And yes, it's legit:
https://archive.is/l5aby
Yeah, this is actually true. And this shouldn't be in the thread, as she is merely stating a fact (that some studies state X) instead of arguing for that end (racial segregation is good).
Now, if you really want to get mad, read Justice Thomas' dissent in Parents Involved v. First Seattle School District, 551 U.S. 701. There he actually argues that point.
Yeah, why don't you ask Linda Brown how wonderful racially segregated schools are? Or better yet, ask a student at an inner-city school.
Mother of fuck, do you miss the points sometimes. The studies are done with all things being equal. Do you think schools were equally funded during segregation? The answer is no, white schools got 3:1 to 10:1 what black schools got. Do you think inner-city schools are funded the same? Of course not.
And even then, I specifically said that this is a statement of fact: some studies do indicate that all-black schools provide a better environment for black students and that all-female schools provide women with better education. Further, I specifically said "instead of arguing for that end (racial segregation is good)." But that is what this is, it is a giant straw-man because instead of arguing with the results of the tests, you're strawmanning it with segregation. Instead of noticing that all-black or all-female educational institutions can provide better education to some students through minimizing social privileges that can adversely affect education (which spits in the face of your kumbaya beliefs), you opt to argue against segregation, which nobody is even defending.
You want me to argue about the tests? Fine:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/single-sex-schools-negative-kids-study/story?id=14581023
Do you have any other sources? That study's over fifteen years old, and only talks about African-Americans. Furthermore, it says nothing about women.
Besides, that's about historically black colleges. Not everybody goes to college. I'm talking about pre-college education.
Goal post shift. You initially attacked Anita for saying that some studies show that all-black schools have benefits, likening it to a call for segregation. I presented a study that shows the exact thing stated. I've meet my burden of proof on the issue of whether studies supporting the benefits of all-black schools exist, and I do not plan to get into a debate as to which side is right. As for women, I can't be fucked to read through more peer reviewed studies on my day off, but a simple google search showed me
this.
Second, when you say "Not everybody goes to college. I'm talking about pre-college education." It is just another goal-post shift. Nothing Anita says limits it to college or pre-college education. You only add that disclaimer after I presented a study about the benefits of historically black universities.
In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions. That might have something to do with it. Besides, isn’t the whole point of going to school with people who are the opposite gender and a different race from you to, you know, LEARN how to get along with people who aren’t the same as you?
This is just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure women and black people are around enough white-guys in the course of their day to day lives to learn about white-men in this country. The belief, at least to my understanding, is that all-female schools allow women to speak up and participate in leadership roles in a manner that co-ed schools often do not and that all-black school's provide education devoid of white-bias that primarily white schools cannot.
With all due respect, you might have a point about women. But there are still a lot of neighborhoods that are mostly one race. There are a lot of African-Americans who live in mostly black neighborhoods, a lot of whites who live in mostly white neighborhoods, a lot of Asian-Americans who mostly live in Asian neighborhoods, etc. There are a lot of white kids who grow up without Latino neighbors, a lot of black kids who grow up without Asian neighbors, etc.
And what do you mean "education devoid of white bias"? Don't tell me you actually believe that nonsense about African-Americans being confused by tests that say "behind the sofa" instead of "in back of the couch".
First off, that is a mischaracterization of an
actual problem with educational testing, which is again tangential to the issue we're debating.
The real point of the sentence is how racial bias can be internalized. For example,
teachers and professors are more likely to call on and give additional help to white, male students. Often, at primarily white universities, white students look down their noses at black students as "affirmative action acceptances" (read some of Clarence Thomas' experience). Black students may internalize these things, and countless others I don't feel like looking up or arguing, and do worse than their peers academically. In contrast, a lot of these social privileges are erased at all-black or all-female schools. Not all, but a lot nonetheless.
Second, as the simmons link I posted highlights, these schools provide a good opportunity for students to see other students and faculty that is like them. So often in media, women and black people are portray as the girlfriend or the "sidekick," in contrast to being the leader or the hero. At these schools, black and female students can see leadership roles satisfied by other black and female students--they are placed in an environment in which they are surrounded by other young and ambitious students, which can help reduce the effects of internalized bias.
And why shouldn't Anita be held to the same standards as everyone else? If, say, Ann Coulter said this, you'd be calling for her head. Besides, Anita doesn't bother to cite the studies she mentioned.
Because again this is a fucking strawman that you're presenting so that you can justify Anita-hate, because of that thing that shall not be mentioned. Anita isn't arguing for segregation, she is merely saying what studies show. In essence, just because you acknowledge benefits of all-black or all-female schools does not mean that you support segregation. To quote John Stewart in a clip about Glenn Beck, "because if you adhere to an aspect of an ideology, then you clearly believe in that ideology when taken to an absurd extreme." That is what you're doing, taking the notion that all-black or all-female schools have benefits, and conflating that with segregation--which is just bad form.
Alrighty then. Pretend Anita's a conservative. Would you still be defending her? Be honest with yourself.
You just ignored everything I said to shift this into an argument about partisan politics...
