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Title: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Her3tiK on July 28, 2013, 01:52:12 am
I shit you not (http://www.damasotimes.com/2/post/2013/07/21a.html).
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According to the new laws, revealing or receiving confidential Vatican information is now punishable by up to two years in prison, while newly defined sex crimes against children carry a sentence of up to twelve years. Because all sex crimes are kept confidential, there is no longer a legal way for Vatican officials to report sex crimes.

And of course, there's this gem:
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[Monsignor Dominique] Mamberti has warned would-be offenders within Vatican walls that they 'are still subject to the most watchful eye of all: the eye of God.'

Someone explain to me why it's illegal (compared to, say a moral obligation) to drive a railroad spike into the skull of each and every RCC employee on the planet. At this point, they are all complicit in these crimes.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Katsuro on July 28, 2013, 04:35:41 am
How anyone can defend and/or remain a part of this institution is genuinely beyond me.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: ironbite on July 28, 2013, 05:02:36 am
Wow....just wow.

Ironbite-they are aware that the power they used to have is gone right?
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Askold on July 28, 2013, 05:20:51 am
Actually... Who can they sentence to jail? Do those punishments only concern if it actually happened in the Vatican or something? I mean I'm pretty sure that if a catholic priest is discovered to be a pedophile in, let's say France, it will be the local police who handle the criminal investigation and the legal system of the country who handle the sentencing, not the RCC.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Vypernight on July 28, 2013, 06:08:50 am
What if it's exposed outside the country and the other country refuses to cooperate?  Is the Vatican going to go to war with that country?  Good luck with that!
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Dakota Bob on July 28, 2013, 07:00:22 am
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[Monsignor Dominique] Mamberti has warned would-be offenders within Vatican walls that they 'are still subject to the most watchful eye of all: the eye of God.'

That'll help. Keep on fucking that chicken, RCC. This surely won't backfire.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 28, 2013, 07:06:43 am
What if it's exposed outside the country and the other country refuses to cooperate?  Is the Vatican going to go to war with that country?  Good luck with that!
Gives the resident creeps in funny hats a reason to send as many confidential files as possible to the Vatican doesn't it?
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 28, 2013, 08:21:02 am
What if it's exposed outside the country and the other country refuses to cooperate?  Is the Vatican going to go to war with that country?  Good luck with that!

Yeah, I'd like to see what amounts to a city-state going to war with, oh say...the US military.  Hell, any country in Europe, even Switzerland, could kick their asses back into the Stone Age.  Though, that's not that far of a kick, they haven't yet left the Bronze Age.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Askold on July 28, 2013, 08:56:14 am
What if it's exposed outside the country and the other country refuses to cooperate?  Is the Vatican going to go to war with that country?  Good luck with that!

Yeah, I'd like to see what amounts to a city-state going to war with, oh say...the US military.  Hell, any country in Europe, even Switzerland, could kick their asses back into the Stone Age.  Though, that's not that far of a kick, they haven't yet left the Bronze Age.

I think Luxemburg and some other smaller countries could be in a trouble when facing off against the Swiss guard.

But there are other forms of diplomacy (And I don't think that Vatican or when it comes to that any country would use war as a first reaction to a diplomatic problem.)
Still, it is kinda hard for them to enforce this law abroad. I think that one of the south american countries with high catholic population might be swayed when pressured by the pope, but even then it is unlikely.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Barbarella on July 28, 2013, 10:59:59 am
*GAH!* It's like the Vatican admits & APPROVES of pedophilia! WHAT'S WRONG WITH THESE GUYS?!

I've also lost what little possible respect for the new Pope I had as well. That MSNBC anchor was naive, I was naive, the Pope's positive gestures are just empty show, the Vatican is evil to the core. John XXIII & John Paul the FIRST were the last genuinely good Popes. The Roman Catholic Church will continue to die. Any practicing Catholics who are as disgusted as I am should switch to Episcopalian or Liberal Catholic denominations (if they wish to remain Catholic). Roman Catholicism is cursed, damned, kaput, TILT, Deity-FORSAKEN! If there's a Deity, He/She has removed it's blessing! I hope a sinkhole opens up under the Vatican & swallows it!

