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Title: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 22, 2013, 04:05:47 pm: Windows 8.1 leaked out to the web! (http://anonymz.com/?http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-81-build-9369-has-reportedly-leaked) Its at nsane, no linky because the ban hammer thirsts for blood.

(http://i.imgur.com/4ckPpGF.jpg)

Official support of ReFS (http://i50.tinypic.com/59sea9.png), not much of a surprise really. Windows 8 64bit could use ReFS with an activator. (http://www.firstever.eu/en/refs-activator-for-windows-8/) Not all is well though:

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Some NTFS features are not supported in ReFS, including named streams, object IDs, short names, file compression, file level encryption (EFS), user data transactions, hard links, extended attributes, and disk quotas.[35][34] Sparse files was not supported by Preview, but it is supported by RTM.[39][40] ReFS does not itself offer data deduplication.[35] Dynamic disks with mirrored or striped volumes are replaced with mirrored or striped storage pools provided by Storage Spaces. However, in Windows Server 2012, automated error-correction is only supported on mirrored spaces, and booting from ReFS is not supported either. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReFS#ReFS)

Everything is becoming more tablet like, this is not a good thing. For example the new Files app.
(http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/2_wy6.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: m52nickerson on April 22, 2013, 06:25:53 pm: Oh my gawd...people can't survive without a start menu.... ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on April 22, 2013, 07:02:49 pm: I always moan whenever something like this is changed, but after I while I just get used to it and it's not a problem.

They main thing that annoys me about this is that it is going to be a nightmare trying to re-teach my Dad how to use it...
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 22, 2013, 07:09:39 pm: Working tech support teaches you that perhaps this is a better idea than having a start menu...

I don't like change myself but eventually I adapt. Everyone else can, too.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 22, 2013, 08:31:21 pm: I honest to goodness hate Windows 8 more after having actually used it than hearing the hype about it.

I don't know what's supposed to be intuitive about it considering that it took me several hours to find the fucking Control Panel.

It's like installing the spark plugs behind the engine. It's a dick move that makes it hard for people to maintain their shit.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 22, 2013, 11:38:51 pm: Quote from: m52nickerson on April 22, 2013, 06:25:53 pm
Oh my gawd...people can't survive without a start menu.... ;D
Ask the developers behind Start8 (http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/) about that.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: Radiation on April 23, 2013, 08:51:25 pm: I've actually seen it when I was visiting my mom in the continuing care center (she's still there) and her roommate had a computer with Windows 8 on it. I like the concept but I hate that they changed too drastically. MS should have made a "transitory" form of OS that kind of links the old with the new.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 23, 2013, 10:14:59 pm: When I got my new desktop around for Christmas last year I was hoping I could still get it with Windows 7 on it, but I couldn't. It has Windows 8, and the lack of the old start menu drives me insane. I end up clicking the internet icon that's in it's location out of reflex quite often. I also dislike the home screen or whatever it's called. I don't use the thing, and I don't know why on earth it's even there. If they kept Windows 8 to tablets it would probably be fine, but using it for regular computers feels so weird. I don't for the life of me know why a desktop or laptop needs apps.

When I first got the thing finding stuff was such a bitch, including control panel as Magus said. On an unrelated note, being that I literally live in a car shop I've worked on a few cars before, and there are quite a few that are put together in such a way that you have to remove things in order to get to other thing, and other times it things can be accessed if you twist your hand in a weird way. I have to wonder what on earth the designers were thinking when they designed some of this shit.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 23, 2013, 10:37:41 pm: If and when it comes time to upgrade my PC, and I can't buy Windows 7 legit, I'm pirating it. There's no way I'm using an OS that's optimised for tablets on my PC.
Quote from: Neverland on April 23, 2013, 08:51:25 pm
I've actually seen it when I was visiting my mom in the continuing care center (she's still there) and her roommate had a computer with Windows 8 on it. I like the concept but I hate that they changed too drastically. MS should have made a "transitory" form of OS that kind of links the old with the new.
A tad off topic, but I don't suppose you could tone down your sig a tad? As it is now, it fills up my entire screen and completely dwarfs your actual posts.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 24, 2013, 12:44:59 am: Yeah, I'm sticking with Windows 7 on my laptop. Tablets and smartphones have their OS built differently for a reason.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: Radiation on April 25, 2013, 01:14:53 am: Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 23, 2013, 10:37:41 pm
If and when it comes time to upgrade my PC, and I can't buy Windows 7 legit, I'm pirating it. There's no way I'm using an OS that's optimised for tablets on my PC.
Quote from: Neverland on April 23, 2013, 08:51:25 pm
I've actually seen it when I was visiting my mom in the continuing care center (she's still there) and her roommate had a computer with Windows 8 on it. I like the concept but I hate that they changed too drastically. MS should have made a "transitory" form of OS that kind of links the old with the new.
A tad off topic, but I don't suppose you could tone down your sig a tad? As it is now, it fills up my entire screen and completely dwarfs your actual posts.

