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General Category => Forum Games => Topic started by: MaybeNever on January 04, 2012, 04:57:47 am
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I remember we jettisoned the karma system on the old board, possibly via giant mechanical steam-powered brass cannon, because it became this whole thing over there. The thing it became may have been a robot. Made of lava. And nobody wants that. So are we going to keep it here on a trial basis, or what's the story there?
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I am neutral on the existence of the exalt system. I do remember it turning into a sizable clusterfuck, though.
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I am told it is merely temporary.
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I've never used karma on any of my other forums, so I am ambivalent.
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If it's made of lava, then we can play Hot Lava!
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Considering it's purely cosmetic, I can take it or leave it.
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I generally dislike "karma" and voting on posts, at least judging by couple other forums I used to visit. It seemed to turn them into popularity contests where people say popular things to get voted up, while dissenting opinion gets voted down. Basically, it's an invitation for groupthink, provincialism, and Person X bawwwing because their karma is less than Person Y They Don't Like. Still, I dunno if that would actually happen here, because the people here at least tend to be more intelligent and objective than your average person. (C'mon, you know it's true.)
Either way, it is pretty silly and pointless, but if it doesn't cause any problems, who cares?
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I generally dislike "karma" and voting on posts, at least judging by couple other forums I used to visit. It seemed to turn them into popularity contests where people say popular things to get voted up, while dissenting opinion gets voted down. Basically, it's an invitation for groupthink, provincialism, and Person X bawwwing because their karma is less than Person Y They Don't Like. Still, I dunno if that would actually happen here, because the people here at least tend to be more intelligent and objective than your average person. (C'mon, you know it's true.)
Either way, it is pretty silly and pointless, but if it doesn't cause any problems, who cares?
Funnily enough, pretty much the exact drama you described is why it was canned back on the proboards forum?
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I generally dislike "karma" and voting on posts, at least judging by couple other forums I used to visit. It seemed to turn them into popularity contests where people say popular things to get voted up, while dissenting opinion gets voted down. Basically, it's an invitation for groupthink, provincialism, and Person X bawwwing because their karma is less than Person Y They Don't Like. Still, I dunno if that would actually happen here, because the people here at least tend to be more intelligent and objective than your average person. (C'mon, you know it's true.)
Either way, it is pretty silly and pointless, but if it doesn't cause any problems, who cares?
Funnily enough, pretty much the exact drama you described is why it was canned back on the proboards forum?
Not at all surprising. In that case, burn it with fire.
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Still, I dunno if that would actually happen here, because the people here at least tend to be more intelligent and objective than your average person. (C'mon, you know it's true.)
I dunno. I’ve seen enough bickering in my short time on the other board. Kinda ruined a few topics for me as it was.
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Still, I dunno if that would actually happen here, because the people here at least tend to be more intelligent and objective than your average person. (C'mon, you know it's true.)
I dunno. I’ve seen enough bickering in my short time on the other board. Kinda ruined a few topics for me as it was.
Well, we do have our fair share of wankery, but the good people more than make up for it.
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What family doesn't bicker?
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It is my goal to collect as many smites as possible before the system is scrapped.
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It is my goal to collect as many smites as possible before the system is scrapped.
I can help with that.
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It is my goal to collect as many smites as possible before the system is scrapped.
Well, if you insist.
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That's just cause you like getting smitten.
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Newsflash: Despite our similar levels of awesomeness, I am not Antichrist.
THERE WILL BE PAYBACK FOR THIS BECAUSE I AM ALWAYS THE MOST +1'EST FORUMITE EVER AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT
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I can't stop laughing at your avatar, Shy.
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I can't stop laughing at YOUR FACE.
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I keep telling you people, I don't have a face.
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I feel this is revelant:
(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/funny-pictures-your-face-would-have-ruined-the-picture.jpg)
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We can't all be beautiful like you :(
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We can't all be beautiful like you :(
You'll always be beautiful in my heart. So get in there. THE DOOR IS OPEN.
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Is it possible to disable the Smite option and keep just the
Karma Exalt one?
Cause I believe that giving people points for good posts is awesome and totally worth it.
I think it would be cool if we could keep one and can the other. :3
(Edited to fix Karma to Exalt)
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What family doesn't bicker?
True enough. But good families generally avoid grudge-induced bickering. It’s not the bickering I dislike so much as it having more to do with baggage than the actual topic at hand.
It is my goal to collect as many smites as possible before the system is scrapped.
Very well then. Courtesy Smite!
Is it possible to disable the Smite option and keep just the Karma one? Cause I believe that giving people points for good posts is awesome and totally worth it. I think it would be cool if we could keep one and can the other. :3
I’d be cool with that. Keep it all up with the Positive Reinforcement.
