Comedian facing tribunal over a joke

[mellenORL]

Welded the thread shut, Mojo. XD

[Ultimate Paragon]

I've already shown that hate speech laws have actually helped the Golden Dawn.

[The_Queen]

I've already shown that hate speech laws have actually helped the Golden Dawn.

Which is tangential to the fucking discussion that you started and that we gave you two weeks to inform us about. We're not being vague or opaque: we've said what we wanted several times. You just choose not to listen because you have nothing to argue on that point. The thread is done.

Seriously, the only good thing to come from this thread since I gave you the two weeks was Chesterton joining and Even Then's promotion from kid to dude. Though, in a round about way, you did kind of cause those things with your constant red herrings and strawmen.

[pyro]

Welded the thread shut, Mojo. XD

Unfortunately, the only people who can actually do that are moderators.

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

I've already shown that hate speech laws have actually helped the Golden Dawn.

Or there's a perfectly reasonable alternative hypotheses that could be drawn which is that Greece's economic woes increased the appeal of both socialist and Fascist parties and banning either isn't going to make the ferociously angry people of Greece any happier or less likely to support them.

There was more going on in Greece than governments trying to ban naughty Fascists for being naughty. Also, Greece is a fair way away from Canada. Were we going to get to Canada eventually?

[Ultimate Paragon]

I've already shown that hate speech laws have actually helped the Golden Dawn.

Or there's a perfectly reasonable alternative hypotheses that could be drawn which is that Greece's economic woes increased the appeal of both socialist and Fascist parties and banning either isn't going to make the ferociously angry people of Greece any happier or less likely to support them.

There was more going on in Greece than governments trying to ban naughty Fascists for being naughty. Also, Greece is a fair way away from Canada. Were we going to get to Canada eventually?

My point is that if it's happened in Greece, it can happen in Canada.

[Even Then]

Government-level confrontation of an issue is to blame for said issue flaring up now. Anti-murder laws are directly responsible for school shootings. Everything you know is wrong; black is white, up is down and short is long. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

I've already shown that hate speech laws have actually helped the Golden Dawn.

Or there's a perfectly reasonable alternative hypotheses that could be drawn which is that Greece's economic woes increased the appeal of both socialist and Fascist parties and banning either isn't going to make the ferociously angry people of Greece any happier or less likely to support them.

There was more going on in Greece than governments trying to ban naughty Fascists for being naughty. Also, Greece is a fair way away from Canada. Were we going to get to Canada eventually?

My point is that if it's happened in Greece, it can happen in Canada.

The emergence of a popular fascist movement following an economic collapse that then gets banned by the government of the day. It could, yeah.

Are we entering the realm of speculative fiction and alternative histories now? Because while that's a lot of fun it's still doesn't resemble the critique of the Canadian legal system that was promised.

[Ultimate Paragon]

Alright.  Moving on, then.

Let's talk about Canada's judicial appointments.  They're some of the least transparent, most corrupt in the world.

The fact that the Canadian Prime Minister has the sole say in determining who's on the Supreme Court would be laughable if it wasn't so scary.  The fact that Canucks are expected to just blindly trust that their head of government chose qualified, honest justices seems very undemocratic to me.  Imagine if the Canadian equivalent of some teahadi extremist becomes PM.  I mean, the country's previous PM was a global warming denier, so it's not too much of a stretch.  Do you really want somebody like that with complete control over who gets to sit on the country's highest bench?

It gets even scarier.  Did you know that the Prime Minister sometimes outsources judicial appointments?  Since your average Canadian PM has a lot on his or her plate, they sometimes give a committee of lawyers responsibility for them.  The lawyers pick names, and the PM generally rubberstamps them.  Now, delegating authority is hardly unusual, but when you consider what these committees are like, it becomes worrying.  These committees are dominated by members of federal and provincial bar associations.  Do you know what this is?  This is special interest control over a crucial, vital government function.  It's absolutely crazy.

[Canadian Mojo]

I've already shown that hate speech laws have actually helped the Golden Dawn.

Where? A post I missed, once upon a time in some other thread or on some other board, or just in your head?

As far I can can see all you said about Golden Dawn is

And Greece has the Golden Dawn.  France has the National Front.  Sweden has the Sweden Democrats.  Fact is, hate speech laws don't stop hateful people from getting political support.

Failing to stop is a far cry from helping and I will credit you with enough intelligence to know the difference so don't go pretending you have proven anything when we all know you have done no such thing. If you would like to rectify that situation and actually prove your claim, be my guest, but it won't change the fact that it is at best tangentially related your central claim of their being a deficiency in the Canadian legal system. Given how we have had actual fucking separatists who wished to dissolve the Canadian union running a province as well as being the official opposition party at the federal level and they suffered absolutely no sanction for it, I would say any attempt at drawing between us and Greece is rather farcical. 

[Ultimate Paragon]

I've already shown that hate speech laws have actually helped the Golden Dawn.

Where? A post I missed, once upon a time in some other thread or on some other board, or just in your head?

As far I can can see all you said about Golden Dawn is

And Greece has the Golden Dawn.  France has the National Front.  Sweden has the Sweden Democrats.  Fact is, hate speech laws don't stop hateful people from getting political support.

