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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #255 on: July 14, 2013, 06:19:22 am »
I got through about 30 comments before I was overwhelmed by the urge to murder this "close relative" through the computer screen, along with all the people there. I don't want to hear this shithead gloat, or any of the right-wingers who are going to be so very thrilled that he got away with it.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #256 on: July 14, 2013, 07:44:06 am »
Well.... fuck. Just, fuck. Here's hoping he and Casey Anthony get a head on collision, killing each other.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #257 on: July 14, 2013, 07:59:13 am »
One of Zimmerman's relatives has posted an IAmA thread on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1i9k6e/iama_close_relative_of_george_zimmerman_i_was/

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Yeah, as much as I think this random relative is a douche bag, I couldn't help but laugh at that.

The "I put on my grand wizard hat and robes." comment went a bit too far, though.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #258 on: July 14, 2013, 08:49:55 am »
I really hope the jurors remain anonymous, because they were in a lose/lose situation here. As much as I don't like the verdict, I don't think the prosecution was able to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt, so the jurors did the right thing.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #259 on: July 14, 2013, 09:05:37 am »
I must have done a good job in picking blogs to follow, 'cause I've only been seeing disgust with the verdict on my dash.
Me too, even though most of the stuff is fandom shit so...I'm trying my best to keep quiet about on tumblr and Facebook(I had a few relatives actually defending Zimmerman) because I don't want to deal with the shit.

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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #260 on: July 14, 2013, 09:38:03 am »
I really hope the jurors remain anonymous, because they were in a lose/lose situation here. As much as I don't like the verdict, I don't think the prosecution was able to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt, so the jurors did the right thing.
On one hand, one part of me agrees. On the other hand, the vengeful dick part of me disagrees. I've been in vengeful dick mode for hours, though, so I mainly agree due to being rather low on anger.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #261 on: July 14, 2013, 09:40:15 am »
I really hope the jurors remain anonymous, because they were in a lose/lose situation here. As much as I don't like the verdict, I don't think the prosecution was able to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt, so the jurors did the right thing.

The prosecution definitely didn't have enough evidence to warrant a guilty verdict on the murder charge, but a manslaughter conviction would have been completely justified.

That being said, I'm not familiar enough with Florida law regarding manslaughter to determine whether or not such a conviction would have been legal.

Edit: Under Florida law, would proving that Zimmerman acted recklessly suffice for a manslaughter charge? Or would proving that he wasn't acting in self-defence still be an issue?
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #262 on: July 14, 2013, 09:50:24 am »
I think manslaughter would certainly be justified, but I'm not sure of every argument the prosecution made and whether they presented enough evidence and explanations for the jury to reach a guilty verdict there. I know at one point, the jury asked lawyers for clarification on the definition of manslaughter, which shows there was some debate over that charge. But I'm not familiar with that law.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #263 on: July 14, 2013, 11:08:18 am »
When the state special prosecutor's office filed for second degree murder, it was a politically motivated, public opinion assuaging move. It quelled a huge out cry in Sanford and across the state. With only Zimmerman as a full witness, and little physical evidence, second degree would have only been met if people on the jury had actually kept in mind all of Zimmerman's odd actions, and self-contradictory statements in his incident interviews by the detectives. Zimmerman even had Trayvon saying crap about as believable as lines from a 1960's Dick Tracy comic book.

Second degree under FL law is very strenuous and frankly reads as just a hair's breadth below first degree, premeditated murder. I actually suspect the decision to pursue second degree was a ploy to help assure Zimmerman was acquitted, in that, the jury is more likely to also dismiss the manslaughter option after failing to agree on all the stringent points of second degree.

Mark O'Mara is on my all-time Biggest Dickweeds list for his post trial spews about what if Zimmerman was black, and Trayvon died-kids-die-of-cancer-too. I will fucking slap his dentures* out of his face and crush them under foot if I ever meet him in person.


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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #264 on: July 14, 2013, 11:14:22 am »
Funny.

This has taught me that expecting the worst can still leave you disappointed when it actually happens.

There is no preparing for this kinda shit it seems.

Well, nice to know that when a black woman fires a gun into the air to scare someone, it earns her 20 years in prison, but outright killing a black teenager armed with skittles and a can of iced tea doesn't just let you go scot free, but you get hailed as a hero by a whole bunch of sheeple.

Of course, the prosecution might've actually had a case if the police had actually done their job and investigated the crime scene instead of drug testing Trayvon, patching Zimmerman's wounds, and sending him home.

Also, why the fuck didn't the defense have to prove it was self defense?  Almost every other state I know of requires you to prove it's self defense, but in this case it was somehow assumed.  That's stupid.

That's Florida.  The state has a very low bar for self defense claims.  Also I believe Martin was tested for drugs as part of the autopsy, which is probably pretty standard.

I doubt the police doing anything different would have given then any evidence to disprove Zimmerman's story beyond a doubt.  Hence is the nature of the laws.  The women who got 20 years had a different set of circumstances including witnesses to testify against her. 
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #265 on: July 14, 2013, 11:43:53 am »
One of Zimmerman's lawyers compared Martin's death with "kids who die of cancer all the time."  Because, you know, kids who die of cancer die from completely preventable deaths perpetrated by fellow human beings oh wait.

AHH!! THE STUPID!!

That's such a typical fundie argument. 

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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #266 on: July 14, 2013, 03:47:50 pm »
When the state special prosecutor's office filed for second degree murder, it was a politically motivated, public opinion assuaging move.

Actually, knowing the prosecutor, I think it was as much motivated by zeal and a pretty solid history of murder convictions.

The special prosecutor is the State Attorney where I went to law school. (She still tries DP cases.) The Assistant State Attorney who gave the opening and was involved in the trial is an Adjunct Professor at my law school, and is a member of the homicide team in the local State Attorney's Office. Duval County has a lot of homicides, so the team gets a lot of practice. Put all of that together and I think they honestly believed they had a good chance of winning.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #267 on: July 14, 2013, 03:55:14 pm »
A manslaughter conviction would have been much easier. Zimmerman pretty obviously acted recklessly: he aggressively followed a teenager who was alone at night without identifying himself. While Martin was pretty dumb to confront and punch him over that, he was very justifiably intimidated by Zimmerman. While Martin stated the actual fight, Zimmerman was the one whose own stupid intimidation and ignoring of the police got him in trouble in the first place.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #268 on: July 14, 2013, 03:59:20 pm »
A manslaughter conviction would have been much easier. Zimmerman pretty obviously acted recklessly: he aggressively followed a teenager who was alone at night without identifying himself. While Martin was pretty dumb to confront and punch him over that, he was very justifiably intimidated by Zimmerman. While Martin stated the actual fight, Zimmerman was the one whose own stupid intimidation and ignoring of the police got him in trouble in the first place.

Thing is the defense did a good job of raising doubt that Zimmerman followed Martin.  Remember Zimmerman said he was looking for a street sign.  With that in doubt so to was the manslaughter conviction.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #269 on: July 14, 2013, 04:02:40 pm »
I must have done a good job in picking blogs to follow, 'cause I've only been seeing disgust with the verdict on my dash.
Me too, even though most of the stuff is fandom shit so...I'm trying my best to keep quiet about on tumblr and Facebook(I had a few relatives actually defending Zimmerman) because I don't want to deal with the shit.

I had a couple people go 'this was never about race'. But they are usually quiet anyways unless something controversial pops up in the first place so I ignored it.

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