination can have you landed on the list. That's the kind of thing that needs to be fixed. But I personally would like communities to actually KNOW when a convicted rapist or pedophile moves into the neighborhood, considering that rape isn't exactly a one-time "Oops, sorry" crime. A person who commits sexual assault clearly has something very wrong and potentially dangerous with how they view other human beings.
Like I said, the relative ease with which one makes it onto the list (which I acknowledge is a bad thing) is a discussion for another thread. All in all I agree with your statement though.
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This is a case where a good-intentioned, if misguided law has been turned into a weapon to inflict extra punishment on people who have already legally paid their debt.
Or to make people aware that there are rapists/child molesters in their neighborhood and allow the police to keep tabs on them.
This reply makes me suspect that you didn't bother to watch the video clip I posted, in which a city councilman specifically says that the reason he's sponsoring "pocket parks" is to drive sex offenders from their homes.
Yes, you have one city councilman saying one thing. Is that now indicative of why we have a sex offender's registry in the first place?
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Some of the others had the charges dropped in exchange for testifying against the two accused.
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The problem with a sex offender registry is not its existence, but rather how easy it is to get on it. As Sirius said, even something like two underage kids being caught screwing in the school bathroom or drunken public urination can have you landed on the list. That's the kind of thing that needs to be fixed. But I personally would like communities to actually KNOW when a convicted rapist or pedophile moves into the neighborhood, considering that rape isn't exactly a one-time "Oops, sorry" crime. A person who commits sexual assault clearly has something very wrong and potentially dangerous with how they view other human beings.
Like I said, the relative ease with which one makes it onto the list (which I acknowledge is a bad thing) is a discussion for another thread. All in all I agree with your statement though.
Actually, it does fit the topic well: this is a case about two youths being convicted of rape, and a good discussion is exactly how far-reaching their punishment is and whether they deserve it.
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The problem with a sex offender registry is not its existence, but rather how easy it is to get on it. As Sirius said, even something like two underage kids being caught screwing in the school bathroom or drunken public urination can have you landed on the list. That's the kind of thing that needs to be fixed. But I personally would like communities to actually KNOW when a convicted rapist or pedophile moves into the neighborhood, considering that rape isn't exactly a one-time "Oops, sorry" crime. A person who commits sexual assault clearly has something very wrong and potentially dangerous with how they view other human beings.
Like I said, the relative ease with which one makes it onto the list (which I acknowledge is a bad thing) is a discussion for another thread. All in all I agree with your statement though.
Actually, it does fit the topic well: this is a case about two youths being convicted of rape, and a good discussion is exactly how far-reaching their punishment is and whether they deserve it.
But they don't have to register for urinating in public or some such nonsense--the have to for a genuine sex crime. Hence anything else just distracts from the subject at hand.
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CNN god has this to say to you (http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1333/05/1333058578298.jpg)
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Made a spinoff thread here (http://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=3795.0) for anyone who wants to discuss things.
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I had to follow the OP links. I honestly didn't remember what the hell Steubenville was until I did. Haha.
I dunno what to think about this because I'm a bit too lazy to read right now. I gotta relax for tomorrow. I'll probably add more when I care to pay attention to this.
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I had to follow the OP links. I honestly didn't remember what the hell Steubenville was until I did. Haha.
I dunno what to think about this because I'm a bit too lazy to read right now. I gotta relax for tomorrow. I'll probably add more when I care to pay attention to this.
Could I possibly ask that you stop doing this type of thing? Blowing off properly replying to something and shit like that? You've done it multiple times now and it's getting a little tiring.
On topic, I feel myself disgusted by the victim blaming. The fact that people are more concerned about the boys' lives than the victim's? Yeah, no.
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The only part that irks me about this is that there's a chance these twats could only spend one and two years respectively behind bars for what they did.
But these two getting stuck on the sex offender registry for life and their futures ruined?
(http://temeez.com/images/GrumpyCatGood.jpg)
Fuck 'em.
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The other things on the football team need to be ruined too. They were silent and supportive of those two disgusting things actions, thus, there need be a wider, sweeping penalty. Rename their team the Steubenville Rapists. Just a sign that no sports team deserves special privilege. If it drinks, it is punished same as others. I don't think football players should have any special treatment. I should have the ability to get the same jackets, no "players only" privileges. Those things...are disgusting, those Steubenville players.
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I had to follow the OP links. I honestly didn't remember what the hell Steubenville was until I did. Haha.
I dunno what to think about this because I'm a bit too lazy to read right now. I gotta relax for tomorrow. I'll probably add more when I care to pay attention to this.
Could I possibly ask that you stop doing this type of thing? Blowing off properly replying to something and shit like that? You've done it multiple times now and it's getting a little tiring.
On topic, I feel myself disgusted by the victim blaming. The fact that people are more concerned about the boys' lives than the victim's? Yeah, no.
Can it. I'm not just blowing stuff off. I'm just acknowledging stuff, admitting that I haven't taken the time to fully read the details, and said maybe I'll come back with a full reply after I have all the facts. Is that REALLY that bad? I don't think so.
Not all of us can keep up with everything in the news, you know.
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Not everyone's going to be interested in a stream of consciousness play by play of what you don't care about B.
