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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2013, 12:54:02 am »
Edit:  So I skimmed a bit, and all I see is self-righteous cyberterrorism/cyberterroristic threats.  I doubt I'll gain any respect for them by hearing the details, but who the fuck is this asshole that committed suicide that these shitfaces feel the need to crusade for?  What the fuck did he do?  Not all of us are in the loop.

Why so angry?

Anyway, he was an internet freedom activist, founded a group that campaigned against SOPA, and played a role in the development of Reddit. There's a lot more here.

He also stole a lot of academic journals from JSTOR for charging fees to read them.

This is not correct. He was perfectly entitled to download as much from JSTOR as he chose (through MIT). He did so semi-sneakily, by changing the IP address on his computer, and he also looked a bit dodgy on some security camera tapes. That's the entire offence. He downloaded something he was entitled to download in a way we prefer he didn't, in a way that violated the terms of agreement of a website. For that crime, fifty years prison.

I'm not saying he should not have been punished. I'm saying he should have been punished commensurate with the crime- a minor fine, at worst. That's what fair law does.

The amount of punishment did not match the crime. Murderers and rapists get decades behind bars, not trespassers. That's very bad, it's essentially arbitrary law. Imagine if the government* could decide, with almost no restriction, how much to punish people for crimes. Is it so inconceivable that a prosecutor could abuse that power to punish people she did not like far worse and punish people she did like much less bad, clearly what has happened in this case? This is why I support Aaron's Law, which brings the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (1984) into the modern world, removing those completely arbitrary sentencing guidelines. It's also why I support firing the people responsible for abusing their power to hunt and persecute minor felons who are also political opponents.

* The prosecutor

From what I can tell, you're conflating maximum sentence - which according to what I've read was 35 years, and NOT 50 - with actual sentence.

The prosecutor consistently pushed for longer sentences. Her recent addition of decades of prison worth of more nonsense charges is probably what pushed Aaron over the edge, as intended. She had him arrested, also- not something you do with a person guilty of a misdemeanor barely worth charging. Had the prosecutor clearly stated that she intended to charge Aaron commensurate with the severity of his actual crime*, rather than his political 'crimes', she would be entitled to keep her job. But, of course, that would have left him free and alive, able to continue his politically-dangerous work and that could not be allowed.

Of course, it's extremely embarrassing, perhaps even temporarily costly, for her to admit this. So she won't.

Also, (as has been pointed out by others) this was an outlier case. When Ortiz's office charged real criminals- a series of pharmaceutical companies that had put people's lives at risk- she did not seek jail time, nor any individual criminal charges from any of the criminals involved. They were let off scott free. But for political criminals, like Aaron? Decades in prison, handcuffs.

Edit to add: turns out Ortiz is just lying! Who'd have thought?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57565927-38/swartz-didnt-face-prison-until-feds-took-over-case-report-says/


* A minor fine, no prison.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2013, 01:35:03 am by Lt. Fred »
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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2013, 01:28:19 am »
Anonymous ain't nothin' ta fuck with.

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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2013, 01:56:27 am »
What Anonymous is doing here is frankly childish, and unlikely to help matters any, and only exacerbates the idea that anyone who knows from computers and talks about free speech is a criminal.

That being said, what happened to Schwartz was a miscarriage of justice.  No one is denying that he was guilty, but the sentence sought was far too harsh for what he actually did.  Ortiz's office went about this unethically, and it highlights a place where the law is failing.  That needs to be addressed.
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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2013, 02:04:36 am »
I have no particular opinion on the actions of Anonymous, I don't really know enough to judge. Obviously, as a private, very-informal, largely powerless organisation our standard for their behaviour should be much less than an official prosecutor or judge. Also, we should pay much less attention to their actions. Of course, the opposite will probably be true of the media.
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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2013, 02:14:40 am »
Anonymous is throwing a self-righteous tantrum because a genuinely terrible thing happened.

So, what's actually new about this?
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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2013, 06:43:27 am »
The prosecutor consistently pushed for longer sentences. Her recent addition of decades of prison worth of more nonsense charges is probably what pushed Aaron over the edge, as intended. She had him arrested, also- not something you do with a person guilty of a misdemeanor barely worth charging. Had the prosecutor clearly stated that she intended to charge Aaron commensurate with the severity of his actual crime*, rather than his political 'crimes', she would be entitled to keep her job. But, of course, that would have left him free and alive, able to continue his politically-dangerous work and that could not be allowed.

Of course, it's extremely embarrassing, perhaps even temporarily costly, for her to admit this. So she won't.

One big problem with your theory. The prosecutor has publicly said she was not pushing for a long sentence. If that was not true, why hasn't Swartz's attorney spoken up to refute her statement? Any plea negotiations would go through Swartz's attorney, so that person would actually know what the prosecutor was doing. If they really were trying to throw the book at him, all his attorney would have to do is say so.

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Also, (as has been pointed out by others) this was an outlier case. When Ortiz's office charged real criminals- a series of pharmaceutical companies that had put people's lives at risk- she did not seek jail time, nor any individual criminal charges from any of the criminals involved.

