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Title: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Vanto on January 03, 2020, 11:47:19 am
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/airstrike-kills-top-iran-general-qassim-suleimani-baghdad-airport-iraqi-n1109821 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/airstrike-kills-top-iran-general-qassim-suleimani-baghdad-airport-iraqi-n1109821)

While I'm not shedding any tears for Soleimani, that doesn't mean I approve of this. Trump just sharply increased tensions in the region.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: ironbite on January 03, 2020, 12:11:36 pm
And all to make his impeachment trial...go away.

Ironbite-still doesn't stop the fact that he was impeached though.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: dpareja on January 03, 2020, 11:19:43 pm
but he wasn't impeached didn't you read that article by the guy the democrats called as a witness that said trump's not impeached until the articles go to the senate
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Id82 on January 04, 2020, 12:13:00 am
I'm glad I'm too old to be drafted. I in no way would want to support a war started by this buffoon President.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Skybison on January 04, 2020, 12:36:07 am
(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/07/trump_iran2.jpg?resize=698,750)

(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/07/trump_iran1.jpg?w=1932)
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: dpareja on January 04, 2020, 01:29:06 am
Well, in fairness, Obama did attack Libya, though it was before Trump tweeted about Obama's attacking either Libya or Iran.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: niam2023 on January 04, 2020, 01:46:24 am
As much as it seems this is bad, I'll remind everyone we have been here before.

Remember the Syria attack? Trump hit Syria and everyone panicked and thought this would surely be World War 3 by pissing off Russia.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Id82 on January 04, 2020, 08:57:04 am
Even if it doesn't start a huge war. It's really tainting our presence on the world's stage even further. Much so that it could take decades for allies and other country's to trust us again.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: dpareja on January 04, 2020, 11:08:37 pm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-general-airstrike-death-funeral-1.5415115

Now Thanos is saying that if Iran retaliates for this assassination, the US will hit 52 Iranian sites.

Including ones of cultural importance.

Which is a war crime, and both Thanos and anyone carrying out his orders would be liable under US law.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: niam2023 on January 05, 2020, 12:20:55 am
Trump is more like the Green Goblin. They really should do a President Norman story line in Marvel.

"Make America Goblin Again."
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: dpareja on January 05, 2020, 12:54:50 am
Trump is more like the Green Goblin. They really should do a President Norman story line in Marvel.

"Make America Goblin Again."

Yeah, but I'm calling him Thanos because his campaign literally compared him to the second-most prolific mass murderer in fiction, and an acquaintance of mine on another forum gets annoyed when anyone uses cutesy terms for him... so I say "Thanos" since I can say, it's not me, it's not lefty media, it's his own damn campaign.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Vanto on January 05, 2020, 11:41:59 am
The Iraqi Parliament just passed a resolution to request the removal of American troops:

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/05/793746580/iraqi-parliament-votes-to-expel-u-s-troops-from-country-in-wake-of-soleimani-str (https://www.npr.org/2020/01/05/793746580/iraqi-parliament-votes-to-expel-u-s-troops-from-country-in-wake-of-soleimani-str)

It's a non-binding resolution that has to be approved by the government, but it would be difficult for them to reject it outright.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: dpareja on January 05, 2020, 02:10:36 pm
I predict that exactly zero US soldiers will be removed as a result of this resolution.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Skybison on January 05, 2020, 05:29:35 pm
The USA invaded Iraq to give them FREEEEEDDDDDOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!! not the right to make their own choices.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: dpareja on January 05, 2020, 05:56:35 pm
The USA invaded Iraq to give them FREEEEEDDDDDOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!! not the right to make their own choices.

Well, yeah. That's pretty much been the hallmark of US foreign policy (especially in Latin America) for at least a century now.

EDIT: Also, over/under on how many people in the media will ask, if the US ends up at war with Iran, "how are you going to pay for it"?
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: dpareja on January 06, 2020, 10:28:06 pm
Oh, and since apparently the US media has collective amnesia on the point, let's just remember that the US overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammad Mosaddegh, in 1953 after he planned to nationalise Iranian oil supplies, replaced him with a brutal dictator, the Shah, and has been butthurt ever since 1979 that their nice compliant puppet state stepped out of line and tossed out their hand-picked leader.

The US has wanted regime change in Iran for forty years and they're about to go and get it by any means necessary.