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I just thought this should be seen because this crime freaks me the fuck out. This tumblr posts the ravings of morally and intellectually retarded teens who defended the attackers who claimed innocence but left a long electronic trail of their guilt.
http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/45608534736/the-news-out-of-steubenville-today-is-a-small (http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/45608534736/the-news-out-of-steubenville-today-is-a-small)
If you need some background this is a good place to start: http://www.salon.com/2013/03/18/four_lessons_from_steubenville/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/03/18/four_lessons_from_steubenville/)
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Won't somebody PLEASE think of the rapists?
EDIT: And here's CNN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvUdyNko8LQ
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This is also relevant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWLJZw9Ws-g
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(http://media.tumblr.com/87a08a2493b0aacd50b79d93aa434147/tumblr_inline_mjttxa4NzR1qawfnh.png)
She was unconscious!
And this was just one of so many posts with a similar message. What the hell is wrong with these people?
(http://media.tumblr.com/bafbb12049490703b47eeb68f1b8558c/tumblr_inline_mjttyzPbYu1qawfnh.png)
Hands up. How many here would rape an unconscious girl and film the event?
(http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/rage/grand/rage-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-334.gif)
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What's worrying me is, I have this horrible suspicion that, in a year's time, these two will be released to some sort of 'Welcome Home' party, with all those that conspired with them going on about what great guys they are....
I really don't want that to happen, but I've seen it far too often with criminals.
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What's worrying me is, I have this horrible suspicion that, in a year's time, these two will be released to some sort of 'Welcome Home' party, with all those that conspired with them going on about what great guys they are....
I really don't want that to happen, but I've seen it far too often with criminals.
Hopefully by that point it won't just be the two of them, and more people will get what they deserve thanks to the Ohio AG.
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Here's another article on it but that's all I can muster for now--the sympathy these two are receiving disgusts me:
http://jezebel.com/5991095/the-egregious-awful-and-downright-wrong-reactions-to-the-steubenville-rape-trial-verdict (http://jezebel.com/5991095/the-egregious-awful-and-downright-wrong-reactions-to-the-steubenville-rape-trial-verdict)
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^^ I am a fucking sociopath and I consider that kind of act reprehensible and disgusting beyond all reason. So...no, I did not do what "most people would".
So yeah, even I have standards.
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But... but... but... now they'll never get to play college football and play in bowl games and get an NFL contract and... and... their life is over! OVER!
Argh this sort of shit disgusts me.
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I thought it was bad enough that the rape happened, but to see people actually defending the rapists... arg!
To quote AM: "Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate."
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(http://media.tumblr.com/87a08a2493b0aacd50b79d93aa434147/tumblr_inline_mjttxa4NzR1qawfnh.png)
She was unconscious!
And this was just one of so many posts with a similar message. What the hell is wrong with these people?
(http://media.tumblr.com/bafbb12049490703b47eeb68f1b8558c/tumblr_inline_mjttyzPbYu1qawfnh.png)
Hands up. How many here would rape an unconscious girl and film the event?
(http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/rage/grand/rage-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-334.gif)
Makes me so angry, I bet they wouldn't be saying this if it had happened to a guy.
Also, even if you take the view that she was just a drunken slut asking for it, watersports aren't exactly a common kink.
The fact that they pissed on her makes it pretty fucking clear that they were trying to degrade and humiliate her, as opposed to just wanting sex and thinking she would be ok with it.
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I had to follow the OP links. I honestly didn't remember what the hell Steubenville was until I did. Haha.
I dunno what to think about this because I'm a bit too lazy to read right now. I gotta relax for tomorrow. I'll probably add more when I care to pay attention to this.
Could I possibly ask that you stop doing this type of thing? Blowing off properly replying to something and shit like that? You've done it multiple times now and it's getting a little tiring.
On topic, I feel myself disgusted by the victim blaming. The fact that people are more concerned about the boys' lives than the victim's? Yeah, no.
Can it. I'm not just blowing stuff off. I'm just acknowledging stuff, admitting that I haven't taken the time to fully read the details, and said maybe I'll come back with a full reply after I have all the facts. Is that REALLY that bad? I don't think so.
Not all of us can keep up with everything in the news, you know.
The problem isn't that you're taking the time to look it over and read. Take all the time you like. We just don't need you to tell us so. If you don't have anything to say yet, just don't post. We'll get the idea, and the thread will still be here when you get back.
I'm pretty disgusted with the media reaction to the case. Way too much focus on the plight of the rapists, not nearly enough on the girl. I'm especially disgusted by CNN. I'd expect this sort of shit from Fox, but I'd thought CNN was at least a little better than this.
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I thought it was bad enough that the rape happened, but to see people actually defending the rapists... arg!
To quote AM: "Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate."
Don't quote AM unless you plan on turning these rape sympathizers into shapeless, faceless, immortal gelatinous blobs.
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I thought it was bad enough that the rape happened, but to see people actually defending the rapists... arg!
To quote AM: "Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate."
Don't quote AM unless you plan on turning these rape sympathizers into shapeless, faceless, immortal gelatinous blobs.
You say that as if it is a problem.
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I thought it was bad enough that the rape happened, but to see people actually defending the rapists... arg!
To quote AM: "Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate."
