Mr. Trump Goes to Washington

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

This happened partly because of establishment and leftist types normalizing violence and undermining confidence in the electoral process.

I love how right wingers are all about personal responsibility right up until the moment someone catches them with their hand in the cookie jar, or in this case the seat of American government then it's all "the left made me do it."

It's gonna be briefly confusing for them to settle on a new shared delusion while some are saying antifa inspired it, others are saying they literally are antifa, bussed in by George Soros and still others that they wouldn't act "like antifa" if you hadn't hurt their feelings by calling them racists and sexists in the first place.

I guess Vanto's on task, top equivocating and bullshitting there chap. There could get you a job on OANN with an "Ashli Babbit martyr" pin, "Q" cufflinks and an "all lives matter" T shirt.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-concedes-1.5865609

Trump has finally conceded the election, and called the attack on the US Capitol--an attack he encouraged--"heinous" and claimed it left him "outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem".

Also, the riot has now claimed five lives, including one member of the Capitol Police.

Over/under on how many days until Trump flips on this?

I'm not always the biggest fan of the US in foreign policy terms but you mob would be nuts if you didn't impeach the bastard and charge him with crimes that'd prevent him from legally holding office again. He may be out of his tiny little mind but he is not fucking playing, this was a beer hall putsch moment. You don't want follow up Kristallnacht's or Reichstag fires.

Yes it was an INCOMPETENT coup d'état. Trump made as much of a dogs breakfast of it as he's made of everything else he's touched but Trump's Mens Rea shouldn't be a matter of debate, regardless of U turn calls for calm and promises of a peaceful transition made only after the 'gravy seal coup' failed as hard as his stupid lawsuits. There's enough of the US public backing him and enough opportunistic shitheels like Ted Cruz who share his antipathy to democracy to mean he's still fucking dangerous, and he is still dangerous.

Impeach, throw the book at him - knock him out of the game.

Anything less is inviting a repeat performance.

[niam2023]

He's a Dave Rubinoid.

"I am the only true, HONEST Left or Centrist and everyone else is a terrible evil double plus bad WOKE cultist!! It just so happens I always invite conservatives on my show and never once call them out on their bullshit!"

He's full of just as much repugnant bullshit as Dave Rubin.

[dpareja]

I think Trump made his U-turn as a last-gasp effort to try to keep 34 Republicans onside if the House passes articles of impeachment.

You don't mess around when votes went 93-6 and 92-7 against you.

But I put the over/under at 13.5 days: even money on whether Trump flips before he leaves office, or after.

[ironbite]

Didn't you know?  That was ANTIFA storming the Capitol Building yesterday, to make Donald Trump and his supporters look really bad!  Ignore that a bunch of them have been identified (and yep, tons of white supremacists), Fox News and Matt "Florida Man" Gaetz says it was ANTIFA dammit, so it was! /s

It's no less stupid than claiming the antifa and BLM rioters last year were "actually" alt-right. Remember that?

This happened partly because of establishment and leftist types normalizing violence and undermining confidence in the electoral process. You wanna crow about how your rioting is getting positive results? Don't be surprised if other people try it. You wanna scream "all cops are bastards"? Don't be surprised if other people turn on law enforcement. And if you want to insist Trump couldn't have won without foreign interference... well, don't be surprised if people insist Biden couldn't have won without fraud.

Like it or not, actions have consequences. This is the chickens coming home to roost. Am I trying to justify what happened? No. What I'm trying to do is explain that when you try to normalize a tactic or an idea, it will inevitably be used against you. Pro-slavery politicians justified their stances based on states' rights, then started whining when Northern states passed personal liberty laws to prevent the return of runaway slaves in defiance of the Fugitive Slave Act. Trotsky endorsed violence and terror against political dissidents, then bitched and moaned when Stalin persecuted his followers. Nazi Germany committed terror bombing against Polish and British cities, then cried foul when the Allies did the same thing to Germany in retaliation. Things like this have happened over and over again. And they'll probably keep happening for as long as humanity exists.

Hey I just...I just wanna know.  When you pressed "post" did you think this would fly on this board?  Did you think you were gonna be applauded for this?  That we'd agree with this screeching and go "yeah man you're totally right"?  I really wanna know.  After I declare you a feckless fucktard who needs to find a very short pier to take a long walk off of into shark infested waters.

Ironbite-you feckless fucktard, go take a long walk off a short pier into shark infested waters.

[Vanto]

It's no less stupid than claiming the antifa and BLM rioters last year were "actually" alt-right. Remember that?

Except there has been evidence and charges brought to right wing extremists and accelerationists who instigated some of the violence to undermine the protests. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

This happened partly because of establishment and leftist types normalizing violence and undermining confidence in the electoral process.

What the fuck are you talking about? The only person I see normalizing violence and undermining the confidence in the electoral process is Trump, and it's been Trump since the beginning.

