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Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« on: July 24, 2014, 09:12:22 pm »
http://www.salon.com/2014/07/21/ken_ham_wants_to_end_the_u_s_space_program_because_aliens_can%E2%80%99t_have_salvation/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Yep, Ken Ham is up to his usual Answers in Genesis antics again. The focus of his (and, according to him, God's) ire is NASA, for attempting to contact aliens that, according to him, will be going to hell anyway. Quite odd, considering NASA
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  • is not affiliated with any church body, and as such is not responsible for proselytizing,
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It's nothing out of the ordinary for Ken, but it's still there if you're in need of a chuckle.

I did manage to find a Christian rebuttal to his arguments, and I found it quite fascinating. http://voceveritas.wordpress.com/2014/07/22/sorry-spock-christians-arent-allowed-to-like-space-anymore/
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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2014, 03:34:45 am »
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“And I do believe there can’t be other intelligent beings in outer space because of the meaning of the gospel,” Ham wrote. “You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation.

I dunno, subjecting beings to that kind of cruel catch-22 seems exactly like something the god of the bible would do.
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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2014, 05:14:31 am »
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“And I do believe there can’t be other intelligent beings in outer space because of the meaning of the gospel,” Ham wrote. “You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation.

I dunno, subjecting beings to that kind of cruel catch-22 seems exactly like something the god of the bible would do.

Also, I love how he's basically saying that if it turned out that extra terrestiral civilisations do exist then that won't affect the "fact" that he and mankind are still special little flowers and the centre (metaphorically) of God's creation.  Such arrogance and narcism...it's almost beautiful.

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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2014, 06:07:26 pm »
The discovery of aliens would provide a perfect opportunity for humanity to demonstrate its values by killing them.
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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2014, 04:55:17 am »
The discovery of aliens would provide a perfect opportunity for humanity to demonstrate its values by killing them.


Yeah, this is about right.

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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2014, 05:55:17 am »
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“And I do believe there can’t be other intelligent beings in outer space because of the meaning of the gospel,” Ham wrote. “You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation.

I dunno, subjecting beings to that kind of cruel catch-22 seems exactly like something the god of the bible would do.

So God made all those other beings on all those other planets unable to know him just so he could send them to hell when they died.  That's nice, Ken.  I'm glad I don't believe in your God.



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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2014, 10:00:26 am »
Ken Ham...whose face lives up to his name.

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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2014, 11:39:53 am »
To be fair, Ken Ham doesn't believe aliens do exist. He just gave his reason for why he doesn't believe it.

If aliens do turn out to exist, Ham will deny that it is aliens and claim it is demons. And the Republican Party platform will call for the carpet nuking of their planet to get their oil fight terror.
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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2014, 02:09:16 am »
Granted, the whole "Aliens have no souls" is a silly notion.  Also scientists, astronomers, and other people working at NASA are simply trying to gain a better understanding of the universe, not conspire against God by conjuring up an alternative idea of how we came to be.

At least he isn't saying that extraterrestrials are demons...yet.

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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2014, 03:04:07 am »
Funny, I'm looking at writing a story that pokes fun at the idea that the religious types would insist any extraterrestrials are demonic forces and use violence against them.
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Re: Ken Ham is at it again! Everyone, point and laugh!
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2014, 03:18:33 am »
Funny, I'm looking at writing a story that pokes fun at the idea that the religious types would insist any extraterrestrials are demonic forces and use violence against them.
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2014, 03:21:22 am »
Mine's rather pony, so I think we could both feasibly do one and both would work within their own little universes.
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