Don't quote AM unless you plan on turning these rape sympathizers into shapeless, faceless, immortal gelatinous blobs.
Actually, that sounds like a pretty good punishment for them
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On pretty much any article on this the comments are really terrible... I mean they usually are but damn, these just make my blood boil.
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I hate all the people saying she cried rape... statistically that is extremely rare, and most women don't even report their rape....
JFEOSIHFEIJFFUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKK
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I had to follow the OP links. I honestly didn't remember what the hell Steubenville was until I did. Haha.
I dunno what to think about this because I'm a bit too lazy to read right now. I gotta relax for tomorrow. I'll probably add more when I care to pay attention to this.
Could I possibly ask that you stop doing this type of thing? Blowing off properly replying to something and shit like that? You've done it multiple times now and it's getting a little tiring.
On topic, I feel myself disgusted by the victim blaming. The fact that people are more concerned about the boys' lives than the victim's? Yeah, no.
Can it. I'm not just blowing stuff off. I'm just acknowledging stuff, admitting that I haven't taken the time to fully read the details, and said maybe I'll come back with a full reply after I have all the facts. Is that REALLY that bad? I don't think so.
Not all of us can keep up with everything in the news, you know.
The problem isn't that you're taking the time to look it over and read. Take all the time you like. We just don't need you to tell us so. If you don't have anything to say yet, just don't post. We'll get the idea, and the thread will still be here when you get back.
I'm pretty disgusted with the media reaction to the case. Way too much focus on the plight of the rapists, not nearly enough on the girl. I'm especially disgusted by CNN. I'd expect this sort of shit from Fox, but I'd thought CNN was at least a little better than this.
Well said on all counts, Jack.
I will never get the mentality that the victim doesn't matter. That the perpetrators are the bigger victims. I'm not asking for blood, I'm just asking that they be treated like the criminals they are.
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Steubenville topics have been merged into this thread
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Maybe it's just me being oblivious, but what's going on these days? There seems to be a LOT more rape apology and blaming the victim mentality than their used to be. For a while it seemed to be going the right way, now all of a sudden it seems to me that suddenly a bunch of nuts are jumping out of the ether defending, supporting, and joking about rape.
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Maybe it's just me being oblivious, but what's going on these days? There seems to be a LOT more rape apology and blaming the victim mentality than their used to be. For a while it seemed to be going the right way, now all of a sudden it seems to me that suddenly a bunch of nuts are jumping out of the ether defending, supporting, and joking about rape.
It's been going on for a long time. The only difference between this and a whole ton of other cases is that this one got more media coverage, particularly in regards to the town's attempts to cover up the crime.
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Maybe it's just me being oblivious, but what's going on these days? There seems to be a LOT more rape apology and blaming the victim mentality than their used to be. For a while it seemed to be going the right way, now all of a sudden it seems to me that suddenly a bunch of nuts are jumping out of the ether defending, supporting, and joking about rape.
It's been going on for a long time. The only difference between this and a whole ton of other cases is that this one got more media coverage, particularly in regards to the town's attempts to cover up the crime.
It probably also has to do with how people are slowly starting to understand rape. Also, many feminists today seem to focus on rape, which is good (not that other issues aren't important).
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Maybe it's just me being oblivious, but what's going on these days? There seems to be a LOT more rape apology and blaming the victim mentality than their used to be. For a while it seemed to be going the right way, now all of a sudden it seems to me that suddenly a bunch of nuts are jumping out of the ether defending, supporting, and joking about rape.
Other reasons:
1. Trolls
2. With easy access to the internet/social media prevalence, it is easy for assholes to spread their message when in the past, they couldn't.
3. Misogyny
4. Refusal to blame a member of a group one is also a member of, no matter how general
5. Obsession with "masculinity"
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I guess you all do have a lot of points. Especially the fact that social media and the internet has made it easier for the assholes to get all the grease they want for their squeaky wheels.
It was getting better before the social media boom.
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Maybe it's just me being oblivious, but what's going on these days? There seems to be a LOT more rape apology and blaming the victim mentality than their used to be. For a while it seemed to be going the right way, now all of a sudden it seems to me that suddenly a bunch of nuts are jumping out of the ether defending, supporting, and joking about rape.
Other reasons:
1. Trolls
2. With easy access to the internet/social media prevalence, it is easy for assholes to spread their message when in the past, they couldn't.
3. Misogyny
4. Refusal to blame a member of a group one is also a member of, no matter how general
5. Obsession with "masculinity"
6. The inane belief, propagated by the media, that sports types can do no wrong.
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I guess you all do have a lot of points. Especially the fact that social media and the internet has made it easier for the assholes to get all the grease they want for their squeaky wheels.
It was getting better before the social media boom.
The only difference between now and then is that now it's a lot easier to hear the stupid.
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CNN, Fox News and MSNBC aired the underage victim's name. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/fox-news-steubenville-rape-victim_n_2901635.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)
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CNN, Fox News and MSNBC aired the underage victim's name. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/fox-news-steubenville-rape-victim_n_2901635.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)
And she's apparently getting death threats now, or at least that's what I'm hearing on various tumblr posts.
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I thought it was bad enough that the rape happened, but to see people actually defending the rapists... arg!
To quote AM: "Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate."
