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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: KZN02 on January 24, 2014, 05:00:07 pm
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But please tell me how Christians are the only ones being persecuted.
Link (https://www.aclu.org/blog/religion-belief/if-you-want-fit-public-school-just-become-christian)
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Amazing. And when people get called on this they act so surprised.
Ironbite-disgusting.
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God I hope that teacher was fired. Probably won't be though.
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FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU NO WHAT NO I LIKE THIS PLANET YOU GET OFF
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Why am I not surprise that this happened in the state where Bobby Jindal is governor.
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65% of the comments are good, 35% are trash or "But not all Christians are like that so you shouldn't blame all of them for <x>" which is deflecting the issue.
As for this, I'm not surprised this happened, just pissed that it's allowed to happen.
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Sounds like some lady needs the shit slapped out of her.
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Try the entire chain of command.
And slapped with something a bit weightier than a hand. Like, say... a bowling ball.
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Try the entire chain of command.
And slapped with something a bit weightier than a hand. Like, say... a bowling ball.
How appropriate for those pinheads.
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I can't say I'm at all surprised. I've met Bible Belt Christians who literally think that the only religious protection the First Amendment offers is that you get to choose your own denomination of Christianity.
Without trying to play the racist card, I can't help wondering if it goes back to the slave owners before the Civil War. Before then, I don't remember reading about the South being any more religious than the rest of the country, but as the slavery debate heated up, many Southerners used Bible quotes to justify it. After the South's defeat, I remember reading that there was a sharp uptick in religious revivals, particularly in response to the harsh measures taken during Reconstruction.
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*head tilt* What did I just read?
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Without trying to play the racist card, I can't help wondering if it goes back to the slave owners before the Civil War. Before then, I don't remember reading about the South being any more religious than the rest of the country, but as the slavery debate heated up, many Southerners used Bible quotes to justify it. After the South's defeat, I remember reading that there was a sharp uptick in religious revivals, particularly in response to the harsh measures taken during Reconstruction.
On the other hand, there were a number of Christians in Dixie who used the Bible in their arguments against slavery and for Civil Rights.
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Without trying to play the racist card, I can't help wondering if it goes back to the slave owners before the Civil War. Before then, I don't remember reading about the South being any more religious than the rest of the country, but as the slavery debate heated up, many Southerners used Bible quotes to justify it. After the South's defeat, I remember reading that there was a sharp uptick in religious revivals, particularly in response to the harsh measures taken during Reconstruction.
On the other hand, there were a number of Christians in Dixie who used the Bible in their arguments against slavery and for Civil Rights.
By any chance, are you related to my sister in law's mother? She told me "No, no, you have it wrong. The christians ended slavery. The slave holders were just secular atheists pretending to be christian."
She's a public school teacher. Let that sink in.
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No, I'm just saying that there were Christians on both sides of the issue.
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Yeah, while there were plenty of slave-owning Christians, don't forget that John Brown was a pastor, and so were a lot of abolitionists.
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65% of the comments are good, 35% are trash or "But not all Christians are like that so you shouldn't blame all of them for <x>" which is deflecting the issue.
As for this, I'm not surprised this happened, just pissed that it's allowed to happen.
I'm probably wrong, but I feel like the sudden influx of the idiot comments on the second page are from the same anon who got butthurt over the article.
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Oh, but it's okay, because they're not all like that, guiz. It's only a vocal minority that gets up to this, you don't need to worry about us.
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Oh, but it's okay, because they're not all like that, guiz. It's only a vocal minority that gets up to this, you don't need to worry about us.
I like the one that goes on about how it's wrong to demonize the community when it was just one teacher, ignoring that fact that it was the teacher, the principal, and the superintendent. You know, the people with the power in the school.
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Oh, but it's okay, because they're not all like that, guiz. It's only a vocal minority that gets up to this, you don't need to worry about us.
I like the one that goes on about how it's wrong to demonize the community when it was just one teacher, ignoring that fact that it was the teacher, the principal, and the superintendent. You know, the people with the power in the school.
Not only that, but the entire class that bullied the kid to the point of physical illness.
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My Kentucky high school experience wasn't quite THIS bad, but most of the teachers and administrators were decidedly unsympathetic to my reports of bullying and harassment, especially when it was religion-based. Not to mention the time the Lutheran church choir I was a part of at my parents' insistence decided that throwing rocks at me would be a great way to pass the time while we waited for practice to start.
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Man... schools I went to were never that bad... or even remotely close to it. We had the "Pole" gathering, but it was entirely voluntary, and was held either before or after school hours so as not to interfere in any of the school's normal functioning.
I thought I lived in the buckle of the Bible Belt, but maybe I was wrong.
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Let's see, give students the option to read books for class that parents (who've never read the book) disapprove of: teacher gets fired.
Use religion to bully students into conformity: teacher gets praised.
The first one BTW was from another article. It's just that kind of behavior that pisses me off. Hell, that kind of behavior pissed me off even back when I was a Christian.
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Re: Christians and slavery.
Next time you see a Southern Baptist claiming that it was Christianity that brought an end to slavery, make sure to ask why the Southern Baptists split off from their northern bretheren.
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It gets worse. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/26/the-louisiana-public-school-cramming-christianity-down-students-throats.html)
Oh why oh why did I try and read the comments.
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It gets worse. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/26/the-louisiana-public-school-cramming-christianity-down-students-throats.html)
Oh why oh why did I try and read the comments.
A brief glimmer of hope for humanity?
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So what can be done about this clearly unconstitutional school and probably many more like it?
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In theory? Force them to either get rid of the religious iconography or include representations of other faiths, stop preaching in class, teach actual science in science class...
In practice, the government and administrators will bleat and wave their arms and scream "persecution!" until the problem goes away. Which it will. No matter the damages they end up having to pay to the family, they aren't going to let a little thing like other people's rights get in the way of their ideology.
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Well it's a good thing in theory. But can it actually be done?
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Well there's nuking the site from orbit.
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Ironbite's right. It's the only way to be sure.
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I think a lawsuit might do some good.
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I think a lawsuit might do some good.
We're not THAT cruel.
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Well there's nuking the site from orbit.
That's your answer for everything up to, and including, when the froyo machine is broken.
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/03/16/after-school-district-pushes-creationism-jesus-the-bible-on-students-a-buddhist-family-finally-prevails-in-court/
Update on the family and school.
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Unfortunately, that's probably not going to change anything. The bullying won't stop either and the kid attending that school will probably be bullied as a "Christian Persecutor" from now on.
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Unfortunately, that's probably not going to change anything. The bullying won't stop either and the kid attending that school will probably be bullied as a "Christian Persecutor" from now on.
Yeah, you're probably right.