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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2015, 09:42:46 pm »
Except, well...

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The reason people don't find the portrayal of a man as stupid or incompetent as an offensive statement is because there are a million other men portrayed in other ways. To the extent that male is the default, showing an incompetent male character is just showing an incompetent character.

If women are rarer in the medium, then every woman included looks like she's being included specifically for her gender, and so it invites one to think any other traits are commentary on that gender. To the extent that 'woman' is not a default status but a special trait, any other non-default traits added look like commentary on the interaction of them with womanhood. The way to solve that is, well, adding more female character with a large variety of traits.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2015, 05:32:45 pm »
Except, well...

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The reason people don't find the portrayal of a man as stupid or incompetent as an offensive statement is because there are a million other men portrayed in other ways. To the extent that male is the default, showing an incompetent male character is just showing an incompetent character.

If women are rarer in the medium, then every woman included looks like she's being included specifically for her gender, and so it invites one to think any other traits are commentary on that gender. To the extent that 'woman' is not a default status but a special trait, any other non-default traits added look like commentary on the interaction of them with womanhood. The way to solve that is, well, adding more female character with a large variety of traits.
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I think this discussion deserves its own thread.

Anyway, I found this on Imgur.  It's an album of images debunking common Holocaust denier claims, in a language /pol/ can understand.

http://imgur.com/a/PSmeN

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2015, 09:30:38 pm »
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Let's face it, when it comes to media criticism, "problematic" is the new "immoral'.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #63 on: August 28, 2015, 03:22:58 pm »
Hamill daring to say America needs gun control:

Consumption is not a politically combative act — refraining from consumption even less so.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #64 on: August 28, 2015, 03:26:43 pm »
Hamill daring to say America needs gun control:



I believe in stricter background checks, longer waiting periods, and better enforcement of existing laws.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #65 on: August 28, 2015, 03:31:46 pm »
Australia presided over such a massive dip in gun violence by taking away some guns. That's a critical feature of any effective gun control legislation.
Consumption is not a politically combative act — refraining from consumption even less so.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #66 on: August 28, 2015, 03:59:07 pm »
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Let's face it, when it comes to media criticism, "problematic" is the new "immoral'.

Well, yes. Was this in doubt?

Are people who think 'problematic' is not a moral judgement a real thing? (actually asking, nothing would surprise me at this point)
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2015, 04:17:29 pm »
Australia presided over such a massive dip in gun violence by taking away some guns. That's a critical feature of any effective gun control legislation.

Actually, gun violence in the Land Down Under was falling before the Australian firearm ban, matching a global downward trend in most industrialized countries.  Correlation does not equal causation.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #68 on: August 28, 2015, 05:47:01 pm »
You sure about that?

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2015, 10:44:01 pm »
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"Why do men feel like they need to have sex to be manly?"

"Haha, look at that stupid virgin MRA. Go back to your mountain dew and Cheetos in your mom's basement, man-baby. Haha *tips fedora* lol"

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #71 on: August 29, 2015, 11:24:43 pm »
Technically, only the virgin part of that insinuates that not having sex decreases your human worth, the rest is bodyshaming, making fun of living situations etc. But yeah, still, unconsctructive as fuck.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2015, 11:35:52 pm »
Except, well...

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The reason people don't find the portrayal of a man as stupid or incompetent as an offensive statement is because there are a million other men portrayed in other ways. To the extent that male is the default, showing an incompetent male character is just showing an incompetent character.

If women are rarer in the medium, then every woman included looks like she's being included specifically for her gender, and so it invites one to think any other traits are commentary on that gender. To the extent that 'woman' is not a default status but a special trait, any other non-default traits added look like commentary on the interaction of them with womanhood. The way to solve that is, well, adding more female character with a large variety of traits.
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https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/how_it_works.png
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2015, 11:48:47 pm »
Except, well...

[speculation not fully endorsed]
The reason people don't find the portrayal of a man as stupid or incompetent as an offensive statement is because there are a million other men portrayed in other ways. To the extent that male is the default, showing an incompetent male character is just showing an incompetent character.

If women are rarer in the medium, then every woman included looks like she's being included specifically for her gender, and so it invites one to think any other traits are commentary on that gender. To the extent that 'woman' is not a default status but a special trait, any other non-default traits added look like commentary on the interaction of them with womanhood. The way to solve that is, well, adding more female character with a large variety of traits.
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But the problem with that solution is that game devs are afraid to create games with better female representation, for exactly those reasons.  Kratos goes shirtless and nobody bats an eye.  Bayonetta wears a catsuit and everyone loses their minds.

Not helping matters is the fact that the gaming press refuses to talk about games starring female characters you'd think they could get behind.

https://archive.is/TOhwW

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2015, 12:11:32 am »
Well, my understanding is that there's a difference between sexual objectification and idealization. Sexual objectification is "this character has been designed this way for you, the consumer, to derive satisfaction from ogling" and idealization is "this character is awesome, look at how awesome they are, you want to be this character". Female characters in games are largely subjected to the former and male ones to the latter. (Not that idealization of male characters doesn't contribute to body issues or that male characters can't be sexually objectified, but you know, in general it's like this.)

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Samus in a catsuit is probably the former. She is put in a catsuit because "hey look, boobs! you like boobs, don't you? let's accent this woman's boobs because boobs are hot!". Kratos is topless to express a sense of power. Look at Kratos, the design decision says. Kratos is powerful. Kratos is the hero. Kratos is in control, the muscles say so.
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Tangent, but there's also a difference between "this character dresses/acts sexily because they're confident in their sexuality/it's in-character for them/etc." and "this character is sexualized to titillate the viewer". Often, jackasses think the former is happening when really it's the latter.
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