You heard of it from the horse's mouth, they're admitted pedos, they approve of pedophilia & they are PROUD OF IT! So blatant! So honest! So evil! SCREW THEM!
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: MadmanJohnson on July 28, 2013, 11:04:05 am
*SNIPPED. Blah, blah blah. Anti-Catholic bullshit.
We're no better than the Anti-Catholic fundies if we spout this. Three words,Spuki. Not So Different.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Her3tiK on July 28, 2013, 11:06:06 am
How anyone can defend and/or remain a part of this institution is genuinely beyond me.
Intentional ignorance. My family gets mad at me, not the RCC, when I bring this shit up.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 28, 2013, 11:28:56 am
*SNIPPED. Blah, blah blah. Anti-Catholic bullshit.
We're no better than the Anti-Catholic fundies if we spout this. Three words,Spuki. Not So Different.
No, we are better. In fact, I'd say anyone who is pro-Catholic is evil, for supporting paedophilia. So, fuck the Catholic Church. You know, any other nation whose primary export was child molestation would be fair game to be hated. But, because it's a religion, suddenly it's evil to hate them. You know why we're better than the anti-Catholic fundies? Because we're against them, too. We're not doing it over a centuries-old church bitch fight.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Dakota Bob on July 28, 2013, 11:42:26 am
*SNIPPED. Blah, blah blah. Anti-Catholic bullshit.
We're no better than the Anti-Catholic fundies if we spout this. Three words,Spuki. Not So Different.
No, we are better. In fact, I'd say anyone who is pro-Catholic is evil, for supporting paedophilia. So, fuck the Catholic Church. You know, any other nation whose primary export was child molestation would be fair game to be hated. But, because it's a religion, suddenly it's evil to hate them. You know why we're better than the anti-Catholic fundies? Because we're against them, too. We're not doing it over a centuries-old church bitch fight.

+1 to this. the RCC isn't giving themselves any reason to be defended.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 28, 2013, 11:56:41 am
*SNIPPED. Blah, blah blah. Anti-Catholic bullshit.
We're no better than the Anti-Catholic fundies if we spout this. Three words,Spuki. Not So Different.

Yes, it's totally unjustified to be pissed off at religious institution for continuing to shelter paedophiles while pretending they are the all-new, all-better, "We really mean it this time guys, look, we got this new Pope who's really good at empty gestures now!" Church. This is the largest religious institution in the world; there's a billion people who, to a greater or lesser degree, think that they speak for the creator of the universe.

Anti-Catholic fundamentalism is hating on the individuals because of what the leaders do. Anti Catholic fundamentalism is claiming the Church is corrupt because it's not your precise flavour of evangelical protestant whatever-the-fuck. Criticising the Church for what it did, does, and will continue to do is perfectly justified, especially when they like to pretend that's all over with.

There's no point in playing the Golden Mean card. Some things deserve to be hated.


[hipster]Of course, I hated Bergoglio well before any of you guys knew who he was[/hipster]
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 28, 2013, 03:07:35 pm
*SNIPPED. Blah, blah blah. Anti-Catholic bullshit.
We're no better than the Anti-Catholic fundies if we spout this. Three words,Spuki. Not So Different.

With all due respect, you have no clue what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Jack Mann on July 28, 2013, 04:22:34 pm
To a small extent, I get what Madman's getting at.  Exaggerating the issue by saying "they're admitted pedos, they approve of pedophilia & they are PROUD OF IT!" is hyperbolic.  Most of them are probably not pedophiles.  Most of them probably don't approve of it, and I'm sure almost none of them are proud of it.

However, despite this, they're covering up pedophilia in a vain attempt to protect the reputation of their institution.  This is arguably worse, since they know it's wrong, but they aren't willing to do what's necessary to protect the victims.  This is one of those situations where "won't someone please think of the children?" is a valid call.

Spuki is a whirling ball of emotions who sometimes fails to stop and form rational thoughts before spouting out hyperbole and exclamation marks.  This can be annoying.  However, it is a far cry from suggesting that the Catholic Church is in league with the devil to bring about the endtimes by creating Islam and Communism.  Her claims are based on reality, even if she's distorted by the lens of her anger and sense of outrage.  The fundies just make shit up to discredit a rival organization.  These things are not equivalent.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: ThunderWulf on July 28, 2013, 04:28:11 pm
How anyone can defend and/or remain a part of this institution is genuinely beyond me.
Intentional ignorance. My family gets mad at me, not the RCC, when I bring this shit up.