Don't quote AM unless you plan on turning these rape sympathizers into shapeless, faceless, immortal gelatinous blobs.
Not until they start killing each other just to escape your torment.
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CNN, Fox News and MSNBC aired the underage victim's name. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/fox-news-steubenville-rape-victim_n_2901635.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)
And she's apparently getting death threats now, or at least that's what I'm hearing on various tumblr posts.
WTF! Isn't it illegal to broadcast rape victims names?
I'm assuming they wouldn't have had her permission.
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CNN, Fox News and MSNBC aired the underage victim's name. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/fox-news-steubenville-rape-victim_n_2901635.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)
And she's apparently getting death threats now, or at least that's what I'm hearing on various tumblr posts.
WTF! Isn't it illegal to broadcast rape victims names?
I'm assuming they wouldn't have had her permission.
No permission was involved; the victim was addressed by name in court and three major news networks failed to censor it.
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CNN, Fox News and MSNBC aired the underage victim's name. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/fox-news-steubenville-rape-victim_n_2901635.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)
And she's apparently getting death threats now, or at least that's what I'm hearing on various tumblr posts.
WTF! Isn't it illegal to broadcast rape victims names?
I'm assuming they wouldn't have had her permission.
No permission was involved; the victim was addressed by name in court and three major news networks failed to censor it.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to put any minor's name in the public media without the parents' or guardians' express consent.
Media, you dun goofed this time, and hard.
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You know what? All the media outlets sucked here. (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/18/1732701/media-steubenville/)
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It is indeed against the law to release minors' names like this. Great. Good job, news.
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CNN, Fox News and MSNBC aired the underage victim's name. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/fox-news-steubenville-rape-victim_n_2901635.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)
Oh look, it's another game of "How Low Can We Go", by the media.
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CNN, Fox News and MSNBC aired the underage victim's name. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/fox-news-steubenville-rape-victim_n_2901635.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)
Oh look, it's another game of "How Low Can We Go", by the media.
Bloody low, if the phone-hacking scandal is any judge.
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She was unconscious!
And this was just one of so many posts with a similar message. What the hell is wrong with these people?
I seriously want to know how this fucking dude is going to say his post was taken out of context. That seems to be the universal excuse for almost anything horrible said in public. Seriously, someone try...like this is the FOX News game, I am too angry to try.
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I bet they'll cover their ass with "Free speech!" when the family threatens to sue.
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I saw this article on my tumblr dash, (http://jennytrout.blogspot.com/2013/03/i-didnt-know-exactly-what-rape-was.html?zx=472a7f6a6f7167c6) which talks about this case and theorizes why shit like this happens.
The comments at the bottom (as of writing this) start to go into "hey, quit alienating us guys" territory, but this one struck a real sour note with me:
You know it's very sad when you, Shadow Knight, are way more insightful and an interesting and productive read than the article writer's comment.
Just for the record, I'm doing my best.
My sister was raped years ago and literally the only thing that got her out of it was to tell her to get out of it, that it wasn't the horrible thing society told her it was, that she was way more okay than society told her to be after such a you-won't-ever-recover event.
In the end, she wasn't physically traumatized, and the only way to get through it is to believe, to know, that "it wasn't that bad", not as bad as losing a limb, or a sense, certainly not as bad as society told her to feel.
To me, this smacks of, "rape is only bad because the victim makes it bad, and if they just stop making a big deal out of it, they'll get over it and move on without any problems." Hey rape victims, what happened to you wasn't that horrible! Don't be a victim of society, which tells you this is a horrible crime! Just buck up and get over it, and if you can't, then it's you're problem! If you're not physically traumatized, than it doesn't count! All that mental and emotional trauma is in your head, so it's not real! Rape isn't a big deal, guys! Rape isn't a big deal!
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My parents think Anoymous should not have released the pics. My counter is sadly tehre was no way
oh and fuck you media.
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I saw this article on my tumblr dash, (http://jennytrout.blogspot.com/2013/03/i-didnt-know-exactly-what-rape-was.html?zx=472a7f6a6f7167c6) which talks about this case and theorizes why shit like this happens.
The comments at the bottom (as of writing this) start to go into "hey, quit alienating us guys" territory, but this one struck a real sour note with me:
You know it's very sad when you, Shadow Knight, are way more insightful and an interesting and productive read than the article writer's comment.
Just for the record, I'm doing my best.
My sister was raped years ago and literally the only thing that got her out of it was to tell her to get out of it, that it wasn't the horrible thing society told her it was, that she was way more okay than society told her to be after such a you-won't-ever-recover event.
In the end, she wasn't physically traumatized, and the only way to get through it is to believe, to know, that "it wasn't that bad", not as bad as losing a limb, or a sense, certainly not as bad as society told her to feel.
To me, this smacks of, "rape is only bad because the victim makes it bad, and if they just stop making a big deal out of it, they'll get over it and move on without any problems." Hey rape victims, what happened to you wasn't that horrible! Don't be a victim of society, which tells you this is a horrible crime! Just buck up and get over it, and if you can't, then it's you're problem! If you're not physically traumatized, than it doesn't count! All that mental and emotional trauma is in your head, so it's not real! Rape isn't a big deal, guys! Rape isn't a big deal!
If I were that person's sister I would have slapped them.