Different laws written differently with different punishments.

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Edit to add: turns out Ortiz is just lying! Who'd have thought?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57565927-38/swartz-didnt-face-prison-until-feds-took-over-case-report-says/

That link doesn't prove Ortiz was lying. All it says is that the state wasn't going to send him to prison. The state and federal legal systems are separate, and the legal definitions are different.
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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2013, 07:21:55 am »
The prosecutor consistently pushed for longer sentences. Her recent addition of decades of prison worth of more nonsense charges is probably what pushed Aaron over the edge, as intended. She had him arrested, also- not something you do with a person guilty of a misdemeanor barely worth charging. Had the prosecutor clearly stated that she intended to charge Aaron commensurate with the severity of his actual crime*, rather than his political 'crimes', she would be entitled to keep her job. But, of course, that would have left him free and alive, able to continue his politically-dangerous work and that could not be allowed.

Of course, it's extremely embarrassing, perhaps even temporarily costly, for her to admit this. So she won't.

One big problem with your theory. The prosecutor has publicly said she was not pushing for a long sentence. If that was not true, why hasn't Swartz's attorney spoken up to refute her statement?

You mean like this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/aaron-swartz-stephen-heymann_n_2473278.html

"He was very intransigent," Peters said of Heymann. "It was his philosophy that as you got closer to trial the plea offers only got worse. But the offer he was making was so unreasonable that having it get worse didn't concern me much"

"The people who really lost their way here and turned it into a much bigger case than it should have been were the feds," Peters said."

Above all, if the federal prosecutor did not intend Aaron to spend years in prison, why did the prosecutor charge him with fifteen charges? Why did she consistently add more to the list? If she really intended to act responsibly, why did she dangle the threat of irresponsible abuse of her power over his head?

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Also, (as has been pointed out by others) this was an outlier case. When Ortiz's office charged real criminals- a series of pharmaceutical companies that had put people's lives at risk- she did not seek jail time, nor any individual criminal charges from any of the criminals involved.

Different laws written differently with different punishments.

And, more importantly, different people. A health insurance company executive guilty of dangerous fraud will not be charged, a free-internet activist guilty (maybe) of tresspass will have the book thrown at them. An actual criminal guilty of an actual crime that could actually have hurt real people- no matter. The charge doesn't matter, only your person.

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Edit to add: turns out Ortiz is just lying! Who'd have thought?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57565927-38/swartz-didnt-face-prison-until-feds-took-over-case-report-says/

That link doesn't prove Ortiz was lying. All it says is that the state wasn't going to send him to prison. The state and federal legal systems are separate, and the legal definitions are different.

The federal prosecutor was far more aggressive than the state prosecutor. In fact, the federal prosecutor pushed for lengthy jail sentences, wheras the state prosecutor was happy with a fine. The state prosecutor is entirely justified in keeping his or her job.
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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2013, 10:58:18 am »
This is not correct. He was perfectly entitled to download as much from JSTOR as he chose (through MIT). He did so semi-sneakily, by changing the IP address on his computer, and he also looked a bit dodgy on some security camera tapes. That's the entire offence. He downloaded something he was entitled to download in a way we prefer he didn't, in a way that violated the terms of agreement of a website. For that crime, fifty years prison.

Violating the terms means he stole the data.  He also did not take just a few he downloaded four million documents with the intend to distribute them. 

Anonymous ain't nothin' ta fuck with.

How many of there past projects accomplished the desired results?
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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2013, 01:49:24 pm »
This is not correct. He was perfectly entitled to download as much from JSTOR as he chose (through MIT). He did so semi-sneakily, by changing the IP address on his computer, and he also looked a bit dodgy on some security camera tapes. That's the entire offence. He downloaded something he was entitled to download in a way we prefer he didn't, in a way that violated the terms of agreement of a website. For that crime, fifty years prison.

Violating the terms means he stole the data.  He also did not take just a few he downloaded four million documents with the intend to distribute them. 

Anonymous ain't nothin' ta fuck with.

How many of there past projects accomplished the desired results?

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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2013, 01:55:11 pm »
This is not correct. He was perfectly entitled to download as much from JSTOR as he chose (through MIT). He did so semi-sneakily, by changing the IP address on his computer, and he also looked a bit dodgy on some security camera tapes. That's the entire offence. He downloaded something he was entitled to download in a way we prefer he didn't, in a way that violated the terms of agreement of a website. For that crime, fifty years prison.

Violating the terms means he stole the databought the data legally with his own money.  He also did not take just a few he downloaded four million documents with the intend to distribute them because as court files they were technically supposed to already be legally in the public domain anyway under the freedom of information act

Anonymous ain't nothin' ta fuck with.

How many of there past projects accomplished the desired results?

Fixed that for you. I don't even really know 100% of the details of the case, but I know that much.
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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2013, 02:01:36 pm »
Anonymous ain't nothin' ta fuck with.

How many of there past projects accomplished the desired results?
I don't know and for the record I don't think it matters. That they can successfully hack top government and corporate Web sites shows that they are a force to be reckoned with.