Being the only atheist in a Catholic family I can relate all too well.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 28, 2013, 08:32:54 pm
Yeaaaaaaah, I think Spuki was having a go at the Church, not its members...something of a crowbar of separation, in the words of Eddie Izzard.  The Roman Catholic Church is, has been, and likely always will be a backwards, homophobic, transphobic, pedophile-enabling, AIDS-spreading, lying, cheating, swindling sack of the slimiest monkey excrement.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Lithp on July 28, 2013, 10:05:07 pm
Honestly, my understanding for Catholics is pretty goddamn strained. Instead of saying how you don't agree with the church's policies on sex, women priests, pedophilia, the Pope as the divine word of God, etc. just stop identifying as a Roman Catholic. That's literally all I'm asking. I really don't understand why this is so difficult, & imagine the effect it would have if this "silent majority" would simply stop observing the Vatican's authority without actually doing anything else. The Roman Catholic Church would simply have to adapt or die out.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Stormwarden on July 28, 2013, 10:08:47 pm
Nothing against the lay members of the Church. They don't usually have much say in the decisions their leaders use, but the leadership need a blow to the back of the head. You don't do this crap. At all. Is it me, or is it whenever they wish to protect their reputation, it only digs their hole deeper?

Lithp: I think it's a lot more complicated than that, when they can be excommunicated at the drop of a hat. That, and there's matters of tradition, that even now, still bind many a member. But I do agree that something much more drastic needs to be done.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Lithp on July 28, 2013, 10:25:01 pm
If you don't agree with fucking ANYTHING that the Church does, who cares if they kick you out of their club?
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 28, 2013, 10:27:25 pm
Because excommunication is a one-way, irreversible express ticket straight to the bowels of Hell.  Might not work against the likes of us, but for some, that's a damned frightening proposition.

Honestly, I say we just head down there and...appropriate all the treasure and priceless historical artifacts they've plundered over the centuries.  It'd be a good start, at least.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Jack Mann on July 28, 2013, 10:54:42 pm
Well, it's not irreversible.  That's the whole point.  The idea is that they excommunicate you, you feel terrible about it, you repent, grovel at the church's feet, and they decide to let you back in.

Still not something most Catholics want to deal with.

The bigger issue, though, is that most Catholics believe they'll go to hell if they leave the church.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Valerius on July 28, 2013, 10:55:10 pm
Please, by all means, remind me again how the new pope is supposed to be a breath of fresh air, and totally on the side of the common people again...
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 28, 2013, 11:19:03 pm
If you don't agree with fucking ANYTHING that the Church does, who cares if they kick you out of their club?

Note: I don't think fear of excommunication is what keeps Catholics with the Church. Mostly, they don't like the whole paedophilia thing, but don't think it's enough to leave the Church over because they think the RCC is still a positive force, or think it was a problem with the leadership that was already solved because Francis is just awesome like that, or they don't much care for the Vatican but they like Father Pepe, the priest they meet every Sunday during Mass who is totally not a paedophile so why stop visiting him, or whatever other reason. People will have no trouble rationalising excuses to continue doing as they have so far, more so when it's about religion.

However, it's also worth pointing out that excommunication can be hard on you even if you don't care about the Church.

Suppose you live in a mostly-Catholic country, where social events are marked by the Church. Your girlfriend wants to marry through the Church? Can't do that. Your best friend wants you to be the godmother to their kid? Sorry, nope. You have an established social circle you used to go to Mass with? Well, the Church is generous enough that you still can attend (though not receive the Eucharist), but it rather undermines the point of leaving the RCC.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 29, 2013, 07:20:25 am
Yeaaaaaaah, I think Spuki was having a go at the Church, not its members...something of a crowbar of separation, in the words of Eddie Izzard.  The Roman Catholic Church is, has been, and likely always will be a backwards, homophobic, transphobic, pedophile-enabling, AIDS-spreading, lying, cheating, swindling sack of the slimiest monkey excrement.

Yep didn't see anything there hating on the use of rosary beads, Latin, celibate clergy or the veneration of saints.

