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Offline Ultimate Paragon

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6405 on: June 20, 2015, 10:45:54 pm »
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 20, 2015, 10:35:23 pm
Cept, it wasn't all that stupid.  Anita's said plenty of dumb shit, but that ain't much of an instance of it.  The only bone of contention is the "leap to an exclusively female lead," but given current trends in gaming, an exclusively female lead (as in, she doesn't share the spotlight with a male lead) would be a pretty big jump, from my experience.

There are two things wrong with that.

1. Anita claims she's all about equality, so this statement flies in the face of that.  You'd think she'd celebrate a game giving the option to play as a woman.  This just comes off as being sexist against men.

2. There are plenty of games with exclusively female protagonists.  Metroid, Tomb Raider, Portal, Okami, and Beyond Good and Evil just off the top of my head.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6406 on: June 20, 2015, 11:04:45 pm »
Wait. If it's sexist against men for Sarkeesian to want a game with an exclusively female protagonist*, does that mean that every single game with an exclusively male protagonist is sexist against women and thus Sarkeesian was right all along that there is a huge amount of sexism in videogames?


*I think it's dumb, certainly, but not sexist.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6407 on: June 20, 2015, 11:06:48 pm »
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 20, 2015, 11:04:45 pm
Wait. If it's sexist against men for Sarkeesian to want a game with an exclusively female protagonist*, does that mean that every single game with an exclusively male protagonist is sexist against women and thus Sarkeesian was right all along that there is a huge amount of sexism in videogames?


*I think it's dumb, certainly, but not sexist.

Having a game with exclusively male or female protagonists isn't necessarily sexist in itself.  Complaining about gender inclusivity without good reason, on the other hand...

In fact, let's change things around.  Imagine some guy bitching and moaning about a game giving you the option to play as a woman.  What would you think of him?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6408 on: June 20, 2015, 11:46:37 pm »
Without knowing why he objects, I don't know if he's being sexist or just stupid. Same as Sarkeesian.

I think Sarkeesian's point is something to the effect that there are too many games with male protagonists and some balance is needed. Or something. I don't claim to be able to read her mind, this is just a guess. Assuming that is her reasoning, I don't think it's sexist. I don't agree with it, either, but for reasons independent of sexism.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6409 on: June 21, 2015, 12:08:08 am »
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 20, 2015, 11:06:48 pm
Complaining about gender inclusivity without good reason, on the other hand...

Anita's not the one making a big deal out of something trivial.

Maybe UP meant for his post to be self-demonstrating worst-of-social-justice?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6410 on: June 21, 2015, 01:18:30 am »
I feel rather uncomfortable about mocking Anita after the crap she got.  She may have said some dumb or hyperbolic things but when someone 's gotten that level of abuse making a big deal about a tweet where she says she wanted a video game to have a female protagonist comes off as a false equivalence.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6411 on: June 21, 2015, 11:49:54 am »
Quote from: Skybison on June 21, 2015, 01:18:30 am
I feel rather uncomfortable about mocking Anita after the crap she got.  She may have said some dumb or hyperbolic things but when someone 's gotten that level of abuse making a big deal about a tweet where she says she wanted a video game to have a female protagonist comes off as a false equivalence.

Does Anita deserve harassment?  No.  But she does deserve mockery and criticism.  Her comments at E3 basically revealed her to be Jack Thompson 2: Electric Boogaloo.  And even before that, she'd proven herself to be a liar.

Don't believe me?  Have some video evidence:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1qmh3zHlo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1qmh3zHlo</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734</a>

She's also a thief, stealing footage and artwork for use in her video series:

http://victorsopinion.blogspot.com/2013/07/anitas-sources.html
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6412 on: June 21, 2015, 02:12:22 pm »
You really want A.S. to become irrelevant and forgotten, UP? Then quit posting so much shit about her. You and all the other people who obsess about her just keep her video and blogs views up in the stratosphere. Find some other webtard celebrity to squeeze one out to...
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6413 on: June 21, 2015, 03:45:46 pm »
Quote from: mellenORL on June 21, 2015, 02:12:22 pm
You really want A.S. to become irrelevant and forgotten, UP? Then quit posting so much shit about her. You and all the other people who obsess about her just keep her video and blogs views up in the stratosphere. Find some other webtard celebrity to squeeze one out to...

I guess you have a point.  But here's my question: what about her admirers and supporters?  Don't they bear some of the responsibility?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6414 on: June 21, 2015, 04:37:22 pm »
No. People are free to like and admire whatever they want.

You cannot tell them not to admire A.S. any more than they can tell you not to like Doom.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6415 on: June 21, 2015, 05:36:40 pm »
You want her to go away?  Stop retweeting her, pointing out when she drops a video, or just does anything.  She craves this attention.  Best way to ignore her is to literally ignore her.  Don't argue with her, don't debate her, just drop her.  She wouldn't even have the following she has if you people didn't get so fucking hot under the collar when she pointed out that your little hobby has issues that every other form of media has.

Ironbite-and no, her fans don't have any responsibility to not watch her shit. 
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6416 on: June 21, 2015, 05:44:50 pm »
Quote from: ironbite on June 21, 2015, 05:36:40 pm
You want her to go away?  Stop retweeting her, pointing out when she drops a video, or just does anything.  She craves this attention.  Best way to ignore her is to literally ignore her.  Don't argue with her, don't debate her, just drop her.  She wouldn't even have the following she has if you people didn't get so fucking hot under the collar when she pointed out that your little hobby has issues that every other form of media has.

Ironbite-and no, her fans don't have any responsibility to not watch her shit.

But they do put her on a pedestal.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6417 on: June 21, 2015, 05:51:03 pm »
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 21, 2015, 05:44:50 pm
Quote from: ironbite on June 21, 2015, 05:36:40 pm
You want her to go away?  Stop retweeting her, pointing out when she drops a video, or just does anything.  She craves this attention.  Best way to ignore her is to literally ignore her.  Don't argue with her, don't debate her, just drop her.  She wouldn't even have the following she has if you people didn't get so fucking hot under the collar when she pointed out that your little hobby has issues that every other form of media has.

Ironbite-and no, her fans don't have any responsibility to not watch her shit.

But they do put her on a pedestal.
So? I know people who put Stephanie Meyer on a pedestal, but I'm capable of leaving them be. We get that you hate Anita. You've said your piece. Nobody cares.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6418 on: June 21, 2015, 06:05:28 pm »
For fuck's sake, people, are you still on about this shit? You were having the same arguments when I had to leave, all the way back in February. Drop the gods bedamned subject, UP. Please.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6419 on: June 21, 2015, 06:06:12 pm »
Okay, let's talk about this somewhere else.

Back to the subject at hand, idiots praising Robert Mugabe's anti-white policies.

https://archive.is/PqBUp
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