Failing to stop is a far cry from helping and I will credit you with enough intelligence to know the difference so don't go pretending you have proven anything when we all know you have done no such thing. If you would like to rectify that situation and actually prove your claim, be my guest, but it won't change the fact that it is at best tangentially related your central claim of their being a deficiency in the Canadian legal system. Given how we have had actual fucking separatists who wished to dissolve the Canadian union running a province as well as being the official opposition party at the federal level and they suffered absolutely no sanction for it, I would say any attempt at drawing between us and Greece is rather farcical. 

Here you go:

http://mic.com/articles/81631/jail-time-is-only-making-greece-s-neo-nazi-politicians-martyrs

Did I mention it's happening in Hungary too?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/american-racist-richard-spencer-gets-to-play-the-martyr-in-hungary.html

[The_Queen]

Alright.  Moving on, then.

Let's talk about Canada's judicial appointments.  They're some of the least transparent, most corrupt in the world.

The fact that the Canadian Prime Minister has the sole say in determining who's on the Supreme Court would be laughable if it wasn't so scary.  The fact that Canucks are expected to just blindly trust that their head of government chose qualified, honest justices seems very undemocratic to me.  Imagine if the Canadian equivalent of some teahadi extremist becomes PM.  I mean, the country's previous PM was a global warming denier, so it's not too much of a stretch.  Do you really want somebody like that with complete control over who gets to sit on the country's highest bench?

It gets even scarier.  Did you know that the Prime Minister sometimes outsources judicial appointments?  Since your average Canadian PM has a lot on his or her plate, they sometimes give a committee of lawyers responsibility for them.  The lawyers pick names, and the PM generally rubberstamps them.  Now, delegating authority is hardly unusual, but when you consider what these committees are like, it becomes worrying.  These committees are dominated by members of federal and provincial bar associations.  Do you know what this is?  This is special interest control over a crucial, vital government function.  It's absolutely crazy.

1. We've already talked about this, I think it was Dpareja that made you look like a clown that time.
2. There is a difference between "these Canadian laws and their enforcement is completely stupid" and "judicial appointments" and "Sweden/Greece/France/Timbuktu HUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR." We want you to talk about the first one. You keep trying to bring up the latter two.

[dpareja]

Alright.  Moving on, then.

Let's talk about Canada's judicial appointments.  They're some of the least transparent, most corrupt in the world.

The fact that the Canadian Prime Minister has the sole say in determining who's on the Supreme Court would be laughable if it wasn't so scary.  The fact that Canucks are expected to just blindly trust that their head of government chose qualified, honest justices seems very undemocratic to me.  Imagine if the Canadian equivalent of some teahadi extremist becomes PM.  I mean, the country's previous PM was a global warming denier, so it's not too much of a stretch.  Do you really want somebody like that with complete control over who gets to sit on the country's highest bench?

It gets even scarier.  Did you know that the Prime Minister sometimes outsources judicial appointments?  Since your average Canadian PM has a lot on his or her plate, they sometimes give a committee of lawyers responsibility for them.  The lawyers pick names, and the PM generally rubberstamps them.  Now, delegating authority is hardly unusual, but when you consider what these committees are like, it becomes worrying.  These committees are dominated by members of federal and provincial bar associations.  Do you know what this is?  This is special interest control over a crucial, vital government function.  It's absolutely crazy.

1. We've already talked about this, I think it was Dpareja that made you look like a clown that time.
2. There is a difference between "these Canadian laws and their enforcement is completely stupid" and "judicial appointments" and "Sweden/Greece/France/Timbuktu HUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR." We want you to talk about the first one. You keep trying to bring up the latter two.

If you were referring to this post:

http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=7224.msg292801#msg292801

then, yes, I've been over how the judicial appointments process in Canada--and the strong constitutional conventions that go with it--keeps the system fair and unbiased. I hope to hell that we never get the sort of partisan grilling and "litmus tests" Supreme Court nominees in the US go through, and I especially hope that we never get the horrifically undemocratic travesty of elected judges.

Oh, and that global warming denier? He appointed 8 judges to the Supreme Court during his tenure, seven of whom still sit (one of his appointments replaced his first), and there hasn't been any noticeable shift in the Court's jurisprudence.

We also don't have the bullshit of "Republican-/Democratic-appointed judges step down under Republican/Democratic presidents". One of Harper's appointees, Thomas Cromwell, is stepping down effective September 1:

http://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/news/en/item/5189/index.do

Oh, wait, he can't do that, a Liberal's in office! Yeah, fuck that.

[davedan]

The worst thing about your post paragon is the seething dishonesty. Even your link had no basis for alleging corruption. You mucus covered maggot.

[Canadian Mojo]

You know what else is crazy? Letting a political party turn a crucial judicial appointment into a pissy little bullshit game because they don't like the nigger in chief. The real kick in the balls is they are ignoring their constitutional obligations in order to do it and aren't suffering any consequences for it.

Think about that for a minute and then ask yourself how secure you really feel in your constitutional protections now.

It's also obvious that you just don't get how the system works up here. It's also obvious you don't read what people are telling you since dpareja already explained all of this right here in this thread.


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Isn't that cute, "did I mention... ?" No you didn't, and even you know that, you delusional fuckwit. How about you put on your big boy pants, make your case clearly and in it's entirety, and stop prancing around the issue with the grace of a toddler in a tu-tu and a full diaper.