Protecting child rapists, encouraging bigotry and a host of other other general douchebaggery on the other hand...
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Atheism Exposed on July 29, 2013, 10:53:45 am
Unsurprising news.  This is exactly what one would expect from the Atheist-subsumed Papacy.  For over a thousand years they've been peddling this terror along with their perversion of the True Word of God.

Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 29, 2013, 10:59:09 am
Unsurprising news.  This is exactly what one would expect from the Atheist-subsumed Papacy.  For over a thousand years they've been peddling this terror along with their perversion of the True Word of God.
So, what's it like living in the Mirror Universe? Do the goatees make life more interesting?
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 29, 2013, 11:14:11 am
Unsurprising news.  This is exactly what one would expect from the Atheist-subsumed Papacy.  For over a thousand years they've been peddling this terror along with their perversion of the True Word of God.
So, what's it like living in the Mirror Universe? Do the goatees make life more interesting?

I read that as sayings "goatses" at first...
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: R. U. Sirius on July 29, 2013, 11:19:27 am
Unsurprising news.  This is exactly what one would expect from the Atheist-subsumed Papacy.  For over a thousand years they've been peddling this terror along with their perversion of the True Word of God.
So, what's it like living in the Mirror Universe? Do the goatees make life more interesting?

I read that as sayings "goatses" at first...

Probably still accurate, considering this person's obsession with claiming atheism is responsible for everything from bad cell reception to the Black Plague.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 29, 2013, 11:29:22 am
Unsurprising news.  This is exactly what one would expect from the Atheist-subsumed Papacy.  For over a thousand years they've been peddling this terror along with their perversion of the True Word of God.
So, what's it like living in the Mirror Universe? Do the goatees make life more interesting?

I read that as sayings "goatses" at first...
Make a Star Trek joke, get ripped open anuses.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 29, 2013, 12:50:15 pm
Meh, just ignore Atheism Exposed.  He's a low-grade troll that only comes on here once in a blue moon to spout some bullshit.  If he were talented, and by that I mean entertaining, I'd say play with him, but he's not, much to the detriment of my funny bone.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: MadmanJohnson on July 29, 2013, 12:53:39 pm
Unsurprising news.  This is exactly what one would expect from the Atheist-subsumed Papacy.  For over a thousand years they've been peddling this terror along with their perversion of the True Word of God.
Says the member of the church formed by a monarch so he could get a annulment. About time you stopped lurking.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Barbarella on July 29, 2013, 02:05:17 pm
To a small extent, I get what Madman's getting at.  Exaggerating the issue by saying "they're admitted pedos, they approve of pedophilia & they are PROUD OF IT!" is hyperbolic.  Most of them are probably not pedophiles.  Most of them probably don't approve of it, and I'm sure almost none of them are proud of it.

However, despite this, they're covering up pedophilia in a vain attempt to protect the reputation of their institution.  This is arguably worse, since they know it's wrong, but they aren't willing to do what's necessary to protect the victims.  This is one of those situations where "won't someone please think of the children?" is a valid call.

Spuki is a whirling ball of emotions who sometimes fails to stop and form rational thoughts before spouting out hyperbole and exclamation marks.  This can be annoying.  However, it is a far cry from suggesting that the Catholic Church is in league with the devil to bring about the endtimes by creating Islam and Communism.  Her claims are based on reality, even if she's distorted by the lens of her anger and sense of outrage.  The fundies just make shit up to discredit a rival organization.  These things are not equivalent.

I'm a bit over-the-top but, keep in mind, it's not the RELIGION or RITUALS I have a beef with. Much of it is quite cool...beautiful in fact. In many ways I'm pro-Catholic. I ADORE the Mass, Sacraments, Angels, Saints, Mary, the whole ChristoPagany smells & bells and many things. My beef is with the Vatican as an institution, their backwards social policies concerning women, sex, LGBTs & pedophilia. Sure, there are many Clergy & Religious who are good people who wish to serve Deity & the community & certainly the RC Church is very active in the realms of charities, the arts, sciences, philosophy & music. They, despite all their fundyness, at least don't reject evolution & science (though they're very stupid in regards to sexuality). There's plenty of redeeming features, they just have to crack down on the corruption & change some of their policies, or at least modify them into something far more moderate. They need to embrace Vatican 2 again.