Yeah I fixed it, thought the second was too big so I resized it anyways.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 25, 2013, 03:58:30 am: Quote from: Neverland on April 25, 2013, 01:14:53 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 23, 2013, 10:37:41 pm
If and when it comes time to upgrade my PC, and I can't buy Windows 7 legit, I'm pirating it. There's no way I'm using an OS that's optimised for tablets on my PC.
Quote from: Neverland on April 23, 2013, 08:51:25 pm
I've actually seen it when I was visiting my mom in the continuing care center (she's still there) and her roommate had a computer with Windows 8 on it. I like the concept but I hate that they changed too drastically. MS should have made a "transitory" form of OS that kind of links the old with the new.
A tad off topic, but I don't suppose you could tone down your sig a tad? As it is now, it fills up my entire screen and completely dwarfs your actual posts.

Yeah I fixed it, thought the second was too big so I resized it anyways.

I don't mean to be an asshole here, but it's still a tad too big. The rules say 600x300 is the limit, and still completely fills my 1366x768 screen, so... Yeah.

Sorry about that. I don't mean to be a backseat mod or anything, it just makes scrolling a bit of a hassle is all.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: ironbite on April 25, 2013, 01:20:35 pm: Well everything's going touch screen anyways so ytoiu best get used to how Windows operates.

Ironbite-yeah that sounded as bad as I thought.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: Rime on April 25, 2013, 07:26:04 pm: I think I'm getting looking for two licenses and a copy of Windows 7. Tomorrow.

EDIT: It appears that it will still be available from vendors until October 2014. I guess tomorrow doesn't have to mean tomorrow.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 25, 2013, 08:33:28 pm: The rule of Windows is that the odd ones are great(XP, 7), and the even ones suck hard(Vista, 8). We just gotta wait a couple years for 9. I might have to get a new laptop soon before this one blows up, gonna make sure to get 7 on it. I tolerate 8 on my desktop since I mostly play games on it and thus don't deal with the OS too much, but is I'm gonna do anything that else, I'd really rather have 7. Has Microsoft acknowledged people's dislike of 8? They've also pulled shit like 8 on the Xbox's home screen, and I dislike it more with every time they redo it. I liked the way the 360's home screen was originally, I didn't mind the first major change after a little while, but the more frequent changes recently drive me crazy because shit gets rearranged. The good thing is that being a game system, I don't have to deal with the home screen after I put the disc in. I get that they want to incorporate things like netflix and a web browser in( the latter of which would be clunky at best), but adding all kinds other apps is pushing it.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: Saturn500 on April 25, 2013, 09:54:16 pm: Up until I got into shmups, the Metro bullshit was actually turning me off of the 360.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 26, 2013, 11:33:51 pm: Quote from: ironbite on April 25, 2013, 01:20:35 pm
Well everything's going touch screen anyways so ytoiu best get used to how Windows operates.

Ironbite-yeah that sounded as bad as I thought.
Honesty that trend scares me, a lot of hardware capacity is lost just for that touch screen. I am not just referring to space for components but capacity to disperse heat and a shift in power allocation. Such would be fine if limited to mobile, hand held devices but Computer Equals Monitor (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComputerEqualsMonitor) is becoming a reality.
Title: Re: Windows 8.1 leaked, underwhelming, more for tablets, no start menu.
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 04, 2013, 10:45:57 pm: Windows is just doing what the big players in the OS duopoly have been doing since they dominated the market.

Release untested Beta products on to the population of the entire planet and use the indignant howling when it (inevitably) breaks as product feedback for the next version!