Study about the link between Racism and Gun Ownership

[Witchyjoshy]

Because doing the same action over and over again and expecting results is the definition of insanity, that's why.

No one's afraid.  We're tired of the polarizing nature of the issue.  We're tired of people demanding people file into sides.

We're just tired.  And quite frankly, some people are just way too eager to start flame wars and start labeling people over subjects like this.

[MadCatTLX]

I don't feel like arguing in this thread as I've said my opinion multiple times before. However, I will say I'm going to a huge gun show this weekend (Yes, Ill post anything cool that I buy) and there are usually a couple people with booths selling all manner of books. These range from user manuals on common models of guns, general maintenance manuals, price guides, hunting books, camping  and wilderness survival, and sometimes "controversial" books like the Anarchist Cookbook. The latter are almost certainly for dipshit teenagers who think that thing is cool, as anyone with a brain knows not to listen to a damn thing it says. A couple of the book sellers occasionally have copies of "The Turner Diaries". I have a feeling this is also because it sells good because it's considered "controversial" and taboo. Controversial always sells shit. Regardless, I never buy from those vendors.

I want to be clear, these kind of things are far from the norm. Most vendors are like the guy that sells pocket knives at the flea market. There's also the same amount of shitty, low quality, overpriced knives for sale.

Last year I was talking to one of the vendors and he said earlier that morning some dipshit came in wearing a shirt saying that said " I fucking did meth" or  something. He was promptly kicked out.

Let's see, last years purchases included two books (one of which turned out to be shit), two zombie shelter signs, a replica fallout shelter sign, a lock pick set, and some Zombie Response Team patches for a jacket. This year I'm hoping to get even more stuff and me and my friend usually spend most of the day walking the entire event. I like going about as much as the state fair (also held at the same location).

My point I guess is that although there a a hand full of crazies(out of 1000+ vendors), it is not the circus of insane shit I've heard people say it is, nor is there any of that crazy shit you heard about sold. There are rocket launchers, at least it you count high quality non-functional models. There's tank shells, but they're dummies made of wood and over 60 years old (Yes, I want one).

[Ironchew]

Because doing the same action over and over again and expecting results is the definition of insanity, that's why.

The insanity argument can apply to anything, and is therefore meaningless.

No one's afraid.  We're tired of the polarizing nature of the issue.  We're tired of people demanding people file into sides.

The "controversy" is between second amendment fundies and everybody else. Any time a discussion is made in a public forum, the fundies try to shout everyone else down. Why not let people say what they're going to say?

We're just tired.  And quite frankly, some people are just way too eager to start flame wars and start labeling people over subjects like this.

I don't care if it's in Flame and Burn or how many people have their feelings hurt as long as there's a debate.

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

So what the study is suggesting is not that most gun owners are racist but rather racists are more likely than the average person to own guns?

[Damen]

I'm pretty sure I've said this before but I'll say it again: this is one of those topics that everyone's already picked out their sides on the issue and they have no intention of changing their minds so all this "debate" boils down to is a thinly veiled "You're an asshole" statement. Nothing ever changes except for the resentment that comes from it so it's one of those things just best left alone unless you're actively seeking a drama-fest.

As for the study, I'm not totally sure but I think Rabbit's got it pretty much pegged and I can't find myself surprised.

[Stormwarden]

Gotta say that Rabbit's nailed this one as well.

I'm not keen on doing these because far too often, they degenerate into flamefests, and that gets silly the 100th time it happens. So...give me a bit. I'll be typing up something on firearms. Ideally, it'll be ready later tonight. We'll see. When it is ready, I'll post a link on this thread.

[dpareja]

I'm pretty sure I've said this before but I'll say it again: this is one of those topics that everyone's already picked out their sides on the issue and they have no intention of changing their minds so all this "debate" boils down to is a thinly veiled "You're an asshole" statement. Nothing ever changes except for the resentment that comes from it so it's one of those things just best left alone unless you're actively seeking a drama-fest.

This.

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

And as for the actual gun discussion I personally feel like it's beating a dead horse at this point. The conversations have been had--pages upon pages of arguments all going nowhere. That's how I remember it anyway.

[SpaceProg]

It's up to y'all.  If the thread takes off, It'll either be left here or moved to Flame and Burn, depending on how it develops.  If it doesn't it'll just sink into oblivion. 

Either way, at this point I don't mind one way or 't other.

[Askold]

Because doing the same action over and over again and expecting results is the definition of insanity, that's why.

The insanity argument can apply to anything, and is therefore meaningless.

The key point is that while you do that same thing repeatedly you expect DIFFERENT results.

That's why it applies to insanity rather than "everything." I drink tap water quite often but I never expect it to turn into soda or cucumber as I pour it into my glass. Neither am I expecting it to make me float or learn spanish. That would be insane. When I pour my self a glass of water and drink it the only expectations I have are that it will hydrate me and quench my thirst.

[Stormwarden]

Okay, this is the initial work. I'll clean it up and make it neat when I'm not in a cold medicine haze.

http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=5159.0

[gyeonghwa]

So what the study is suggesting is not that most gun owners are racist but rather racists are more likely than the average person to own guns?

It kinda enforces what I believe, that gun ownership isn't the problem, but gun fetishism is symptomatic of a problem particular of white male entitlement issues.

[Sylvana]

So what the study is suggesting is not that most gun owners are racist but rather racists are more likely than the average person to own guns?

It kinda enforces what I believe, that gun ownership isn't the problem, but gun fetishism is symptomatic of a problem particular of white male entitlement issues.

I think you may be onto something here.
I am reminded how after the Washington Naval yard shooting took place none of the normal NSA talking points cropped up. Not to mention how at the same time the news jumped on the race angle of the story despite the incident being the best example of how flawed the normal NSA gun control taking points are.

However is the gun fetishism really a white entitlement issue? I think you are onto something, but I think the issue is more complex. Just like how racists are more likely to buy a gun and vote for concealed carry laws, staunch anti government people do the same. I think there is this fetishistic belief that owning a gun will allow someone to overcome something they don't like. It feeds this delusion that they can be hero's, keeping the evil communist government at bay, or protecting their things from the evil black criminals.

I wonder if it is the no consequence fantasy of the modern action movie, or the general gun consumerism culture of America that has bred this kind of thinking.

[LeTipex]

Because doing the same action over and over again and expecting results is the definition of insanity, that's why.

The insanity argument can apply to anything, and is therefore meaningless.

The key point is that while you do that same thing repeatedly you expect DIFFERENT results.

That's why it applies to insanity rather than "everything." I drink tap water quite often but I never expect it to turn into soda or cucumber as I pour it into my glass. Neither am I expecting it to make me float or learn spanish. That would be insane. When I pour my self a glass of water and drink it the only expectations I have are that it will hydrate me and quench my thirst.

That saying is shit. Seriously. I hate it with the force of a thousand fucking suns.

You know what I call doing the same thing again and again, expecting different results? Practice. Yeah, apparently, if you want to get good at something and aren't the very first time you try it, you have to be mad.

Shitty saying.

You may now return to your previous discussion.

[QueenofHearts]

Speaking of which, why is it that every time one of these threads come up, another "I will not be demonized" pops up?