They need to realize that if they admit their wrongs, go hardcore against the pedo-freaks in their midst & focus more on the usual faith, devotion & charity, their reputation & credibility would soar! People will join their ranks! They would be a much better organization.

Charge is hard, minds are hard to change, change must be gradual. These folk's very nature is very conservative, for good or ill. If they don't want women priests, have a vocation known as Deaconess. You have Popes, Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops, Priests, Deacons & Religious Orders (Monastic & otherwise), why not Deaconesses? Someday they'll be open to female Priests, but until then, Deaconesses!

Also, make celibacy optional. Heck, a married couple can become a Priest & Deaconess!

If regular LGBT marriage is a sore spot, have a special union for same-sex & non-childbearing couples. Since these bozos have a hard-on for the idea of "Marriage is for Babies", why not allow this compromise? The legal & secular authorities can still call it a marriage but the church will have a different sort of union for the religious element.

Much of this issue with "pedo-priests" is that there's a bit of a priest-shortage & the church doesn't want to lose any more priests. The above measures I've suggested could alleviate that & the "pedo-tares" amongst the "priest-wheat" can be defrocked & put in prison.

Ideally there should be Women Priests, LGBT Marriage & such but until then, moderate changes.

I admit, my words were way too strong but the utter blatant disregard for decency amongst the Vatican bigwigs is inhuman. On the bright side, they're all a bunch of geezers. When the current crop of geezers in charge croak, the younger generation (many with more open minds) will then take their place.

As for me, I'll just be a NeoPagan & be happy with that....and I am!

Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 29, 2013, 02:06:11 pm
Meh, just ignore Atheism Exposed.  He's a low-grade troll that only comes on here once in a blue moon to spout some bullshit.  If he were talented, and by that I mean entertaining, I'd say play with him, but he's not, much to the detriment of my funny bone.
Meh, on the other page I saw him post on, I played into his paranoid insanity, because I always have wanted to confirm fundies' paranoid ravings, just to watch them become more paranoid.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Barbarella on July 29, 2013, 02:10:42 pm
Meh, just ignore Atheism Exposed.  He's a low-grade troll that only comes on here once in a blue moon to spout some bullshit.  If he were talented, and by that I mean entertaining, I'd say play with him, but he's not, much to the detriment of my funny bone.
Meh, on the other page I saw him post on, I played into his paranoid insanity, because I always have wanted to confirm fundies' paranoid ravings, just to watch them become more paranoid.

Genius move, my friend!
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Dakota Bob on July 29, 2013, 03:18:52 pm
Unsurprising news.  This is exactly what one would expect from the Atheist-subsumed Papacy.  For over a thousand years they've been peddling this terror along with their perversion of the True Word of God.
So, what's it like living in the Mirror Universe? Do the goatees make life more interesting?

I read that as sayings "goatses" at first...
Make a Star Trek joke, get ripped open anuses.

(http://i.imgur.com/AbfeBtW.gif)
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Radiation on July 29, 2013, 04:43:47 pm
Really AE, this atheist conspiracy shit is probably the funniest thing that I have read on here in a long time. Oh do keep it coming, we love entertainment...until it's no longer entertaining.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: ironbite on July 29, 2013, 06:54:54 pm
Unsurprising news.  This is exactly what one would expect from the Atheist-subsumed Papacy.  For over a thousand years they've been peddling this terror along with their perversion of the True Word of God.



Got proof to back that up there buddy?

Ironbite-even shit you've made up will do.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: JohnE on July 29, 2013, 09:22:17 pm
The proof is that they're doing bad things, obviously, and No True Christian would do bad things.

Any bets on whether I've called this one too? How about on whether he'll even respond?
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Valerius on July 29, 2013, 09:26:17 pm
The proof is that they're doing bad things, obviously, and No True Christian would do bad things.

Any bets on whether I've called this one too? How about on whether he'll even respond?

You got this JohnE.