You wanna crow about how your rioting is getting positive results? Don't be surprised if other people try it.

So you're comparing the riots spurred on by the police against peaceful protestors who want police to stop being violent to rioters committing sedition against their own government and trying to stop the electoral process and the peaceful transfer of power?

You wanna scream "all cops are bastards"? Don't be surprised if other people turn on law enforcement.

They are bastards. I don't know why the right is surprised when they turn against them as well.

And if you want to insist Trump couldn't have won without foreign interference... well, don't be surprised if people insist Biden couldn't have won without fraud.

It's true people were saying that yet the peaceful transfer of power happened and liberals accepted Trumps legitimate win in 2016 even with or without foreign interference. What I would have liked to have seen is the right do the fucking same instead of being sore loser cry babies.

What I'm trying to do

What I would like you to try and do is kindly fuck off.

1. I know. The problem is the idea that they were the only ones doing it.

2. Don't gaslight me. I have articles saying 2016 was stolen and defending the riots. You gonna call or fold?

3. No, I'm comparing rioters storming into Congress to rioters trying to burn down the Portland mayor's condo.

4. A lot of people on the right don't trust the cops, especially not ones in areas they consider

5. Have you forgotten the refrains of "not my president" already?

This happened partly because of establishment and leftist types normalizing violence and undermining confidence in the electoral process.

I love how right wingers are all about personal responsibility right up until the moment someone catches them with their hand in the cookie jar, or in this case the seat of American government then it's all "the left made me do it."

It's gonna be briefly confusing for them to settle on a new shared delusion while some are saying antifa inspired it, others are saying they literally are antifa, bussed in by George Soros and still others that they wouldn't act "like antifa" if you hadn't hurt their feelings by calling them racists and sexists in the first place.

I guess Vanto's on task, top equivocating and bullshitting there chap. There could get you a job on OANN with an "Ashli Babbit martyr" pin, "Q" cufflinks and an "all lives matter" T shirt.

Question about personal responsibility. You'd condemn these people even if those tinfoilers are correct and agent provocateurs really did get the ball rolling, right? That's what I'd do. After all, even if antifa started it, they could've chosen not to do the same.

He's a Dave Rubinoid.

"I am the only true, HONEST Left or Centrist and everyone else is a terrible evil double plus bad WOKE cultist!! It just so happens I always invite conservatives on my show and never once call them out on their bullshit!"

He's full of just as much repugnant bullshit as Dave Rubin.

I know you use the main site, so you know the only one full of shit is you. Hell, I've called out people who've said that Biden only won because of voter fraud.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-concedes-1.5865609

Trump has finally conceded the election, and called the attack on the US Capitol--an attack he encouraged--"heinous" and claimed it left him "outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem".

Also, the riot has now claimed five lives, including one member of the Capitol Police.

Over/under on how many days until Trump flips on this?

Even if he doesn't, I don't think his stans will accept it. Honestly, I wouldn't put it past them to literally drag him back into the Oval Office if it came to that.

[Eiki-mun]

Ah yes. The right wing did something heinous so it's time for someone to come out of the woodwork screeching "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LEEEEFT!!?!?!"

Fuck off. This is the fault of the Trump terrorists and Trump, and them alone. Your whataboutisms have no power here.

[ironbite]

I'm sorry what part of fuck off and never come back don't you understand Vanto?

Ironbite-or are you that much of a Trumper you can't take a hint?

[Vanto]

Ah yes. The right wing did something heinous so it's time for someone to come out of the woodwork screeching "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LEEEEFT!!?!?!"

Fuck off. This is the fault of the Trump terrorists and Trump, and them alone. Your whataboutisms have no power here.

Oh please. "The right" didn't do this, anymore than "the left" did the rioting last year. Some right-wingers did this, and some left-wingers did that. And if I wanted to play whataboutism, I would've pointed to specific events rather than general trends.

Is it really that hard for you people to disagree without being hostile about it? Say what you will about dpareja, at least he can read my posts without flying off the handle.

I think Trump made his U-turn as a last-gasp effort to try to keep 34 Republicans onside if the House passes articles of impeachment.

You don't mess around when votes went 93-6 and 92-7 against you.

But I put the over/under at 13.5 days: even money on whether Trump flips before he leaves office, or after.

Actually, looking at the speech, does he even use the word "concession" once? Does he ever refer to the administration by name instead of just saying "new administration"? And he concludes the speech by saying "our incredible journey is only just beginning". I have a feeling this isn't actually a concession speech, this is a promise to continue trying to overturn the results DISGUISED as a concession speech.

[Skybison]

BTW here's a really good piece about how the gamergate movement led to the rise of trumpian fascism (it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one) And what lessons we need to learn from it.

Give it a read Vanto
https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/1/20/20808875/gamergate-lessons-cultural-impact-changes-harassment-laws

[Vanto]

BTW here's a really good piece about how the gamergate movement led to the rise of trumpian fascism (it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one) And what lessons we need to learn from it.

