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Title: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: KZN02 on January 24, 2014, 05:00:07 pm
But please tell me how Christians are the only ones being persecuted.

Link (https://www.aclu.org/blog/religion-belief/if-you-want-fit-public-school-just-become-christian)
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: ironbite on January 24, 2014, 05:57:13 pm
Amazing.  And when people get called on this they act so surprised.

Ironbite-disgusting.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 24, 2014, 06:44:15 pm
God I hope that teacher was fired. Probably won't be though.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Ghoti on January 24, 2014, 06:46:00 pm
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU NO WHAT NO I LIKE THIS PLANET YOU GET OFF
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 24, 2014, 06:48:47 pm
Why am I not surprise that this happened in the state where Bobby Jindal is governor.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 24, 2014, 07:26:28 pm
65% of the comments are good, 35% are trash or "But not all Christians are like that so you shouldn't blame all of them for <x>" which is deflecting the issue.

As for this, I'm not surprised this happened, just pissed that it's allowed to happen.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 24, 2014, 07:28:49 pm
Sounds like some lady needs the shit slapped out of her.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 24, 2014, 07:34:05 pm
Try the entire chain of command.

And slapped with something a bit weightier than a hand.  Like, say... a bowling ball.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2014, 07:55:00 pm
Try the entire chain of command.

And slapped with something a bit weightier than a hand.  Like, say... a bowling ball.
How appropriate for those pinheads.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: R. U. Sirius on January 24, 2014, 08:20:05 pm
I can't say I'm at all surprised. I've met Bible Belt Christians who literally think that the only religious protection the First Amendment offers is that you get to choose your own denomination of Christianity.

Without trying to play the racist card, I can't help wondering if it goes back to the slave owners before the Civil War. Before then, I don't remember reading about the South being any more religious than the rest of the country, but as the slavery debate heated up, many Southerners used Bible quotes to justify it. After the South's defeat, I remember reading that there was a sharp uptick in religious revivals, particularly in response to the harsh measures taken during Reconstruction.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: wrightway on January 24, 2014, 08:36:41 pm
*head tilt* What did I just read?
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2014, 08:40:23 pm
Without trying to play the racist card, I can't help wondering if it goes back to the slave owners before the Civil War. Before then, I don't remember reading about the South being any more religious than the rest of the country, but as the slavery debate heated up, many Southerners used Bible quotes to justify it. After the South's defeat, I remember reading that there was a sharp uptick in religious revivals, particularly in response to the harsh measures taken during Reconstruction.
On the other hand, there were a number of Christians in Dixie who used the Bible in their arguments against slavery and for Civil Rights.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: wrightway on January 24, 2014, 08:50:05 pm
Without trying to play the racist card, I can't help wondering if it goes back to the slave owners before the Civil War. Before then, I don't remember reading about the South being any more religious than the rest of the country, but as the slavery debate heated up, many Southerners used Bible quotes to justify it. After the South's defeat, I remember reading that there was a sharp uptick in religious revivals, particularly in response to the harsh measures taken during Reconstruction.
On the other hand, there were a number of Christians in Dixie who used the Bible in their arguments against slavery and for Civil Rights.

By any chance, are you related to my sister in law's mother? She told me "No, no, you have it wrong. The christians ended slavery. The slave holders were just secular atheists pretending to be christian."

She's a public school teacher. Let that sink in.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2014, 09:00:03 pm
No, I'm just saying that there were Christians on both sides of the issue.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: lord gibbon on January 24, 2014, 09:46:16 pm
Yeah, while there were plenty of slave-owning Christians, don't forget that John Brown was a pastor, and so were a lot of abolitionists.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: TheUnknown on January 24, 2014, 10:24:38 pm
65% of the comments are good, 35% are trash or "But not all Christians are like that so you shouldn't blame all of them for <x>" which is deflecting the issue.

As for this, I'm not surprised this happened, just pissed that it's allowed to happen.

I'm probably wrong, but I feel like the sudden influx of the idiot comments on the second page are from the same anon who got butthurt over the article.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Kain on January 24, 2014, 11:11:26 pm
Oh, but it's okay, because they're not all like that, guiz. It's only a vocal minority that gets up to this, you don't need to worry about us.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: TheUnknown on January 24, 2014, 11:14:54 pm
Oh, but it's okay, because they're not all like that, guiz. It's only a vocal minority that gets up to this, you don't need to worry about us.