If any other country did this sort of insane shit, they'd be decried as a rogue state.

The US is a rogue state and the entire regime needs to be overthrown and all the leaders past and present put on trial in The Hague.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Vanto on January 07, 2020, 12:41:21 am
Oh, and since apparently the US media has collective amnesia on the point, let's just remember that the US overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammad Mosaddegh, in 1953 after he planned to nationalise Iranian oil supplies, replaced him with a brutal dictator, the Shah, and has been butthurt ever since 1979 that their nice compliant puppet state stepped out of line and tossed out their hand-picked leader.

The US has wanted regime change in Iran for forty years and they're about to go and get it by any means necessary.

If any other country did this sort of insane shit, they'd be decried as a rogue state.

The US is a rogue state and the entire regime needs to be overthrown and all the leaders past and present put on trial in The Hague.

Chill, man. What brought this on?
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: niam2023 on January 07, 2020, 01:39:03 am
Oh, and since apparently the US media has collective amnesia on the point, let's just remember that the US overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammad Mosaddegh, in 1953 after he planned to nationalise Iranian oil supplies, replaced him with a brutal dictator, the Shah, and has been butthurt ever since 1979 that their nice compliant puppet state stepped out of line and tossed out their hand-picked leader.

The US has wanted regime change in Iran for forty years and they're about to go and get it by any means necessary.

If any other country did this sort of insane shit, they'd be decried as a rogue state.

The US is a rogue state and the entire regime needs to be overthrown and all the leaders past and present put on trial in The Hague.

Chill, man. What brought this on?

You'll learn over time that Dpareja is fond of statements this abjectly Moonbatty. That whenever a candidate that isn't Saint Bernie Sanders May He Live Forever is rising in the polls there's no candidate that "excites" the masses and can't possibly surmount Trump, for example.

Or I'll put it another way; he's insane, and most people on the Discord just roll their eyes and ignore him.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: niam2023 on January 07, 2020, 02:04:22 pm
By the way, welcome to the main page.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Cloud3514 on January 07, 2020, 11:43:22 pm

Or I'll put it another way; he's insane, and most people on the Discord just roll their eyes and ignore him.

Wait, we have a Discord server now? When did that happen?
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: niam2023 on January 08, 2020, 03:09:15 am

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Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: davedan on January 08, 2020, 06:36:59 pm
I take it this is why no one talks on the forums anymore, everyone is on Discord (what is discord is it like a live chat?).

I remember Livechat was a great generator of drama that spilled onto the forums.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Skybison on January 08, 2020, 07:06:45 pm
Oh thank you merciful god, it looks like Trump is backing down, because he's a weakling at heart with no stomach for a real fight WHICH IS A GOOD THING!  A war with Iran would have killing millions and destroyed the world's economy.  He might change his mind a re-escalate but for now this might not blow up.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: davedan on January 08, 2020, 07:21:48 pm
His biggest problem is that he has shown time and time again that he will back down and ultimately make concessions. I predict he wants to meet with the Iranians and institute a new "Tougher"
 Iran Deal -  which like his deal with North Korea will give the Iranians everything they want. Which may not be such a bad thing.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: niam2023 on January 08, 2020, 07:33:37 pm
I take it this is why no one talks on the forums anymore, everyone is on Discord (what is discord is it like a live chat?).

I remember Livechat was a great generator of drama that spilled onto the forums.

Yeah most of the talk goes on on the Discord. Much more people on there than on here.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 08, 2020, 09:39:36 pm
I take it this is why no one talks on the forums anymore, everyone is on Discord (what is discord is it like a live chat?).

I remember Livechat was a great generator of drama that spilled onto the forums.

Yeah most of the talk goes on on the Discord. Much more people on there than on here.

Forums are cozy though.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: ironbite on January 09, 2020, 07:51:58 am
And people don't nuke servers after promising a community wide talk because some unknown jackass comes in and says dumb shit.

Ironbite-yeah Trump blinked.  Which is a good thing.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Vanto on January 12, 2020, 07:45:46 pm
I take it this is why no one talks on the forums anymore, everyone is on Discord (what is discord is it like a live chat?).

I remember Livechat was a great generator of drama that spilled onto the forums.

Yeah most of the talk goes on on the Discord. Much more people on there than on here.