Give it a read Vanto
https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/1/20/20808875/gamergate-lessons-cultural-impact-changes-harassment-laws

Maybe tomorrow. It's getting late.

[ironbite]

Fuck off and don't come back.

[Askold]

BLM protests were mainly peaceful and remind me how many people were killed or if these people were chanting for death to their enemies?

This "protest" at the capitol happened after ages of right-wing talking heads promoting it and telling people to take grab their guns and riot if Trump loses. Before it happened Trump was at a rally telling people to march to capitol and that he would be right there with them. Heck, there was at least one elected and newly sworn in politician proudly taking part in the charge. There is a world of difference in the rhetorics of BLM protests and this latest protest. These people were screaming for a civil war.

That they now try to both claim it was an ANTIFA false flag operation and meant to be peaceful AND at the same time claiming the dead are martyrs to the cause is hypocritical. Heck, the dude in the buffalo costume was branded an ANTIFA member but he himself came out saying that he's a Qanon believer (which actually has been well documented. He was a known figure, not some random person who just popped up for this riot.)

And the people who accused Trump of collusion with Russia were holding peaceful protests, no deaths there. Heck, the Russia investigation did uncover a bunch of crimes and the only reason the precident wasn't charged with crimes was because he is the president and he would have had to be removed from office first. Mueller said so himself. Meanwhile none of the 50+ court cases from the latest election led to anything. The usual proceeding was "lawyers rant about evidence of wrongdoings at press meetings, but when in court and under oath, they admit that they have no evidence and are not suggesting that anything illegal happened." If you are going to accuse someone of the violence that happened at DC, it would have to be the Republican politicians like Trump or Ted Cruz who have been pouring gasoline all over the country for years and handing out matches to anyone who looked unstable. And note how there was no national guard keeping the peace at DC. Trump refused to let them be called in. That's like taking out all the fire extinguishers and then acting surprised that your firebomb was so devastating.


As it is, Vanto's "but whatabout the leeeeft" rant is pitiful last attempt to save face after their own buddies shot themselves in the foot repeatedly. Just another example of people who can not live knowing that not only is something their own damn fault, but that other people can also see it clearly.


EDIT: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/republican-lawmakers-rioters-capitol-photos-b1784170.html?fbclid=IwAR2QDAiRZSNdIrPzf6FUWp2eV-pdnnKmHrs4UmYw5tyaIJfYiZHq9WLFPkQ

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

Question about personal responsibility. You'd condemn these people even if those tinfoilers are correct and agent provocateurs really did get the ball rolling, right? That's what I'd do. After all, even if antifa started it, they could've chosen not to do the same.

Honestly mate if the tinfoilers were correct I wouldn't worry at all about personal responsibility at all because, y'know-tinfoil. It'd be obvious that any happening involving "people" would be due to adrenochrome-powered mind control rays aimed by the space lizard/Democrat/Jew/antifa/commie/free space here.

That's what the foil is for. Obviously!

[dpareja]

Is it really that hard for you people to disagree without being hostile about it? Say what you will about dpareja, at least he can read my posts without flying off the handle.

I just don't bother to respond to the parts that are obvious bullshit.

I think Trump made his U-turn as a last-gasp effort to try to keep 34 Republicans onside if the House passes articles of impeachment.

You don't mess around when votes went 93-6 and 92-7 against you.

But I put the over/under at 13.5 days: even money on whether Trump flips before he leaves office, or after.

Actually, looking at the speech, does he even use the word "concession" once? Does he ever refer to the administration by name instead of just saying "new administration"? And he concludes the speech by saying "our incredible journey is only just beginning". I have a feeling this isn't actually a concession speech, this is a promise to continue trying to overturn the results DISGUISED as a concession speech.

Even if that is so, having observed Trump for the last half-decade, he won't be able to maintain the façade for long.

[Id82]

1. I know. The problem is the idea that they were the only ones doing it.

No one's fucking saying they weren't the only ones doing it. You seem to be equating rioting and protests over police brutality with insurrection and sedition over a grand delusion. This is not the fucking same.

2. Don't gaslight me. I have articles saying 2016 was stolen and defending the riots. You gonna call or fold?

Sigh, nobodies saying people weren't angry about 2016. Nobody tried to overthrow the government and the peaceful transfer of power happened. This isn't the fucking same.

3. No, I'm comparing rioters storming into Congress to rioters trying to burn down the Portland mayor's condo.

So you're comparing burning a picnic table outside a mayor's house in anger to sedition against the United states government by terrorizing the US Capital because of lies and conspiracy? Knock it off with this "enlightened centrism" bullshit. You're clearly not putting any thought into what just happened, and just want to say both sides are evil. You know what? I'm fucking done with you, don't bother responding to this.