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Oh, hey, an even more disgusting post:
Just leaving that out there for you ladies.
- If you forget to close your house, and somebody introduces and steals you, whose fault is it?
-If you wander thoughtlessly into a drug cartel hideout and get murdered, whose fault is it?
- If you run into a forest for fun and get eaten by a bear, whose fault is it?
The good answer being: WHO THE FUCK CARES. Stop trying to pin down the blame, it's petty and pointless, judge the perpetrators, and stop wasting your time and your mental health on moronic questions.
Just take care of yourselves. Jesus, is that so hard?
"WHY DO WOMEN THINK MEN ARE PIGS?!" I imagine this frustrated line has crossed this guy's mind at least once.
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It's days like this I would gladly die to see humanity wiped out...
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Oh, hey, an even more disgusting post:
Just leaving that out there for you ladies.
- If you forget to close your house, and somebody introduces and steals you, whose fault is it?
-If you wander thoughtlessly into a drug cartel hideout and get murdered, whose fault is it?
- If you run into a forest for fun and get eaten by a bear, whose fault is it?
The good answer being: WHO THE FUCK CARES. Stop trying to pin down the blame, it's petty and pointless, judge the perpetrators, and stop wasting your time and your mental health on moronic questions.
Just take care of yourselves. Jesus, is that so hard?
"WHY DO WOMEN THINK MEN ARE PIGS?!" I imagine this frustrated line has crossed this guy's mind at least once.
Well I don't know if a bear is "guilty of a murder" when it eats you, but in the other cases it is still the fault of the thief/killer.
The victim may have done their job easier for them but this does not mean that robbery/murder is ok or that the thief/killer would not be just as guilty as if they had broken into your home to do it.
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Wow, I'm wondering if the antagonistic anonymous commenter in that article is the same person, as he talks a lot about "not caring about what society thinks." In one post he pretty much boasts about how people think he's an asshole and doesn't care. If he's the same guy with the sister, I sincerely feel terrible for her having to confide in this asshole for her ordeal, considering he pretty much implied that he's the one who made her believe that "rape wasn't that bad." It makes me wonder how many times he had to tell her that before she started believing it. It makes me wonder if she ever really "got out of it," or just repressed it when her family made it clear that he didn't think it was important, so neither should she. This philosophy desensitizes rape.
Btw, nice bit of irony there. "Don't feel traumatized about what happened. That's just what society tells you to feel. Instead, just keep repeating that it's not that bad, because that's what I want you to feel." I hope to god this prick's a troll (though again, that's assuming it's the same anon).
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(http://www.trolino.com/image?id=31769)
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Oh, hey, an even more disgusting post:
Just leaving that out there for you ladies.
- If you forget to close your house, and somebody introduces and steals you, whose fault is it?
-If you wander thoughtlessly into a drug cartel hideout and get murdered, whose fault is it?
- If you run into a forest for fun and get eaten by a bear, whose fault is it?
The good answer being: WHO THE FUCK CARES. Stop trying to pin down the blame, it's petty and pointless, judge the perpetrators, and stop wasting your time and your mental health on moronic questions.
Just take care of yourselves. Jesus, is that so hard?
"WHY DO WOMEN THINK MEN ARE PIGS?!" I imagine this frustrated line has crossed this guy's mind at least once.
For the love of fuck.
If someone doesn't secure something, doesn't mean you're right to steal it. Makes it less of a surprise, but you are still an asshole. Good to remember when people are making arguments about DRM and piracy actually.
If someone 'wanders' into a someplace, someone still has to shoot them for them to die. Those guys, still assholes. Just because locals know they're assholes, does not make it anyone else's fault they are assholes.
If you're dumb enough to be afraid of forests because of bears I'm going to tie you to a tree and leave you to see if exposure kills you before the wild life does. And then I'd be an asshole. I would however start up a dead pool for just what does kill him, squirrels start at 20:1.
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The problem with the "I don't keep my house unlocked" comparison is that rape is nothing like that. If a woman was to "protect" herself from rape, she wouldn't go to parties, wouldn't have a boyfriend ever, she would try to look less vulnerable(since rapists look for that instead of just sexiness), and even then she wouldn't be safe from rape. Even the motives are different. People steal for simple reasons, which is basically because shit is expensive, so it's nice to get it free. A stolen object works just as well as a bought one. However sex isn't like that, since having consensual sex is nothing like rape. Plus it's not exactly easier to rape someone.
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http://illsevenyournine.tumblr.com/post/45704064163/those-poor-boys-lives-will-be-ruined-because-of
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Ok, I am starting to believe that there really is something called "rape culture."
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The victim is getting death threats?! What the hell? At least the sheriff took this seriously.
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Ok, I am starting to believe that there really is something called "rape culture."
And I certainly hope more people come to that realization, especially in light of this case.
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Ashleigh Banfield is interviewing the Ohio AG about the death threats, and Banfield is talking about the attitudes of "kids today"--she might want to look at her own network before she just blames the kids.
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I feel horrible for the girl. I mean most people do... but now that I'm seeing all these people feeling bad for the rapists, I can't imagine how she must feel...
Also, fuck the "boys will be boys" attitude. What kind of people do this? It has nothing to do with masculinity or hormones, it's just psycho...