I like the one that goes on about how it's wrong to demonize the community when it was just one teacher, ignoring that fact that it was the teacher, the principal, and the superintendent.  You know, the people with the power in the school.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Kain on January 24, 2014, 11:27:28 pm
Oh, but it's okay, because they're not all like that, guiz. It's only a vocal minority that gets up to this, you don't need to worry about us.


I like the one that goes on about how it's wrong to demonize the community when it was just one teacher, ignoring that fact that it was the teacher, the principal, and the superintendent.  You know, the people with the power in the school.

Not only that, but the entire class that bullied the kid to the point of physical illness.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: R. U. Sirius on January 25, 2014, 12:10:52 am
My Kentucky high school experience wasn't quite THIS bad, but most of the teachers and administrators were decidedly unsympathetic to my reports of bullying and harassment, especially when it was religion-based. Not to mention the time the Lutheran church choir I was a part of at my parents' insistence decided that throwing rocks at me would be a great way to pass the time while we waited for practice to start.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: SpaceProg on January 25, 2014, 04:39:18 am
Man... schools I went to were never that bad... or even remotely close to it.   We had the "Pole" gathering, but it was entirely voluntary, and was held either before or after school hours so as not to interfere in any of the school's normal functioning.

I thought I lived in the buckle of the Bible Belt, but maybe I was wrong.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Vypernight on January 25, 2014, 04:53:14 am
Let's see, give students the option to read books for class that parents (who've never read the book) disapprove of:  teacher gets fired.

Use religion to bully students into conformity:  teacher gets praised.

The first one BTW was from another article.  It's just that kind of behavior that pisses me off.  Hell, that kind of behavior pissed me off even back when I was a Christian.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Random Gal on January 25, 2014, 05:39:57 am
Re: Christians and slavery.

Next time you see a Southern Baptist claiming that it was Christianity that brought an end to slavery, make sure to ask why the Southern Baptists split off from their northern bretheren.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: starseeker on January 27, 2014, 06:39:45 am
It gets worse. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/26/the-louisiana-public-school-cramming-christianity-down-students-throats.html)

Oh why oh why did I try and read the comments.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 27, 2014, 09:43:49 am
It gets worse. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/26/the-louisiana-public-school-cramming-christianity-down-students-throats.html)

Oh why oh why did I try and read the comments.

A brief glimmer of hope for humanity?
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Id82 on January 27, 2014, 11:22:17 am
So what can be done about this clearly unconstitutional school and probably many more like it?
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: R. U. Sirius on January 27, 2014, 01:55:30 pm
In theory? Force them to either get rid of the religious iconography or include representations of other faiths, stop preaching in class, teach actual science in science class...

In practice, the government and administrators will bleat and wave their arms and scream "persecution!" until the problem goes away. Which it will. No matter the damages they end up having to pay to the family, they aren't going to let a little thing like other people's rights get in the way of their ideology.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Id82 on January 27, 2014, 03:11:47 pm
Well it's a good thing in theory. But can it actually be done?
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: ironbite on January 27, 2014, 03:18:03 pm
Well there's nuking the site from orbit.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Ghoti on January 27, 2014, 03:31:52 pm
Ironbite's right. It's the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 27, 2014, 05:21:47 pm
I think a lawsuit might do some good.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Meshakhad on January 27, 2014, 06:39:56 pm
I think a lawsuit might do some good.

We're not THAT cruel.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: wrightway on January 27, 2014, 08:17:25 pm
Well there's nuking the site from orbit.

That's your answer for everything up to, and including, when the froyo machine is broken.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: R. U. Sirius on March 16, 2014, 01:46:34 pm
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/03/16/after-school-district-pushes-creationism-jesus-the-bible-on-students-a-buddhist-family-finally-prevails-in-court/

Update on the family and school.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: Id82 on March 16, 2014, 02:26:53 pm
Unfortunately, that's probably not going to change anything. The bullying won't stop either and the kid attending that school will probably be bullied as a "Christian Persecutor" from now on.
Title: Re: If You Want To Fit In At This Public School Just Become Christian
Post by: I am lizard on March 16, 2014, 02:38:59 pm
Unfortunately, that's probably not going to change anything. The bullying won't stop either and the kid attending that school will probably be bullied as a "Christian Persecutor" from now on.
Yeah, you're probably right.