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One Trillion dollars and counting down the Fucking Toilet
« on: January 22, 2012, 01:59:02 pm »
A quote from my conservative friend:  "Is the world better off or not without Saddam Hussein?"  spoken rather loud of course.  Seems it is exactly the same.   

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BAGHDAD — Iraq “cracked down harshly” on freedom of expression and assembly in 2011 by intimidating, beating and detaining activists and journalists, Human Rights Watch said Sunday in announcing its World Report 2012.

“Iraq is quickly slipping back into authoritarianism as its security forces abuse protesters, harass journalists and torture detainees,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Despite U.S. government assurances that it helped create a stable democracy, the reality is that it left behind a budding police state.”  Many of the problems reported by Human Rights Watch occurred before Dec. 18, when the final U.S. troops left the country. The group reported similar problems last year.

But in its new report, the organization also highlights recent incidents.

In the weeks leading up to the U.S. withdrawal, Iraqi security forces rounded up hundreds of Iraqis accused of being former Baath Party members, according to Human Rights Watch. Most of them “remain in detention without charge,” the group said.

This month, according to Human Rights Watch, Iraqi authorities were able to curtail anti-government demonstrations by flooding weekly protests with pro-government supporters and undercover security agents.

“Dissenting activists and independent journalists for the most part said that they no longer felt safe attending the demonstrations,” Human Rights Watch said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/human-rights-watch-details-iraq-crackdowns-warns-of-budding-police-state/2012/01/22/gIQAlSFkIQ_story.html

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Re: One Trillion dollars and counting down the Fucking Toilet
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 02:02:16 pm »
And?
You were expecting something else?
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Re: One Trillion dollars and counting down the Fucking Toilet
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 02:08:12 pm »
Not the least bit surprised.

The trillions flushed down the drain is distressing, but it's the meaningless loss of life that is truly horrific.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 02:30:09 pm »
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Re: One Trillion dollars and counting down the Fucking Toilet
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 04:18:20 pm »
Welcome to the same shit they've been doing, oh, forever.
Going in to Iraq to bring "freedom and democracy" was a fucking joke and anyone with half a brain stem knew that
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 04:38:25 pm »
Welcome to the same shit they've been doing, oh, forever.
Going in to Iraq to bring "freedom and democracy" was a fucking joke and anyone with half a brain stem knew that

Unfortunately, we didn't vote for one. We broke it, and sadly, we bought it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 04:39:14 am »
Unfortunately, we didn't vote for one. We broke it, and sadly, we bought it.

More accurately you broke it and then just quietly swept it under the carpet while repeating a mantra "Sadam is gone Yay for us"
I remember an article a while back that for all the evils of Sadam, he was actually keeping the more extreme groups in his country in line.

Nothing really ever changes does it?

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Re: One Trillion dollars and counting down the Fucking Toilet
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 04:44:53 am »
I can't say, really; I wasn't alive for any other major conflicts. This war, this bullshit in Iraq and Afghanistan, has been going on for about half my life by now. Just think about that for a second. I was ten years old when we were attacked, and I've literally grown up with the conflict. I barely know a time when we weren't at war, chasing down imaginary threats while ignoring very real ones.

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 04:48:22 am »
Whereas my nieces and nephew have had their father going to war their entire life.

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 04:52:17 am »
Unfortunately, we didn't vote for one. We broke it, and sadly, we bought it.

More accurately you broke it and then just quietly swept it under the carpet while repeating a mantra "Sadam is gone Yay for us"
I remember an article a while back that for all the evils of Sadam, he was actually keeping the more extreme groups in his country in line.

Nothing really ever changes does it?

Exactly, when will we learn that killing a nation's leaders and replacing them with extremists who support our immediate positions rarely has a way of panning out.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 05:06:28 am »
Nothing really ever changes does it?

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 05:25:42 am »
Looking at your title I must ask, what did you think you were supposed to be paying for?

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 05:31:31 am »
Looking at your title I must ask, what did you think you were supposed to be paying for?
As someone who agrees with the title, I'd say it should've been used to pay off the federal government's debt.

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 06:30:49 am »
A working public transport system, a working health insurance system, some US poverty reduction, an end to racial inequality? You put three trillion dollars and a million lives into all of them and you'd still have enough to fight malaria a bit, and maybe spend a dime or two on a refinanced space program.

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 07:15:47 am »
Unfortunately, we didn't vote for one. We broke it, and sadly, we bought it.

More accurately you broke it and then just quietly swept it under the carpet while repeating a mantra "Sadam is gone Yay for us"
I remember an article a while back that for all the evils of Sadam, he was actually keeping the more extreme groups in his country in line.

Nothing really ever changes does it?

Saddam was a horrible person, and there is no denying that.  BUT, he was rabidly atheist and knew the dangers of letting the extremists have any kind of real power.  Unfortunately, that region still tends to follow the local leaders rather than the national.  So you end up with a whole lot of different belief sets that are often at odds with each other.  Without a strong leader to force them to work together, there is chaos just like what is currently happening.

Bear in mind also that, while Saddam was certainly fairly brutal, most of his moves were based around him gaining more power and land (gassing the Kurds and attacking Kuwait, for example).  These were bad things, but fairly straightforward military actions.  His sons were the personally brutal ones.  They were known to have people kidnapped, commit rapes and murders when they wanted a woman, etc.  Saddam should have brought them into check, and allowing them to continue really hurt his already damaged reputation.

This is not unlike what happened in Iran.  Iran used to be one of the most progressive Islamic nations when the Shah was in power.  Except, the Shah displeased the US and Britain (by trying to sell their oil for higher prices), so those nations worked with the rebels to depose him.  And then the Ayatollah and ruling council took power.