They took down the sites for the Department of Justice, RIAA, MPAA and Universal Music in response to the Megaupload bust.

They helped coordinate and popularize Occupy Wall Street protests.

They led protests against the Church of Scientology.

They hacked the Web site and Twitter account of the Westboro Baptist Church.

They forced the resignation of HBGary Federal's CEO by releasing his personal information. HBGary was involved in a plan to attack Wikileaks .

They hacked Web sites of the Ugandan government in response to their horrific "Kill the Gays" bill.

They attacked a massive child porn ring and released the IP addresses of consumers of online child pornography.

They leaked the video of Steubenville football players bragging and joking about raping a girl.

Oh and they also hacked Neo-Nazi Web sites, used Jamie Kelso's credit card to send donations to the Anti-Defamation League, and revealed a connection between Ron Paul and American Third Position.

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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2013, 03:56:48 pm »
Violating the terms means he stole the databought the data legally with his own money.  He also did not take just a few he downloaded four million documents with the intend to distribute them because as court files they were technically supposed to already be legally in the public domain anyway under the freedom of information act.

He did not buy the data.  You will have to cite were those journal articles were to be public.
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2013, 04:17:25 pm »
[I don't know and for the record I don't think it matters. That they can successfully hack top government and corporate Web sites shows that they are a force to be reckoned with.

They took down the sites for the Department of Justice, RIAA, MPAA and Universal Music in response to the Megaupload bust.

Wow, they took down websites for awhile.  Sites which not many missed.

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They helped coordinate and popularize Occupy Wall Street protests.

Along with many others.  Nothing very special here.

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They led protests against the Church of Scientology.

With the goal to taking the church down, removing there presence from the web.  They are still up and running.

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They hacked the Web site and Twitter account of the Westboro Baptist Church.

Taking down websites and hacking twitter accounts really does not accomplish a whole lot.

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They forced the resignation of HBGary Federal's CEO by releasing his personal information. HBGary was involved in a plan to attack Wikileaks .

Well they did take down the CEO, but the company remains.  Not to mention it got the members who did the hacking arrested.

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They hacked Web sites of the Ugandan government in response to their horrific "Kill the Gays" bill.

Hacking the Ugandan government website has really made them change hasn't it?

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They attacked a massive child porn ring and released the IP addresses of consumers of online child pornography.

Okay I will give them this one.

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hey leaked the video of Steubenville football players bragging and joking about raping a girl.

...and this. 

Oh and they also hacked Neo-Nazi Web sites, used Jamie Kelso's credit card to send donations to the Anti-Defamation League, and revealed a connection between Ron Paul and American Third Position.

Donations that I'm sure were returned because of the credit theft.  Web sites that are now back and Ron Paul never lost his core support.

Anonymous can fuck with individuals pretty good, but they can't match major groups let alone the US government.
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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2013, 04:48:19 pm »
[I don't know and for the record I don't think it matters. That they can successfully hack top government and corporate Web sites shows that they are a force to be reckoned with.

They took down the sites for the Department of Justice, RIAA, MPAA and Universal Music in response to the Megaupload bust.

Wow, they took down websites for awhile.  Sites which not many missed.

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They helped coordinate and popularize Occupy Wall Street protests.

Along with many others.  Nothing very special here.

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They led protests against the Church of Scientology.

With the goal to taking the church down, removing there presence from the web.  They are still up and running.

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They hacked the Web site and Twitter account of the Westboro Baptist Church.

Taking down websites and hacking twitter accounts really does not accomplish a whole lot.

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They forced the resignation of HBGary Federal's CEO by releasing his personal information. HBGary was involved in a plan to attack Wikileaks .

Well they did take down the CEO, but the company remains.  Not to mention it got the members who did the hacking arrested.

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They hacked Web sites of the Ugandan government in response to their horrific "Kill the Gays" bill.

Hacking the Ugandan government website has really made them change hasn't it?

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They attacked a massive child porn ring and released the IP addresses of consumers of online child pornography.

Okay I will give them this one.

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hey leaked the video of Steubenville football players bragging and joking about raping a girl.

...and this. 

Oh and they also hacked Neo-Nazi Web sites, used Jamie Kelso's credit card to send donations to the Anti-Defamation League, and revealed a connection between Ron Paul and American Third Position.

Donations that I'm sure were returned because of the credit theft.  Web sites that are now back and Ron Paul never lost his core support.

Anonymous can fuck with individuals pretty good, but they can't match major groups let alone the US government.
You could have just said "Not impressed" and spared the needlessly long rebuttal. Especially since their goals are not to permanently shut down government Web sites (or the WBC one for that matter). It's hacktivism, and it's meant to spur other people to action.

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Re: Anon hacked the USSC web site.
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2013, 05:29:48 pm »
You could have just said "Not impressed" and spared the needlessly long rebuttal. Especially since their goals are not to permanently shut down government Web sites (or the WBC one for that matter). It's hacktivism, and it's meant to spur other people to action.

There goal is change, which they have caused little in the way of.  Seldom do they accomplish anything other than taking down websites, and mostly ones no one cares about.
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