Worst of Social Justice

[Ghoti]

Oh look at the time, it's "UP is transphobic" 'o clock! Guess what, "I'm not attracted to women" and "I don't want to have sex with someone with a vagina" are, in fact, two different statements that mean two different things.

[Svata]

Oh look at the time, it's "UP is transphobic" 'o clock! Guess what, "I'm not attracted to women" and "I don't want to have sex with someone with a vagina" are, in fact, two different statements that mean two different things.

Just to be completely fair, there is a great deal of overlap, and it it possibile for one to say one and mean both. Not that it really matters, because you're still right.

[guizonde]

say that a boy can have a vagina, and people think it's cool. say that one girl has a mustache, and all of a sudden she hates you...

more seriously, the only thing that bugs me about the post is the dubious sentence structure. it's still very true and i agree with it.

i mean, what is there to handle a vagina? it's on the pelvis, about a hand's size, if anything a scrotum is more challenging to handle...

[Ultimate Paragon]

Well, honestly, to me it came off as them saying gay men should have sex with pre-op transmen because social justice.

[guizonde]

Well, honestly, to me it came off as them saying gay men should have sex with pre-op transmen because social justice.

that too, but i preferred to go with humor rather than witness horseshoe theory in action again. once again, "nobody is entitled to sex, nobody has the obligation to have sex with anyone else".

[davedan]

There was nothing in the post which said anything about people having to have sex with each other. It seemed purely about erasing trans identity. To say that transmen aren't real boys, like pinnochio.

[niam2023]

Yeah, Ultie, there's no denying you kind of made a bad show in this one.

[Eiki-mun]

Yeah, that was... no.

[niam2023]

Who wants to bet he'll pull a No You and cite some example of bad form I've had.

[ironbite]

Isn't that called an ad hom argument?

[guizonde]

Isn't that called an ad hom argument?

does that make chewing your opponent an ad hom nom nom argument?

[Ultimate Paragon]

Yeah, Ultie, there's no denying you kind of made a bad show in this one.

How, exactly?  Maybe my interpretation is incorrect, I'm willing to acknowledge that possibility, but can you seriously blame me for making it in the first place?

By the way, I'm not transphobic, Ghoti.

[Ghoti]

How, exactly?  Maybe my interpretation is incorrect, I'm willing to acknowledge that possibility, but can you seriously blame me for making it in the first place?

Yes, I seriously can. You assumed that vagina = female and that gay men would automatically turn down a pre-op trans man because "ew vagina". Now, if the post had said something like "omfg quit refusing to sleep with people just because they're trans" then you might have had a point, because no one (cis or trans) is entitled to sex from anyone else. But that's not what the post says; it's just pointing out that vagina ≠ female. (I could point out that some rando's two-note post is hardly the forefront of Social Justice™ but I'm not going to bother.)

By the way, I'm not transphobic, Ghoti.

[Ultimate Paragon]

How, exactly?  Maybe my interpretation is incorrect, I'm willing to acknowledge that possibility, but can you seriously blame me for making it in the first place?

Yes, I seriously can. You assumed that vagina = female and that gay men would automatically turn down a pre-op trans man because "ew vagina". Now, if the post had said something like "omfg quit refusing to sleep with people just because they're trans" then you might have had a point, because no one (cis or trans) is entitled to sex from anyone else. But that's not what the post says; it's just pointing out that vagina ≠ female. (I could point out that some rando's two-note post is hardly the forefront of Social Justice™ but I'm not going to bother.)

Ever heard of dog-whistle language?  I've heard this exact rhetoric from those types.

By the way, I'm not transphobic, Ghoti.

Real mature.

[Ghoti]

How, exactly?  Maybe my interpretation is incorrect, I'm willing to acknowledge that possibility, but can you seriously blame me for making it in the first place?

Yes, I seriously can. You assumed that vagina = female and that gay men would automatically turn down a pre-op trans man because "ew vagina". Now, if the post had said something like "omfg quit refusing to sleep with people just because they're trans" then you might have had a point, because no one (cis or trans) is entitled to sex from anyone else. But that's not what the post says; it's just pointing out that vagina ≠ female. (I could point out that some rando's two-note post is hardly the forefront of Social Justice™ but I'm not going to bother.)

Ever heard of dog-whistle language?  I've heard this exact rhetoric from those types.

Yes, I have in fact heard of dog-whistle language , and I don't think this is it. Who's "those types", exactly? Where else have you heard that with the intended meaning of "gay men should sleep with women because otherwise they're transphobic"?