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I feel horrible for the girl. I mean most people do... but now that I'm seeing all these people feeling bad for the rapists, I can't imagine how she must feel...
Also, fuck the "boys will be boys" attitude. What kind of people do this? It has nothing to do with masculinity or hormones, it's just psycho...
And their apologies were just disgusting. Trent mays said this:
"I would truly like to apologize to [redacted], her family, my family and the community. No picture should have been sent around, let alone even taken."
Or maybe you shouldn't have raped, urinated on, photographed and mocked a woman. I mean, yes, taking pictures was bad but it's like next to last on the list of shit they shouldn't have done.
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Jesus christ, that's a half-assed apology if I've ever seen one. It comes off as "sorry we got caught." Fucking scumbags.
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There is definately a rape culture look at Madcat's hell hole a guy got gangraped in and boys will be boys
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Is it wrong that I want them spend their sentences amongst the general population wing of the prison?
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Yeah let's shy away from that eh?
Also I bet dollars to donuts this isn't the first time they've done something like this. Only the girl was local and knew if she pressed charges her life would be essentially over.
Ironbite-hope this causes other people to step up and raise their voices agains these monsters.
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Yeah let's shy away from that eh?
Also I bet dollars to donuts this isn't the first time they've done something like this. Only the girl was local and knew if she pressed charges her life would be essentially over.
Ironbite-hope this causes other people to step up and raise their voices agains these monsters.
There's apparently another girl come forward to say it happened to her and she got the same treatment from the 'Police'. I use the word 'Police' loosely in this case.
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Is it wrong that I want them spend their sentences amongst the general population wing of the prison?
I just wished that they would have been tried as adults, and gotten a far harsher sentence.
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Jesus christ, that's a half-assed apology if I've ever seen one. It comes off as "sorry we got caught." Fucking scumbags.
Actually Ma'lik Richmond's apology was even better:
"I had not intended to do anything like this. I’m sorry to put you through this."
See? He didn't intend to do anything like that. I mean, hasn't anyone else just tripped, fallen and accidentally raped someone? God, I hate it when that happens...
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Yeah let's shy away from that eh?
Also I bet dollars to donuts this isn't the first time they've done something like this. Only the girl was local and knew if she pressed charges her life would be essentially over.
Ironbite-hope this causes other people to step up and raise their voices agains these monsters.
I don't think scotsgit meant what you think he meant.
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Jesus christ, that's a half-assed apology if I've ever seen one. It comes off as "sorry we got caught." Fucking scumbags.
Actually Ma'lik Richmond's apology was even better:
"I had not intended to do anything like this. I’m sorry to put you through this."
See? He didn't intend to do anything like that. I mean, hasn't anyone else just tripped, fallen and accidentally raped someone? God, I hate it when that happens...
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Me too! I thought I was the only person who did that. :-[
Don't you just hate it as well when you forget to screen lock your phone and you end up accidently taking pictures and tweeting about it.
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Yeah let's shy away from that eh?
Also I bet dollars to donuts this isn't the first time they've done something like this. Only the girl was local and knew if she pressed charges her life would be essentially over.
Ironbite-hope this causes other people to step up and raise their voices agains these monsters.
I don't think scotsgit meant what you think he meant.
Yeah, I didn't mean I want them raped, more introduced to the fact that they're not the tough guys they think they are.
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Okay, take two.
What I should have done the first time is asked for more exposition. I got that in IRC yesterday. Now, onto my thoughts.
I think this whole "coverup" business speaks about a larger problem in our society. It's not just this town that messed up. The Catholic Church and the Jewish Orthodoxy have problems with abuse too, although it's with boys. Society really needs to learn how to handle these kinds of problems.
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Okay, take two.
What I should have done the first time is asked for more exposition. I got that in IRC yesterday. Now, onto my thoughts.
I think this whole "coverup" business speaks about a larger problem in our society. It's not just this town that messed up. The Catholic Church and the Jewish Orthodoxy have problems with abuse too, although it's with boys. Society really needs to learn how to handle these kinds of problems.
Oh, but see, after the steel mill closed, a half decent high school football team is the only thing this town has left. You can't take that away from them just because of one itty bitty case of gang rape. Did not a wise man once say that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
Besides, it's not like locking up their star players is going to magically un-rape the girl, so what's the bloody point?
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To the "news" commentators lamenting how sad it is that these rapists' lives are ruined, and to the people harassing the victim, and to the people blaming the victim and to the rape apologists, I have but one thing to say:
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Okay, take two.
What I should have done the first time is asked for more exposition. I got that in IRC yesterday. Now, onto my thoughts.
I think this whole "coverup" business speaks about a larger problem in our society. It's not just this town that messed up. The Catholic Church and the Jewish Orthodoxy have problems with abuse too, although it's with boys. Society really needs to learn how to handle these kinds of problems.
Oh, but see, after the steel mill closed, a half decent high school football team is the only thing this town has left. You can't take that away from them just because of one itty bitty case of gang rape. Did not a wise man once say that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
Besides, it's not like locking up their star players is going to magically un-rape the girl, so what's the bloody point?
