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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3555 on: May 08, 2014, 05:54:45 pm »
Yeah, their type especially piss me off. Hey jerks, I've got Asperger's Syndrome, and it's no joke. It's the main reason I'm 23 and still living with my parents, never had a job, socially inept, etc. It is NOT an excuse to be an arrogant asshole.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3556 on: May 08, 2014, 08:49:27 pm »
In my experience, it's often been used as an excuse to be an arrogant asshole to me.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3557 on: May 08, 2014, 08:58:47 pm »
So, to some degree, s/he has a point. Psychology, at worst, can involve the imposition of quite severe and compulsory invasive medical treatment without any proper grounding in, you know, evidence. It HAS been used by dictators. The psychological project DOES flirt with a sort-of make-everyone-the-same conformity in the name of science that Kurt Vonnegut and Ken Kesey were so fucking scared about. Those are legitimate criticisms. It can ludicrously over-diagnose people who are actually just a little strange or unlike you. It can turn the doctor's inability to empathise with a perfectly healthy difference of opinion into a false diagnosis (Liberalism is a mental illness, hur hur). But it's not enough to just say - it does this, make it stop. WHY does it do that?

The simple problem is that brain science is really, really hard. It's made even harder by the fact that they're, arguably, working from the wrong end. Basically, psychologists look at symptoms and try to find cures for the symptoms of broken cognition, while psychiatrists try to analyse the cause of broken cognition. Probably the psychiatric project has more promise, in my opinion, because you can actually quantify an MRI scan properly.

BUT! There have been some successes - talk therapy is a relatively goodish idea in lieu of any alternative, for instance. The problem with working with symptoms, though, is that symptoms are super-hard to classify systematically without being so broad that essentially everyone has them.

However, this is obviously a rational critique of psychology and reason isn't what these people are about.

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  • It is completely arbitrary.

At worst, not always. Is it arbitrary to want to help people not to kill themselves?

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  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.

Arguably - this is half-assed Foucault. But, to Foucault, all language helps white men and there is nothing strange about psychological language in this respect.

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  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.

Again, not an illegitimate argument except if you try to apply it in all circumstances which you have.

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  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”

This is THE argument against psychology.

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  • It has a racist history.

So does higher education. So do railways. Are we going to get rid of all the railways?

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  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)

Better argument - it completely denies all agency. Every decision you make is just a symptom.

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  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people

This is silly.

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  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.

Special snowflakes uber alles. This is straight supremicism.

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  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3558 on: May 08, 2014, 09:10:09 pm »
Incidentally, a lot of symptoms associated with ADHD are also asperger-LIKE symptoms.  Same with OCD and Tourrette's Syndrome.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3559 on: May 08, 2014, 11:20:57 pm »
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I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.

"Mental illness" is the next step in evolution? I don't think schizophrenia is a useful power to have in the X-Men.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3560 on: May 08, 2014, 11:33:11 pm »
Psychology and psychiatry are relatively new sciences, so misdiagnoses are bound to happen, but that doesn't mean they should be dismissed. Without these sciences there would be no way to treat depression, and I, along with many others, would probably be dead by now.

Are autism spectrum disorders over-diagnosed? Certainly. But does it plain not exist? Absolutely not.

I mean, you can have a few symptoms of a disorder without actually having it.

tl;dr, the anti-psychology movement is bullshit.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3561 on: May 09, 2014, 02:08:04 am »
Psychology and psychiatry are relatively new sciences, so misdiagnoses are bound of happen, but that doesn't mean they should be dismissed. Without these sciences there would be no way to treat depression, and I, along with many others, would probably be dead by now.

It's also silly to suggest that autism isn't a disorder.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3562 on: May 09, 2014, 03:33:35 am »


I got nothin'.
In paranoia I find genius / But the ice-dreams have come
with spiritless consequence / A hatchet has been hidden
between my eyes / A hatchet gift-wrapped in paranoia / A
wooden heart never bleeds / A wooden heart never bleeds,
yet inextricable thoughts still weave / Introspection
fabricated for battle / No time has been wasted
/ Neuroleptic seconds marry electroconvulsive hours / In
the cranial freezer, paranoia is the bastard and I
find genius Petrify / Paralyze

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3563 on: May 09, 2014, 04:53:34 am »


I got nothin'.

I desperately want to mark this person's papers. (Well, not really want to mark the papers themselves, just cross out every instance of "persyn".)
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3564 on: May 09, 2014, 07:49:26 am »
The etymology is complete shit of course. Lose five grades for stupidity.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3565 on: May 09, 2014, 09:36:13 am »
Good on her for putting the disclaimer at the beginning, now the professor knows she's a complete idiot.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3566 on: May 09, 2014, 02:18:09 pm »
Good on her for putting the disclaimer at the beginning, now the professor knows she's a complete idiot.

Its just sad you can't automatically flunk someone out of a class once you find that out...they have to actually fail assignments.  If nothing else, its just plain inefficient.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3567 on: May 09, 2014, 03:07:29 pm »
Good on her for putting the disclaimer at the beginning, now the professor knows she's a complete idiot.

Its just sad you can't automatically flunk someone out of a class once you find that out...they have to actually fail assignments.  If nothing else, its just plain inefficient.

If I could automatically fail people who said one really, really stupid thing on stuff I've marked, my TA record would be littered with classes with very high failure rates.

(For instance, if I could do this, anyone who writes anything that appears to assume the conclusion would get an automatic 0 in the course.)
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3568 on: May 09, 2014, 07:45:53 pm »
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#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.
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The first way that men systematically bring women into the idea of male penetration and loss of agency is by introducing tampons.  Is it any coincidence that girls start using tampons AS SOON AS they become physically capable of procreating?  It is form of “grooming”.  The girl start out with “junior slim” (just. gross.) and eventually go up to “overnight” (yeah, we get the sexual connotations there, thanks…)

By the time girls have matured into the regular-sized tampons or super tampons (which are stil smaller than most penises) they are ready to be penetrated by an actual penis in the eyes of men.  There are just SO. MANY. THINGS. made to groom women for heterosexuality.  If PiV were natural/normal/healthy for women it wouldn’t take this much effort to warm them up to it!

Of course trans men are also encouraged to use tampons through their childhood but this is no different- society tries to undermine them and denies their masculinity, and in doing so, makes them “penetrated” repeatedly.  This is a way to “trick” them into enjoying the idea of PiV and the idea of being “less”, as a woman.


The "junior/slim" sizes are for very light blood flows (usually six grams or less) while the "ultra/overnight" is meant for heavy flows (15+ grams). They have nothing to do with penetration and even the largest of tampons are smaller than the average penis.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #3569 on: May 09, 2014, 08:07:06 pm »
OMG, thank you jebus! I needed a good laugh!

So, let's answer idiot pomposity with an equally stupid/funny counterpoint...https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120623165917AAkj5GH

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There's actually much more wisdom and compassion in the Yahoo drivel than that Tumblrina can ever manage.
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