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I just noticed that the exalt/smite system has been reinstated. I don't want to speak for everyone, but in my personal experience, every single instance of this system has resulted in popularity contests, trolling opportunities, and general whininess. I've been on other forums and sites that used this system, and it wasn't unusual for the "older" members to gang up and "smite" the users they didn't like. (Some people took their internet reputations a little too seriously.)
If there is any way to remove this system, I think it should be done. On the old forum, I remember some other users complaining that the system only lasted for a week before it devolved into complete flamewar.
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I’ve never actually been on a forum with any sort of Karma system before. However, I have heard recommendations on “Exaltâ€Â-only systems. Do you have any experience with that?
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I’ve never actually been on a forum with any sort of Karma system before. However, I have heard recommendations on “Exaltâ€Â-only systems. Do you have any experience with that?
I think there was one forum that had something like this. It was called a "thank" system where you could "thank" a person's post if you liked it. You could take your thanks back, but there was no way to take away thanks you did not give. The problem was not as overt, but there was a subtle prejudice. If a new user who didn't have as many thanks disagreed or went up against a user who had accumulated many, then that person would be drummed out because "How dare they go up against this prestigious and respected older user!" (Even if that person wasn't a mod.)
I'm mostly against the system because it divides the users, makes newbies feel alienated, and creates a system where users are judged based on how long they've been around instead of the merit of their ideas.
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http://forums.fstdt.net/general-discussion/are-we-keeping-karma/
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I’ve never actually been on a forum with any sort of Karma system before. However, I have heard recommendations on “Exaltâ€Â-only systems. Do you have any experience with that?
I think there was one forum that had something like this. It was called a "thank" system where you could "thank" a person's post if you liked it. You could take your thanks back, but there was no way to take away thanks you did not give. The problem was not as overt, but there was a subtle prejudice. If a new user who didn't have as many thanks disagreed or went up against a user who had accumulated many, then that person would be drummed out because "How dare they go up against this prestigious and respected older user!" (Even if that person wasn't a mod.)
Yeah. I can see that. I think the only way to really reduce that kind of thing would be to build it to create a rating weighted with respect to age of poster, post count, and current rating. Also, Thanks/Exalts/Whatever-you-want-to-call-them should have an expiration date.
Gets kinda complicated, doesn’t it?
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Took me about 10 minutes to figure out how to merge the topics because I could not see the topic ID. :U
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I'm on another forum where it works more like facebook's likes, where the likes only show up on the post in question. Works pretty well and it cuts down on spam there since there's not a few dozen pages of "Yeah, I agree with Sue." They just click like on the post instead. Not that that's a problem here but it would be over there.
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Yes. 9 smites!
In seriousness, though, I like the idea of having only exalts, if it's actually possible to do that without having to hack the forum's code to death.
We can't all be beautiful like you :(
You'll always be beautiful in my heart. So get in there. THE DOOR IS OPEN.
Great, now I'm stuck in your mitral valve.
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I generally dislike "karma" and voting on posts, at least judging by couple other forums I used to visit. It seemed to turn them into popularity contests where people say popular things to get voted up, while dissenting opinion gets voted down. Basically, it's an invitation for groupthink, provincialism, and Person X bawwwing because their karma is less than Person Y They Don't Like. Still, I dunno if that would actually happen here, because the people here at least tend to be more intelligent and objective than your average person. (C'mon, you know it's true.)
Either way, it is pretty silly and pointless, but if it doesn't cause any problems, who cares?
In other words, reddit.
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What exactly does karma do?
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What exactly does karma do?
Feeds and destroys people's egos, basically.
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And turns people into melodramatic nutcases.
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And turns people into melodramatic nutcases.
*smites*
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Bitch, don't you even.
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I generally dislike "karma" and voting on posts, at least judging by couple other forums I used to visit. It seemed to turn them into popularity contests where people say popular things to get voted up, while dissenting opinion gets voted down. Basically, it's an invitation for groupthink, provincialism, and Person X bawwwing because their karma is less than Person Y They Don't Like. Still, I dunno if that would actually happen here, because the people here at least tend to be more intelligent and objective than your average person. (C'mon, you know it's true.)
Either way, it is pretty silly and pointless, but if it doesn't cause any problems, who cares?
In other words, reddit.
Yup.
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Bitch, don't you even.
Guess what I just did?
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I KNOW YOU DI'INT.
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In seriousness, though, I like the idea of having only exalts, if it's actually possible to do that without having to hack the forum's code to death.
But I like smiting people. I honestly can't view the system as anything more than a toy. Which is why I will only smite people if I actually like them. I don't want to play with people I don't like.
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What exactly does karma do?
It is an attempt to allow posters to wear their reputations on their sleeves. If a particularly poster is an all around cool person, he or she would theoretically have a pretty high positive karma. Likewise, some asshole that manages to just skirt getting banned, would supposedly have high negative karma. It is meant to give newbies and other people unfamiliar with a particular poster some idea of that poster’s credibility.
