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Re: Brexit
« Reply #120 on: July 05, 2016, 05:08:01 pm »
The fact that Nigel Farage stepped down as party leader threw yet another wrench into the mix. Honestly, I have to ask if Britain will even have a functioning government before 2020.

How, exactly, does Nigel Farage stepping down change anything?  UKIP have gone from being a party with virtually no seats in parliament to being a party with virtually no seats in parliament, (currently) no leader and now no flagship policy (since it's now been achieved).

They're basically a political irrelevance to the functioning of government ^_^

He may have had no MPs, but along with Boris Johnson, he was the fave of the Brexit movement. With both of them resigned, the now-victorious movement has no visible leader to direct just how this exit is going to be carried out, which, I predict, will just lead to a lot more confusion in the end.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #121 on: July 05, 2016, 05:55:13 pm »
The fact that Nigel Farage stepped down as party leader threw yet another wrench into the mix. Honestly, I have to ask if Britain will even have a functioning government before 2020.

How, exactly, does Nigel Farage stepping down change anything?  UKIP have gone from being a party with virtually no seats in parliament to being a party with virtually no seats in parliament, (currently) no leader and now no flagship policy (since it's now been achieved).

They're basically a political irrelevance to the functioning of government ^_^

He may have had no MPs, but along with Boris Johnson, he was the fave of the Brexit movement. With both of them resigned, the now-victorious movement has no visible leader to direct just how this exit is going to be carried out, which, I predict, will just lead to a lot more confusion in the end.

Or it just won't happen at all, since the vote wasn't binding, the next Conservative leader is likely a Remain supporter (May, although I think she originally supported Leave), and the devolved assembles have a veto on changes to the UK's relationship with the EU. (That last could of course be stripped away by the UK Parliament, but that would be at least as controversial as letting Scotland's and/or Northern Ireland's vetoes stand.)
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #122 on: July 05, 2016, 06:11:08 pm »
The Queen will step in.

Ironbite-she will almost have to.

Stick a few heads on pikes and tell everyone the family is back in charge of the empire.  ;D

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #123 on: July 05, 2016, 06:23:41 pm »
The Queen will step in.

Ironbite-she will almost have to.

Stick a few heads on pikes and tell everyone the family is back in charge of the empire.  ;D

Here I was thinking Ibbles was talking about our Queen.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #124 on: July 05, 2016, 06:35:44 pm »
The Queen will step in.

Ironbite-she will almost have to.

Stick a few heads on pikes and tell everyone the family is back in charge of the empire.  ;D


Here I was thinking Ibbles was talking about our Queen.

I suspect she'd handle it pretty much the same way.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #125 on: July 05, 2016, 07:59:49 pm »
Conty would have us believe that all those in favor of Brexit are conservative little Englanders like him, they aren't. He'd also have us believe that all those opposed to Brexit are "unwashed lefties" like these lawyers acting on behalf of a group of business people and academics presumably. It's never so simple.

Originally it was the Tories who were pro integration into the common market and Labour who were opposed, people are only now starting to remember Corbyn's vote against membership of the EEC in 1975. That changed after Blair but Corbyn decidedly isn't Blair but rather a member of Labour's socialist old guard

Well, you know.  If you're out protesting to try and force the government to ignore the result of a vote you lost, you're in the same boat as a bunch of smelly students who now want to disenfranchise the old because they had the sheer audacity to vote the *wrong* way.

You know, the blatantly undemocratic shit that is the hallmark of campus leftism.

And that "DURR HURR DURR THE TORIES TOOK US INTO EUROPE" thing is just a straight up genetic fallacy. 

The EEC as it was then is a vastly different concept to the rotten edifice the EU has turned into.  A common market is something we like, handing over our sovereignty to a multinational body we have barely any say in...not so much.
Brexit had a thin majority on a question that was asked without any forethought about what to do next as the 350 million quid back to the NHS clearly shows. The voters were also told upfront that the referendum was not binding bit rather "advisery. Also the EEC of the seventies doesn't exist, you're stuck with the EU and you have four options.

Norway, pay the dues and accept the rules. Like the status quo but worse because you have no representation at all.

Canada, free trade excluding services which are most of your economy.

The rest of the world, tariffs a mile high and you're in competition with the EU superstate in most markets.

Admit you goofed and come back to the EU with your tail between your legs.

Face it, Brexiters left-right and barking mad all have one thing in common. They don't have a clue what to do if they get what they want. You included!

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #126 on: July 07, 2016, 04:04:53 am »
The Queen will step in.

Ironbite-she will almost have to.

Stick a few heads on pikes and tell everyone the family is back in charge of the empire.  ;D


Here I was thinking Ibbles was talking about our Queen.

I suspect she'd handle it pretty much the same way.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #127 on: July 07, 2016, 04:29:44 am »
Where the fuck is Lithp? Maybe DD, UP et al were Lithp all along.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #128 on: July 07, 2016, 05:43:55 am »
Conty would have us believe that all those in favor of Brexit are conservative little Englanders like him, they aren't. He'd also have us believe that all those opposed to Brexit are "unwashed lefties" like these lawyers acting on behalf of a group of business people and academics presumably. It's never so simple.

Originally it was the Tories who were pro integration into the common market and Labour who were opposed, people are only now starting to remember Corbyn's vote against membership of the EEC in 1975. That changed after Blair but Corbyn decidedly isn't Blair but rather a member of Labour's socialist old guard

Well, you know.  If you're out protesting to try and force the government to ignore the result of a vote you lost, you're in the same boat as a bunch of smelly students who now want to disenfranchise the old because they had the sheer audacity to vote the *wrong* way.

You know, the blatantly undemocratic shit that is the hallmark of campus leftism.

And that "DURR HURR DURR THE TORIES TOOK US INTO EUROPE" thing is just a straight up genetic fallacy. 

The EEC as it was then is a vastly different concept to the rotten edifice the EU has turned into.  A common market is something we like, handing over our sovereignty to a multinational body we have barely any say in...not so much.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #129 on: July 08, 2016, 01:52:54 pm »
Also the EEC of the seventies doesn't exist

Thank you for basically reiterating my point

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Nope :)


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Re: Brexit
« Reply #130 on: July 08, 2016, 07:09:06 pm »
Also the EEC of the seventies doesn't exist

Thank you for basically reiterating my point

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, you're stuck with the EU

Nope :)
The point flew over your hat. You're stuck with the EU as your major trading partner..

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #132 on: July 09, 2016, 06:54:02 am »
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« Reply #133 on: July 11, 2016, 05:08:11 am »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #134 on: July 11, 2016, 08:25:37 am »
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