Guess that explains why this place is so inactive.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 12, 2020, 10:58:26 pm
Might have to get into the discord some time then.  :thinking:
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: dpareja on January 14, 2020, 11:47:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5-MI3XHSE

I was wrong, and I am very, very glad that I was.

CNN actually ran a piece about the coup against Mosaddegh.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: niam2023 on January 15, 2020, 01:08:33 am
How am I not surprised to see that Jill "Big Crystal" Stein voter is supposed to be someone whose opinion is valued?

I don't pay heed to Kyle Kulinski.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: dpareja on January 15, 2020, 02:26:29 am
I was linking that particular video because it contained the CNN clip for which I was commending CNN. What Kyle had to say about it is not relevant to the point that, contrary to what I had thought would prove the case, CNN did in fact run a piece covering the history of US-Iran relations.

If you want to give Kyle's commentary a miss, start at 0:22 and end at 4:00.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 18, 2020, 03:29:04 am
How am I not surprised to see that Jill "Big Crystal" Stein voter is supposed to be someone whose opinion is valued?

I don't pay heed to Kyle Kulinski.

Then who do you pay heed to? He's got far more integrity than 90% or more of the mainstream outlet people. He's up front about being very opinionated and is capable of admitting fault when needed. Unlike the awful dreck that were the moderators on that CNN Dem debate the other night or how NYT somehow still publishes Bedbug Bret Stevens, who's just another racist weirdo with a newspaper column and a victim complex who more properly belongs in a PragerU video rather than getting any attention from places that are supposed to be reputable.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: niam2023 on January 18, 2020, 11:59:14 am
You mean as opposed to a Green Party voting, Russia shilling, so called "Free Speech Absolutist" who's on record whinging on about "safe spaces" and content warnings?

I'm not going to apologize for the fact I get my news from the mainstream and a group of comedians.

But by all means, go ahead and share more about your opinions on the "Fake News Media". Just don't suddenly expect me to adore alternative media.

Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: davedan on January 19, 2020, 04:34:03 pm
Doesn't Kyle Kulinski actually get his news from the maintsream media too? Doesn't he really just provide opinion and commentary? I know the Young Turks are hiring some investigative journalists but most of the youtube news rely on the mainstream media (unless they simply make up the news ala info wars).

I don't mind Kyle but I have to say the funniest opinions I see are from Sam Seder and Michael Brooks.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: niam2023 on January 19, 2020, 04:49:04 pm
Yeah, and I recall seeing on Rationalwiki that Kyle Kulinski stepped out from the Justice Democrats because he didn't like that they got rid of Cenk Uygur, a sex pest, sexist, and general loonie.

So are we really at the point where you're tellin' me I'm just supposed to take the word of The Young Turks as truth and be "skeptical" of the Main Stream Media for...what, not kissing Bernie's feet?
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: davedan on January 19, 2020, 05:43:38 pm
What's the story with Cenk being a 'sex pest'? Hadn't heard that before. I know Cenk comes across very full on but the hole point of getting money out of US politics is actually really sensible.

But as I said these guys do 'opinions' you shouldn't get your news from them.

Just in the same way you should think about your own beliefs and not simply parrot the incredibly charismatic Christopher Hitchens. Although I must say I wish all the Hitch fans had stayed with him rather than migrating to Jordon 'Kermit' Peterson.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: niam2023 on January 19, 2020, 06:00:16 pm
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_n_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks#Cenk_means_battle

On top of how very long it took him to recognize the Armenian Genocide. And you know, the title of his fucking network was the same as the Nazi-like group that was involved with said genocide.
Title: Re: American drone strike kills Iranian general
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 19, 2020, 09:41:15 pm
Yeah, and I recall seeing on Rationalwiki that Kyle Kulinski stepped out from the Justice Democrats because he didn't like that they got rid of Cenk Uygur, a sex pest, sexist, and general loonie.

So are we really at the point where you're tellin' me I'm just supposed to take the word of The Young Turks as truth and be "skeptical" of the Main Stream Media for...what, not kissing Bernie's feet?

You don't have to be pro-Bernie to notice how unfairly slanted people in the media class get even remotely. You have to keep in mind what the slant is no matter what the source is. It's easy to dismiss TYT because of Cenk's baggage but its much more insidious when someone has baggage that's easily covered up because of their connections and the "correct opinions" than any edgy hothead e-celeb type like Uygur.