*munches on popcorn and waits to see if/how AE responds*
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: guizonde on July 29, 2013, 09:52:33 pm
fun fact: did you know that canon law actually has a history in a lot of law systems? for instance, in france (and spain, and italy, among others i suppose) canon law has actually inspired the french legislator since around 800 ad, around the time charlemagne got punked into being the pope's personnal warlord and guardian.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Atheism Exposed on July 31, 2013, 07:00:44 am
The proof is that they're doing bad things, obviously, and No True Christian would do bad things.

Any bets on whether I've called this one too? How about on whether he'll even respond?

You got this JohnE.

*munches on popcorn and waits to see if/how AE responds*

You presume much.  Christians are at heart fallible humans.  The difference is we can humble ourselves, repent for our sins and seek forgiveness.

The proof of the atheistic nature of the Vatican is there for all to see.  Perversion and deviancy embraced openly among its membership but hidden from external eyes with an incredibly paranoid fervour.  This pattern has perpetuated itself throughout Atheism ever since the fall of man.  Just look at other atheistic affectations like the Freemasons and Communism. 

Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: guizonde on July 31, 2013, 10:12:05 am

The proof of the atheistic nature of the Vatican is there for all to see.  Perversion and deviancy embraced openly among its membership but hidden from external eyes with an incredibly paranoid fervour.  This pattern has perpetuated itself throughout Atheism ever since the fall of man.  Just look at other atheistic affectations like the Freemasons and Communism.

not to be annoying or adding fuel to the flames, but the freemasons are explicitely deist, as in it's closer to a heretic variant of abrahamic monotheism than it is to atheism (you know, "divine architect" and all that jazz). as for communism, even though it's not my political belief, i don't get the hatred of it by most religious folks. i've always found it to have a strong link to most religions (and common human decency): sharing the wealth, helping out your neighbor, it's going for having a one big family approach (and here you can either go the way of the hippy or the way of the lord's house with all equal under the lord...). i mean sure, 20th century applied communism didn't turn out like that, but in theory, communism is a utopia akin to paradise (or at least the christian equivalent). the ideology popped up in 19th century europe, of course it has parallels to christianity...
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: JohnE on July 31, 2013, 11:40:02 am
The proof is that they're doing bad things, obviously, and No True Christian would do bad things.

Any bets on whether I've called this one too? How about on whether he'll even respond?

You got this JohnE.

*munches on popcorn and waits to see if/how AE responds*

You presume much.  Christians are at heart fallible humans.  The difference is we can humble ourselves, repent for our sins and seek forgiveness.

The proof of the atheistic nature of the Vatican is there for all to see.  Perversion and deviancy embraced openly among its membership but hidden from external eyes with an incredibly paranoid fervour.  This pattern has perpetuated itself throughout Atheism ever since the fall of man.  Just look at other atheistic affectations like the Freemasons and Communism.
So in other words, the proof that they're atheists is that they're doing bad things.

I'm two for two.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 31, 2013, 11:58:01 am
The proof is that they're doing bad things, obviously, and No True Christian would do bad things.

Any bets on whether I've called this one too? How about on whether he'll even respond?

You got this JohnE.

*munches on popcorn and waits to see if/how AE responds*

You presume much.  Christians are at heart fallible humans.  The difference is we can humble ourselves, repent for our sins and seek forgiveness.

The proof of the atheistic nature of the Vatican is there for all to see.  Perversion and deviancy embraced openly among its membership but hidden from external eyes with an incredibly paranoid fervour.  This pattern has perpetuated itself throughout Atheism ever since the fall of man.  Just look at other atheistic affectations like the Freemasons and Communism.
Hey, I find that insulting. I don't make any effort to hide my perversion or deviancy. You see those two crossdressing men in my avatar? I've had numerous sex dreams involving being in a threesome with them.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Meshakhad on July 31, 2013, 02:58:21 pm
Just look at other atheistic affectations like the Freemasons and Communism.

I'll give you Communism, but not Freemasons. In fact, atheists are barred from becoming Masons. I have a very close friend who is a Mason, and I've considered joining myself.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: ironbite on July 31, 2013, 04:06:46 pm
The proof is that they're doing bad things, obviously, and No True Christian would do bad things.

Any bets on whether I've called this one too? How about on whether he'll even respond?

You got this JohnE.

*munches on popcorn and waits to see if/how AE responds*

You presume much.  Christians are at heart fallible humans.  The difference is we can humble ourselves, repent for our sins and seek forgiveness.

