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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2013, 01:55:24 am »
Meanwhile my state is blocking military benefits for gays.

Yeah, Utah is more progressive than we are.

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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2013, 01:58:23 am »
Meanwhile my state is blocking military benefits for gays.

Yeah, Utah is more progressive than we are.

A federal judge is more progressive than your state. Utah is still ass-backward, as evidenced by the request for an emergency stay and the near-certainty of appeals straight to the Supreme Court.
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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2013, 12:12:09 pm »
Meanwhile my state is blocking military benefits for gays.

Yeah, Utah is more progressive than we are.
How exactly does something federal get blocked at the state level like that?

At any rate, it sounds like your governor and the rest of the crew could use a good early morning Apache wake-up call hovering outside their bedroom windows to remind them just exactly who they are fucking around with.  ;D

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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2013, 03:36:05 pm »
Meanwhile my state is blocking military benefits for gays.

Yeah, Utah is more progressive than we are.
How exactly does something federal get blocked at the state level like that?

At any rate, it sounds like your governor and the rest of the crew could use a good early morning Apache wake-up call hovering outside their bedroom windows to remind them just exactly who they are fucking around with.  ;D

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Basically it means that if the Federal Government does not define something to be within it's power, the States get to rule on it.  HOWEVER! this judge has cited the 14th Amendment as a reason for overturning the ban.

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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.[1]

So basically he's saying that Section 1 of the 14th applies here.  Which is interesting track to take as it's been tried before and I think didn't work.

Ironbite-this might be the magic bullet though.

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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2014, 02:20:53 pm »
Utah now...does not have Same-sex marriage. (without a ruling from a federal appeals court, at least.)

Nice try, federal government. States' rights pulls through again.
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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2014, 04:07:05 pm »
Yep, once again, they spent millions of dollars to take rights away from people (or rather block more people from getting said rights) instead of spending that money to help people and improve the economy.

And these guys support polygomy, right?
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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2014, 04:50:41 pm »
Actually all this is doing is putting the pause button, as it should've been, on the ruling to see if it actually has legs.  If it does, next stop is SCOTUS and Kennedy is giggling at that prospect as this will allow him to put a broad ruling on the issue once and for all.

Ironbite-Utah could've just let this go, instead they're fighting the losing battle.

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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2014, 11:09:35 pm »
I'm not surprised that the stay was granted. Quite simply, better this than letting the marriages continue only for more to be thrown into limbo should higher courts ultimately rule against extending marriage rights.
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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2014, 06:38:57 pm »
Actually eat your words again.  The state of Utah is choosing to ignore the marriages that have taken place.  That's all.  Of course this sets them up for about 1000 lawsuits going down.

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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2014, 06:47:53 pm »
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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2014, 06:49:46 pm »
Actually eat your words again.  The state of Utah is choosing to ignore the marriages that have taken place.  That's all.  Of course this sets them up for about 1000 lawsuits going down.

Ironbite-should be fun!
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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2014, 09:17:11 pm »
Lahey:  It's a shitticane, Randy...

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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2014, 09:18:45 pm »
It's a shitnado.
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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2014, 09:31:11 pm »
Gonna be a big one... the shitbirds are flying to less shitty climes.

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Re: Utah now has Same-sex marriage
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2014, 09:41:58 pm »
Perhaps I should have said shartnado, that might've made the reference more obvious XD
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