That’s the theory, anyway. But, as has been pointed out, actual practice generally results in easily gameable popularity contests.
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In seriousness, though, I like the idea of having only exalts, if it's actually possible to do that without having to hack the forum's code to death.
But I like smiting people. I honestly can't view the system as anything more than a toy. Which is why I will only smite people if I actually like them. I don't want to play with people I don't like.
Ohh, smite me, Vene. Smite me so hard. ;)
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I definitely support complete removal of the karma (or any similar) forum systems.
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I am kind of whatever about it. I like the system, but I know that a lot of people get upset when someone smites them.
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In seriousness, though, I like the idea of having only exalts, if it's actually possible to do that without having to hack the forum's code to death.
But I like smiting people. I honestly can't view the system as anything more than a toy. Which is why I will only smite people if I actually like them. I don't want to play with people I don't like.
Ohh, smite me, Vene. Smite me so hard. ;)
I'll smite you like you've never been smote before.
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Maybe we should have a poll to determine whether or not to keep the karma system.
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Fuck Karma. And bitches. Then get money.
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Karma sucks. I can't get anything done with her.
Ironbite-much perfer Janna.
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In seriousness, though, I like the idea of having only exalts, if it's actually possible to do that without having to hack the forum's code to death.
But I like smiting people. I honestly can't view the system as anything more than a toy. Which is why I will only smite people if I actually like them. I don't want to play with people I don't like.
Ohh, smite me, Vene. Smite me so hard. ;)
I'll smite you like you've never been smote before.
Ohh, yes. <3 Hurts so good.
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Out of curiosity: Is there any way to see which posts earned your karma for you?
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Out of curiosity: Is there any way to see which posts earned your karma for you?
I like this idea a lot I must say. It should makes it a lot easier to tell if a change in karma is because of a great/shitty post or just for the sake of drama.
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Out of curiosity: Is there any way to see which posts earned your karma for you?
I like this idea a lot I must say. It should makes it a lot easier to tell if a change in karma is because of a great/shitty post or just for the sake of drama.
Nope.
Out of curiosity: Is there any way to see which posts earned your karma for you?
Nope x2
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Damn. Was kinda hoping I could figure out where this +2 floating under my name suddenly came from. :(
Not cause it’s important. Just never had any Karma on this or any other board before. So it’s all novelty right now. Like a new toy! :D
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Now I'm +11/-1 and wondering where the -1 came from. ???
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Yeah I've stopped caring bout Karma.
Ironbite-it's not like the rep system on vbuillitian so you can't check out who's exulted or smited
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Now I'm +11/-1 and wondering where the -1 came from. ???
It came from my butt.
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I’ve never actually been on a forum with any sort of Karma system before. However, I have heard recommendations on “Exaltâ€Â-only systems. Do you have any experience with that?
Facebook?
Although that's per post, and not overall.
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As I recall, only WMDKitty was REALLY bothered by the karma system, but there was a lot of annoyance &/or confusion over being smitten & not knowing WHY. The idea was that having something that said, effectively, "31 people thought you were a twat" wasn't constructive. You didn't know what they didn't like or why. You didn't know how to react because you weren't sure if it was drama-whoring, a joke, or someone actually had a beef with you.
That, coupled with the fact that most people have never witnessed a positive reaction with karma on any given forum, led to it being struck down.
And I was inclined to agree. I think that either we should just treat the karma system as a complete joke, or strike it down.
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I'm trying to figure out how I pissed off 11 people enough to click smite.
Ironbite-unless they're just trollin'.
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I'm guessing my smite was Vene.
I feel loved.
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I'm trying to figure out how I pissed off 11 people enough to click smite.
Ironbite-unless they're just trollin'.
I'm guessing you moulted all over the furniture again.
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I'm guessing my smite was Vene.
I feel loved.
I don't remember, but it's possible. I like smiting people. I'm gonna smite everyone on this page.
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I would like it if you could know either who exalted/smote you, or at least what posts it happened on.
I'm assuming that my smites resulted from the "Smite me hard!!" joke earlier in this thread, but I have no way of knowing if it's that, or if I said something stupid again and just don't realize it.
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I would like it if you could know either who exalted/smote you, or at least what posts it happened on.
I'm assuming that my smites resulted from the "Smite me hard!!" joke earlier in this thread, but I have no way of knowing if it's that, or if I said something stupid again and just don't realize it.
This is why I really do have to view it as a toy instead of serious feedback. If it was serious feedback then I'd have to know where it came from.
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Even when the forum software has a serious feedback feature, like Invisions' for example, it's still nothing more than a toy/popularity contest. Because the systems don't force you to leave feedback.