And everybody knows that if you play sports you can do no wrong: George Best may have been an alcoholic who beat up his wife, but he scored goals so that apparently makes everything OK. Hell, premier league footballers can act really despicably towards women, but if the goals keep coming in, then the fans and the pundits think that they're the greatest people in the world.
Seriously, when the fuck is are these parts of society going to work out that the ability to kick, throw or do whatever to a ball does not give someone a free pass to act like a total and utter cunt?
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If I were another school in the area, I'd refuse to play with Steubenville.
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Have the media outlets released any press statements regarding the sympathetic spin to the rapists and the public outcry?
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It does not matter to me what the many, in terms of the town, need. Their entire football team was complicit, they were silent supporters, and not a one has condemned the actions of his team mates.
If Steubenville loses its football team, it loses its football team. Silent supporters need to be punished too.
Society needs to be taught, too, that your throw and whatever average does not make you exempt from crimes. We need to punish more of our young football players for drinking while being underage, for doing what they usually do. They must be taught they CANNOT do what they usually do.
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It does not matter to me what the many, in terms of the town, need. Their entire football team was complicit, they were silent supporters, and not a one has condemned the actions of his team mates.
If Steubenville loses its football team, it loses its football team. Silent supporters need to be punished too.
Society needs to be taught, too, that your throw and whatever average does not make you exempt from crimes. We need to punish more of our young football players for drinking while being underage, for doing what they usually do. They must be taught they CANNOT do what they usually do.
So while I agree in principle that being good at sports shouldn't make you somehow exempt from criminal punishment, would this apply equally to every underage person caught drinking? It seems just as unfair to punish the sports stars disproportionately harshly as it does to punish them disproportionately lightly.
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It does not matter to me what the many, in terms of the town, need. Their entire football team was complicit, they were silent supporters, and not a one has condemned the actions of his team mates.
If Steubenville loses its football team, it loses its football team. Silent supporters need to be punished too.
Society needs to be taught, too, that your throw and whatever average does not make you exempt from crimes. We need to punish more of our young football players for drinking while being underage, for doing what they usually do. They must be taught they CANNOT do what they usually do.
So while I agree in principle that being good at sports shouldn't make you somehow exempt from criminal punishment, would this apply equally to every underage person caught drinking? It seems just as unfair to punish the sports stars disproportionately harshly as it does to punish them disproportionately lightly.
I don't see underage drinking anywhere near as serious as rape. As someone once said "Let the punishment fit the crime". If that means a harsher sentence for these two, so be it.
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It does not matter to me what the many, in terms of the town, need. Their entire football team was complicit, they were silent supporters, and not a one has condemned the actions of his team mates.
If Steubenville loses its football team, it loses its football team. Silent supporters need to be punished too.
Society needs to be taught, too, that your throw and whatever average does not make you exempt from crimes. We need to punish more of our young football players for drinking while being underage, for doing what they usually do. They must be taught they CANNOT do what they usually do.
So while I agree in principle that being good at sports shouldn't make you somehow exempt from criminal punishment, would this apply equally to every underage person caught drinking? It seems just as unfair to punish the sports stars disproportionately harshly as it does to punish them disproportionately lightly.
I don't see underage drinking anywhere near as serious as rape. As someone once said "Let the punishment fit the crime". If that means a harsher sentence for these two, so be it.
That's not what I'm asking: should underage drinking by sports stars be itself punished more harshly than underage drinking by others (assuming everything else is equal)?
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It does not matter to me what the many, in terms of the town, need. Their entire football team was complicit, they were silent supporters, and not a one has condemned the actions of his team mates.
If Steubenville loses its football team, it loses its football team. Silent supporters need to be punished too.
Society needs to be taught, too, that your throw and whatever average does not make you exempt from crimes. We need to punish more of our young football players for drinking while being underage, for doing what they usually do. They must be taught they CANNOT do what they usually do.
So while I agree in principle that being good at sports shouldn't make you somehow exempt from criminal punishment, would this apply equally to every underage person caught drinking? It seems just as unfair to punish the sports stars disproportionately harshly as it does to punish them disproportionately lightly.
I don't see underage drinking anywhere near as serious as rape. As someone once said "Let the punishment fit the crime". If that means a harsher sentence for these two, so be it.
That's not what I'm asking: should underage drinking by sports stars be itself punished more harshly than underage drinking by others (assuming everything else is equal)?
Nope, but that's not even applicable here.
The point is that these people need to be taken off their pedestals and treated like anyone else.
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I don't think underage drinking should even be a crime (I know, then it wouldn't be underage, but whatever).
This case is pretty black and white, I think. There is no "he said she said" and the boys even plead guilty. There is no reason to defend their actions whether the girl was drunk or not.
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Wait?! Is underage drinking illegal in USA? Usually it is just bying alcohol while minor, or selling alcohol to minors that is illegal. At least in Finland I don't think possession is illegal. (Cops will take it away and notify your parents though.)
That is why parents can give their kids a taste of alcohol so that they can get their first experience to it in a "controlled enviroment" rather than boozing out in some party.
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Wait?! Is underage drinking illegal in USA? Usually it is just bying alcohol while minor, or selling alcohol to minors that is illegal. At least in Finland I don't think possession is illegal. (Cops will take it away and notify your parents though.)
That is why parents can give their kids a taste of alcohol so that they can get their first experience to it in a "controlled enviroment" rather than boozing out in some party.
