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Offline Lt. Fred

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2100 on: December 30, 2013, 05:08:11 pm »
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The entire English language is ableist.

Is saying something is bad ableist?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2101 on: December 30, 2013, 06:33:46 pm »
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newsflash defending someone’s right to be a bigoted asshole doesn’t make you an open minded, principled person, it makes you complicit in bigotry and oppression

Haha, no. That's not how freedom of speech works.

yeah, if anything I'd throw that in the best of thread. Ironbite said it best, people can say what they want, but that doesn't exempt them from social consequences. The whole idea of freedom of speech (according to Justice Black and Douglas) is to create a market place of ideas. That is why government shouldn't get involved, so good, albeit unpopular opinions (read communism and socialism*) can be promoted in a free and civil manner. Regardless, society is free to reject such views as stupid and pointless. Which is the idea of free speech, Jack can say "fags will burn in hell" and people can say "Jack's an ass", but the government can't discriminate against either viewpoint.

*I went with communism because most of the famous free speech cases are states persecuting communists.

Yeah, I'm with both of you. Which is something that usually never happens. This might be Bizarro FQA.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2102 on: December 30, 2013, 06:43:06 pm »
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newsflash defending someone’s right to be a bigoted asshole doesn’t make you an open minded, principled person, it makes you complicit in bigotry and oppression

Haha, no. That's not how freedom of speech works.
Depends what they mean by "defending their right" to be a bigot. If they mean defending a bigot from government imposed censorship and/or punishment, then defending them doesn't make you complicit in their bigotry. On the other hand, if by "defending," they mean trying to stop other people from criticising them, or making sure the bigot has a platform for their hateful speach, then yes, you are complicit.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2103 on: December 30, 2013, 07:08:17 pm »
What John said. (I hate doing that but he literally said almost word-for-word what I was about to)
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2104 on: December 30, 2013, 08:34:59 pm »
A lot of "asshole statements" would easily end up falling into hate speech territory. Calling poor people lazy douchebags is being an asshole. Calling gay people abominations and demanding that we beat the gay out of our children is more than that.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2105 on: December 30, 2013, 08:41:08 pm »
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 08:34:59 pm
A lot of "asshole statements" would easily end up falling into hate speech territory. Calling poor people lazy douchebags is being an asshole. Calling gay people abominations and demanding that we beat the gay out of our children is more than that.

Except we don't have hate speech laws in the USA.  So... doesn't matter too much.

Personally? I wish we DID have those kinds of laws...
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2106 on: December 30, 2013, 08:58:28 pm »
I think hate speech is more a civil thing than a criminal one, but I might be mistaken...
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2107 on: December 30, 2013, 09:16:35 pm »
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 08:34:59 pm
A lot of "asshole statements" would easily end up falling into hate speech territory. Calling poor people lazy douchebags is being an asshole. Calling gay people abominations and demanding that we beat the gay out of our children is more than that.

Do you think it should be illegal?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2108 on: December 30, 2013, 09:20:35 pm »


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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2109 on: December 30, 2013, 09:21:28 pm »
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on December 30, 2013, 08:41:08 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 08:34:59 pm
A lot of "asshole statements" would easily end up falling into hate speech territory. Calling poor people lazy douchebags is being an asshole. Calling gay people abominations and demanding that we beat the gay out of our children is more than that.

Except we don't have hate speech laws in the USA.  So... doesn't matter too much.

Personally? I wish we DID have those kinds of laws...

You mean you think we should have hate speech laws? If someone is convicted of hate speech, would punishment would they face?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2110 on: December 30, 2013, 09:26:24 pm »
Seems like it could really be abused too.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2111 on: December 30, 2013, 09:29:01 pm »
Yeah, that's my issue with them. There are no boundaries.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2112 on: December 30, 2013, 09:52:26 pm »
Besides, that's one of the good things about the internet.  It seems to have an odd predisposition for outing these particularly foul bastards for the wastrels they truly are.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2113 on: December 30, 2013, 09:53:20 pm »
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Yeah, that's my issue with them. There are no boundaries.

Who says?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #2114 on: December 30, 2013, 09:56:32 pm »
The more broad a scope a law has, the more easily it can be abused.
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