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Oh, I know a way to have it so they leave feedback!
You rely on people posting a response instead of a karma system.
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Even when the forum software has a serious feedback feature, like Invisions' for example, it's still nothing more than a toy/popularity contest. Because the systems don't force you to leave feedback.
Yeah, any serious system would have to require feedback as well as subject such feedback to moderation in order to help make sure the feedback is actually meaningful. Which would, of course, increase the moderators’ workload.
Gotta join the “It’s just a toy†crowd here.
Oh, I know a way to have it so they leave feedback!
You rely on people posting a response instead of a karma system.
I dunno. That sounds kinda radical. ;)
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And possibly anti-semitic.
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WMDKitty had many issues, some her doing and some not, of which Karma was only one.
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I think it would be best to be rid of karma, as it is doomed to lead to a disaster no matter what.
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We are only doomed if we give karma more importance that it deserves (i.e. any at all)
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Yeah. So far, I have yet to see anyone treat it with any importance. It just may be possible that if the current crop of posters can keep that attitude it could stay ingrained within the board culture.
Maybe.
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If people aren't mature and level headed enough to treat something like karma as a toy, I don't think I want to deal with them on the forum anyway.
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I'd give people a little leeway for that. It's not too hard to see negative karma as a guage of how many people think you're stupid & should be ridiculed at every corner. Particularly because that's how it tends to turn out on other sites.
Also, joining a new forum (particularly one that has me in it) is a rocky road at best.
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Also, joining a new forum (particularly one that has me in it) is a rocky road at best.
It's an ice cream that many people find to be delicious? Why aren't we using that to attract more people?
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You people & your unconventional creatively named ice creams disgust me.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!@ I KEEP GETTING SMITED AND DON'T KNOW WHY!
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I AM UPSET THAT I CANNOT SMITE OR EXALT MYSELF.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!@ I KEEP GETTING SMITED AND DON'T KNOW WHY!
Like I said, you keep dropping your feathers all over the place. You know how tedious that is to clean up?
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!@ I KEEP GETTING SMITED AND DON'T KNOW WHY!
Have an exalt.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!@ I KEEP GETTING SMITED AND DON'T KNOW WHY!
Have an exalt.
Smite ya baby one more time?
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It always struck me as harmless fun. Still does. Discrepancies of opinion suggest that this is a topic worth discussing, but perhaps it should not be considered, like, you know, serious.
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Is there any way to tell which post got you the smite? I don't mind being smited for difference of opinion or what have you, but I would like to know what earned to proverbial bitch-slap.
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Is there any way to tell which post got you the smite? I don't mind being smited for difference of opinion or what have you, but I would like to know what earned to proverbial bitch-slap.
No, you can't. This is why it is a toy. I've gone and smote/exalted everybody on a page before just because I could. I know I'm not the only one who has been fucking with it. It does not represent anything of any significance.
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I exalt and smite people to make their karma nicer numbers. For example, now Vene's positive and negative Karma are both multiples of 7.
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I exalt and smite people to make their karma nicer numbers. For example, now Vene's positive and negative Karma are both multiples of 7.
I was gonna smite you at first, but then I decided 6/0 was better than 5/1.
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So on another board I go to (actually a vBulletin board), there's a reputation system that's much akin to karma. The difference is that people can only give non-negative values to other. Yes, they can give zero, but they can't subtract from other people's score.
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Another forum I use has a system where your karma (or rep as it's called in those parts) isn't a direct representation of the amount of + or - others give you, but only goes up or down when a certain net number of other posters (I've no idea what the exact number is) either + or - one post in a single direction. Not something I would generally recommend, as rep-related drama still exists and tends to involve either groups of posters down or up repping all of a single user's posts or single person making many alternate accounts to do the same, though it may work quite nicely over here if the amount of exalts or smites on a single post is around 70% of the number of regular posters (or some other high but otherwise arbitrary percentage) and the majority of the forum avoids using it as a tool for drama.
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Did you know if you smite or exalt someone you can not do the opposite to the same person in a different post on the same thread?
I was playing with the shiny new toy, hit smite, decided I liked it better when the person had an even number of exalt/smite, went to hit exalt and it switched my smite to an exalt instead of evening them out. *is just tired enough to be amused by this*
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I just treat it as an amusing little toy, nothing that really tells me how people view me. If I did I'd go mad trying to figure out what I said that was so bad to earn me so many smites.
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Have an exalt on the house for being so awesome.
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Did you know if you smite or exalt someone you can not do the opposite to the same person in a different post on the same thread?
I was playing with the shiny new toy, hit smite, decided I liked it better when the person had an even number of exalt/smite, went to hit exalt and it switched my smite to an exalt instead of evening them out. *is just tired enough to be amused by this*
You can't smite or exalt the same person twice within an hour.