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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5205 on: December 31, 2014, 11:26:49 am »
I think this might be the epitome of how the SJ narrative fucks things up:

This is Scott Aaronson's story of his struggles as a shy, nerdy guy.

This is Amanda Marcotte's reading of that story.

The "nerds are secretly assholes who think the universe owes them sex" narrative is so entrenched that apparently Marcotte can't possibly read the story in any other way, to the point that, at parts, her commentary boils down to:

"You say that reason leads you to agree with feminist values despite having bad experiences, so clearly what you are actually saying is that you want to be more of a misogynist but reality won't let you!"

"Yes, you explicitly say that women don't owe you anything, but clearly you are secretly thinking it!"

And so on.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5206 on: December 31, 2014, 11:29:44 am »
I think this might be the epitome of how the SJ narrative fucks things up:

This is Scott Aaronson's story of his struggles as a shy, nerdy guy.

This is Amanda Marcotte's reading of that story.

The "nerds are secretly assholes who think the universe owes them sex" narrative is so entrenched that apparently Marcotte can't possibly read the story in any other way, to the point that, at parts, her commentary boils down to:

"You say that reason leads you to agree with feminist values despite having bad experiences, so clearly what you are actually saying is that you want to be more of a misogynist but reality won't let you!"

"Yes, you explicitly say that women don't owe you anything, but clearly you are secretly thinking it!"

And so on.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5208 on: December 31, 2014, 07:29:36 pm »


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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5209 on: December 31, 2014, 07:32:58 pm »






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Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5211 on: January 02, 2015, 05:51:52 pm »
I think this might be the epitome of how the SJ narrative fucks things up:

This is Scott Aaronson's story of his struggles as a shy, nerdy guy.

This is Amanda Marcotte's reading of that story.

What's remarkable about the Marcotte piece - and what seems common in particular to feminist pieces, but also nowadays increasingly across a lot of left-wing commentry - is the utter denial of the possibility of failure at their end. The idea that Aaronson feels the way he does because feminism has failed in any way, whether through action, implementation or communication, is inconceivable; hence Aaronson, in not being entirely sold, must be a sexist asshole. I wouldn't say that Aaronson's comment is entirely enlightened, but it is emotionally honest, and his point seems to be that feminist rhetoric doesn't always seem to square with practicalities in the real world, or with the actions of women themselves. This would suggest that either the theory needs to be better, or the disparity explaining better, but this winds up being off-limits to Marcotte.

The Marcotte piece also seems to possess the other major implicit theme, that men need to improve, but women need do nothing whatsoever to change their outlook, and don't need to be encouraged either - that once men reject patriarchal values, women will magically change with them, because all women are feminists waiting to happen. Y'know, just like all poor people are socialists waiting to happen, and all atheists are Christians waiting to happen, etc., etc...
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5212 on: January 02, 2015, 06:37:19 pm »
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/12/31/katie-hopkins-fat-story-doc-police-report_n_6399540.html

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Katie Hopkins has been reported to the police for hate crimes against overweight people, following her comments to one plus size activist on her reality TV show, 'My Fat Story'.

In the scenes, which are set to air on Saturday 3 January, Katie goes head-to-head with campaigner Kathryn Szrodecki.

In a preview clip obtained by the Daily Mail, Katie tells Kathryn: “I’m looking at you and I’m making an assessment that it is not healthy to carry that much weight on your knees.

“I just don’t believe you’re healthy in that state.”

As Katie takes aim at another woman in the room, Kathryn interjects, stating, “Do you not realise where you’re going with this? This is actually to do with a hate crime,” before asking if she can call the police.

I don't watch "reality" TV, and from what I've read, Katie Hopkins is considered to be an insufferable person to many, many people.  However, there is a difference between having a disagreement with someone and that person insulting you for how you appear versus actually being targeted for who you are or are perceived to be.  Hate crime does not mean someone was being openly hateful to a person or group of people, it means a crime was committed towards a person or group of people because the person committing the crime hated that particular group of person.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5213 on: January 02, 2015, 06:40:43 pm »
According to some tumblrinas...any form of negative comments is actually a hate crime.

Ironbite-where'd this woman come from?

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5214 on: January 02, 2015, 07:17:26 pm »
According to some tumblrinas...any form of negative comments is actually a hate crime.

Ironbite-where'd this woman come from?

She was on The Apprentice I think. anyway her job right now seems to be trolling fat people.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5215 on: January 02, 2015, 07:29:16 pm »
According to some tumblrinas...any form of negative comments is actually a hate crime.

Ironbite-where'd this woman come from?

She was on The Apprentice I think. anyway her job right now seems to be trolling fat people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Hopkins - Where I learned about her.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5216 on: January 02, 2015, 07:33:37 pm »
Not her.  The other one.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5217 on: January 02, 2015, 08:07:25 pm »
Not her.  The other one.

Kathryn Szrodecki is a "size acceptance campaigner" who appears every once a while on TV and radio.  An article about her first appeared in The Telegraph in 2000.  She also has a blog that she hasn't written since 2013.

Here is her arguing with a BBC radio talk show host Stephen Nolan about the increasing levels of obesity in Britain and the increasing burden of cost to the NHS.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5218 on: January 02, 2015, 08:27:15 pm »
As offensive as that woman's words are....they're not a hate crime.

Ironbite-You just can't label anything you want a hate crime.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #5219 on: January 02, 2015, 10:06:14 pm »
And might I add, as someone who is overweight, that although there is certainly unnecessary mockery of fat people, it IS unhealthy, and should not be simply encouraged as "part of who you are" as these tumblrinas seem to do.
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