Serving is illegal. There may be some provisions for parents serving, but if you're not the legal guardian I do believe you're quite fucked when the cops show up. Not entirely sure on possession, but I do believe it can get you into some kind of trouble.
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Wait?! Is underage drinking illegal in USA? Usually it is just bying alcohol while minor, or selling alcohol to minors that is illegal. At least in Finland I don't think possession is illegal. (Cops will take it away and notify your parents though.)
That is why parents can give their kids a taste of alcohol so that they can get their first experience to it in a "controlled enviroment" rather than boozing out in some party.
Serving is illegal. There may be some provisions for parents serving, but if you're not the legal guardian I do believe you're quite fucked when the cops show up. Not entirely sure on possession, but I do believe it can get you into some kind of trouble.
Yeah, I do believe that if you're at home and like your dad gives you A beer to drink or something like that, yeah, of course you're not going to get in trouble. But you can definitely get in trouble if you're even AT a party where there's underage drinking going on, even if you weren't drinking.
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Underage drinking was just a point I made as an example of principle, as one of those small things football players are let do, when they shouldn't be allowed that privilege unless its afforded in the same way to everyone.
The fact is, we give far too much of a pedestal and too much of a free ride to the sports stars. Its time they start losing some of their demi-god status among our society.
It lets them think bullying people is okay, it lets them think they can get away with everything. Its a damn dangerous attitude to have. Because then you get cases like Steubenville, you get cases where football team members bully gay teens into suicide, and you get an entitled culture in the NFL who feels they can do no wrong.
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Underage drinking is pretty typical in a high school anyways; it ain't just the football players who get away with it. Very few administrators want to go to the trouble of stamping it out and the cops usually won't get involved unless they're major hardasses or it looks like the party/kids are going to get too out of control, so it tends to slide in most places.
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AW hell, I just feel like stirring the pot for some reason.
Heroes are held to a higher standard so we should punish them more severely when they fuck up. They are role models for the rest of us and if they can't be an example they should serve as a warning.
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AW hell, I just feel like stirring the pot for some reason.
Heroes are held to a higher standard so we should punish them more severely when they fuck up. They are role models for the rest of us and if they can't be an example they should serve as a warning.
So how do you classify a "hero"?
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Wait?! Is underage drinking illegal in USA? Usually it is just bying alcohol while minor, or selling alcohol to minors that is illegal. At least in Finland I don't think possession is illegal. (Cops will take it away and notify your parents though.)
That is why parents can give their kids a taste of alcohol so that they can get their first experience to it in a "controlled enviroment" rather than boozing out in some party.
Serving is illegal. There may be some provisions for parents serving, but if you're not the legal guardian I do believe you're quite fucked when the cops show up. Not entirely sure on possession, but I do believe it can get you into some kind of trouble.
It also depends on which state you're living in. I looked up Indiana, and it's completely illegal here. In some states, however, minors can drink if supervised by a guardian.
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AW hell, I just feel like stirring the pot for some reason.
Heroes are held to a higher standard so we should punish them more severely when they fuck up. They are role models for the rest of us and if they can't be an example they should serve as a warning.
So how do you classify a "hero"?
Apparently being able to toss a pointy ball around in a high school league ranks high enough on the ranks of heroes for some towns people to abandon ethics in an attempt to protect them.
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Wait?! Is underage drinking illegal in USA? Usually it is just bying alcohol while minor, or selling alcohol to minors that is illegal. At least in Finland I don't think possession is illegal. (Cops will take it away and notify your parents though.)
That is why parents can give their kids a taste of alcohol so that they can get their first experience to it in a "controlled enviroment" rather than boozing out in some party.
Serving is illegal. There may be some provisions for parents serving, but if you're not the legal guardian I do believe you're quite fucked when the cops show up. Not entirely sure on possession, but I do believe it can get you into some kind of trouble.
It also depends on which state you're living in. I looked up Indiana, and it's completely illegal here. In some states, however, minors can drink if supervised by a guardian.
Here's a state-by-state breakdown of underage drinking laws. (http://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002591#chart2)
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Well, to get back on topic, as that was just an example of principle.
My point is, people held high by society should suffer the steepest, most painful falls. As a lesson, saying that idea football star does something wrong, its still severely wrong.
These types of people deserve no protection from the consequences of their own actions.
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Well, to get back on topic, as that was just an example of principle.
My point is, people held high by society should suffer the steepest, most painful falls. As a lesson, saying that idea football star does something wrong, its still severely wrong.
These types of people deserve no protection from the consequences of their own actions.
Is this supposed to be regulated, or just desired by society? There's a big difference between wanting someone to suffer equally as others would and wanting them to suffer more just because they're held in high esteem. I plan on climbing the ladder in my acting career, and I sure as shit don't want people wishing to see me given harsher punishment than I would now just because of fame.
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The only part that irks me about this is that there's a chance these twats could only spend one and two years respectively behind bars for what they did.
But these two getting stuck on the sex offender registry for life and their futures ruined?
(http://temeez.com/images/GrumpyCatGood.jpg)
Fuck 'em.
Just for you:
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I wholeheartedly agree with the good Mr. (Miss?) Grumpy Cat.
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