The proof of the atheistic nature of the Vatican is there for all to see.  Perversion and deviancy embraced openly among its membership but hidden from external eyes with an incredibly paranoid fervour.  This pattern has perpetuated itself throughout Atheism ever since the fall of man.  Just look at other atheistic affectations like the Freemasons and Communism. 



Man that's a lot of words for saying nothing at all.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Jodie on July 31, 2013, 11:33:07 pm
There are no Christians of any sort.

Jesus was Jewish so if you follow the teachings of Christ... you are Jewish.

Or something.

lol
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Damen on August 01, 2013, 04:33:33 am
I shit you not (http://www.damasotimes.com/2/post/2013/07/21a.html).
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According to the new laws, revealing or receiving confidential Vatican information is now punishable by up to two years in prison, while newly defined sex crimes against children carry a sentence of up to twelve years. Because all sex crimes are kept confidential, there is no longer a legal way for Vatican officials to report sex crimes.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/imgur_9CUtI.gif)
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: TheL on August 04, 2013, 07:44:57 am
Damn it, Vatican.  Quit giving me more reasons to hate you.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 04, 2013, 02:50:10 pm
That said, regarding the title, this isn't about foot fetishists. Yeah, I really hate the usage of "pedo" when it should be "paedo". Pedo = foot. Philia = Love. Paedo = Child. Why do you think devices that measure your footsteps are called pedometers?
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 04, 2013, 03:12:25 pm
Unfortunately, barring the government giving a PSA across the entire country, we're not going to be using paedophile instead of pedophile anytime soon.

And I think the government has better things to give a PSA over than the proper use of the words.

Besides, people would still use pedophile, and several would probably thing that "changing" pedo to paedo is a government conspiracy.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 04, 2013, 03:19:14 pm
Unfortunately, barring the government giving a PSA across the entire country, we're not going to be using paedophile instead of pedophile anytime soon.

And I think the government has better things to give a PSA over than the proper use of the words.

Besides, people would still use pedophile, and several would probably thing that "changing" pedo to paedo is a government conspiracy.
Most of the world uses "paedo". It's just us here that use "pedo". Still, it's just a nitpick. Although, I do love watching everyone get so pissed at foot fetishists (not because I hate them, but because it's funny).
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 04, 2013, 03:51:46 pm
While I do prefer paedo- to pedo-, it's worth noting that foot fetishists are called podophiles.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 04, 2013, 03:56:12 pm
While I do prefer paedo- to pedo-, it's worth noting that foot fetishists are called podophiles.
Really? Why do both podo and pedo mean the same? Or did that happen because of the pedo issue?
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 04, 2013, 04:22:38 pm
I just prefer the term "foot fetishist" anyways because you say podophile and people will give you strange looks (even outside America) but if you say foot fetishist, people will say "Ohhh."

...Then give you strange looks.  Despite it being one of the most common fetishes.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 04, 2013, 04:37:33 pm
I just prefer the term "foot fetishist" anyways because you say podophile and people will give you strange looks (even outside America) but if you say foot fetishist, people will say "Ohhh."

...Then give you strange looks.  Despite it being one of the most common fetishes.
Most common after tits and ass, actually.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 04, 2013, 06:59:27 pm
While I do prefer paedo- to pedo-, it's worth noting that foot fetishists are called podophiles.
Really? Why do both podo and pedo mean the same? Or did that happen because of the pedo issue?

From what I understand, pod- is Greek and ped- is Latin.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 04, 2013, 07:02:15 pm
I just prefer the term "foot fetishist" anyways because you say podophile and people will give you strange looks (even outside America) but if you say foot fetishist, people will say "Ohhh."

...Then give you strange looks.  Despite it being one of the most common fetishes.
Most common after tits and ass, actually.

And bondage.
Title: Re: Exposing pedophiles now a crime by RCC law
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 05, 2013, 09:11:02 am
While I do prefer paedo- to pedo-, it's worth noting that foot fetishists are called podophiles.
Really? Why do both podo and pedo mean the same? Or did that happen because of the pedo issue?

From what I understand, pod- is Greek and ped- is Latin.

Greek and Latin, fucking up your prefixes for over 2,500 years!