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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: Her3tiK on January 24, 2012, 01:18:18 am
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http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/NEWS.html?article=9653697
LOS ANGELES (CNS) - Joint military training exercises will be held evenings in downtown Los Angeles through Thursday, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.
The LAPD will be providing support for the exercises, which will also be held in other portions of the greater Los Angeles area, police said.
Fuck it. Just fuck it. This country isn't worth saving. Let it tear itself apart because of bullshit like this. I don't care anymore.
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I am confused what's wrong with conducting exercises in a city... perhaps you can explain?
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I am confused what's wrong with conducting exercises in a city... perhaps you can explain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
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I am confused what's wrong with conducting exercises in a city... perhaps you can explain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
In the context of the article that doesn't tell me anything. This is a rather routine thing. They aren't enforcing the law of the land. They're doing exercises. I see nothing that says they're trying to enforce the law. Nor does the act prohibit enforcing of the law, it just has to be approved by Congress.
When they actually do start trying to arrest people without Congress consent then you can tell me I should be upset.
Exercises are just that, exercises.
Unless we're being paranoid they're doing the exercises to prepare for something bad.
EDIT- or you're trying to tell me it's some sort of stealth cover-up.
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I am confused what's wrong with conducting exercises in a city... perhaps you can explain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
In the context of the article that doesn't tell me anything. This is a rather routine thing. They aren't enforcing the law of the land. They're doing exercises. I see nothing that says they're trying to enforce the law. Nor does the act prohibit enforcing of the law, it just has to be approved by Congress.
When they actually do start trying to arrest people without Congress consent then you can tell me I should be upset.
Exercises are just that, exercises.
Unless we're being paranoid they're doing the exercises to prepare for something bad.
EDIT- or you're trying to tell me it's some sort of stealth cover-up.
It's Obamarama's brown Shirts taking over, don't you see?! LA will become the new Berlin!
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Why are the police drilling with the military? Because the police are becoming more militarised. Ever seen video of US soldiers in Iraq? The police in both our countries have been gradually getting more paranoid, even as crime rates rapidly go down, more concerned for their own safety and less for ours. Hence police special forces, hence automatic rifles, hence police tanks, hence no-knock warrants, hence tasers and pepper spray and no oversight and no prosecution for assault. And army protects and serves someone else than the people where it stays.
And why are the army drilling with the police? Because the government wants them to be good at enforcing the law if and when they decide for them to.
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I think you're dreadfully paranoid and need to focus on the real demons in our midst. We have enough of them without conjuring up new ones based on very routine events.
It happened in Boston (http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=19155) apparently too last year and nothing has happened. Outside of the US it happened in London in other places and nothing has happened.
The wikipedia page for military exercises and operations is rife with similar things. Going back decades.
Dasfuchs has it right in how ridiculous people are sounding in response to this.
In my own itty city we had a similar thing going on. We had them in Hawaii. These things are rather routine.
Again, unless you're telling me this goes back way before the first World War...
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It takes a long time to militarize a police force in a way that the populace won't notice!
Also, VIPR squads!
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Just because they are routine doesn't mean it is good. This could easily just be an excuse to bring in a whole lot of police and military people to intimidate the populace, especially in light of the Occupy movement.
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Just because they are routine doesn't mean it is good. This could easily just be an excuse to bring in a whole lot of police and military people to intimidate the populace, especially in light of the Occupy movement.
Or it could be a continuation of what has been going on for decades - nothing.
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Just because they are routine doesn't mean it is good. This could easily just be an excuse to bring in a whole lot of police and military people to intimidate the populace, especially in light of the Occupy movement.
If the populace is intimidated by something that has been going on constantly for literally over one century (at least in the US to what I can see) then that is totally their problem for being that f'ing paranoid.
People are giving the government way too much credit and like I have told other people by doing that you give them a lot more power over you than if you had a proper amount of wariness about an entity. It's kind of a paradox actually.
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It's all just paranoid bs. This has been going on for decades.
As I understand it, these types of events are to train police and the military how to respond effectively to large scale disasters, much like Katrina.
And for you frothing nuts, that doesn't mean how to line the populace up and execute them WWII Nazi style
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Contrary to popular belief Posse Comitatus is fairly loose.
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Meh. Whatever. Military is training. Police are helping out and (probably) engaging in a little Watch 'n' Learn. Boring.
[/off to find some internet porn]
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It bothers me so much in context of how the police have treated the various Occupy encampments. Their behavior has been barbaric enough without getting the military involved, because everyone knows what pillars of morality they've been.
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It bothers me so much in context of how the police have treated the various Occupy encampments. Their behavior has been barbaric enough without getting the military involved, because everyone knows what pillars of morality they've been.
Oh, you bet, they definitely need military training to accomplish things like that because look what a sloppy job they did. I mean they didn't execute people like a communist dictatorship and they didn't confiscate every camera capable of capturing evidence.
Why now they'll be able to mow the crowds down and shoot teargas more accurately.
In 5 years police will be touring the streets in Abrams tanks, I know it, it'll be just like New Dominion!
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Why then do they need military training in the first place? The military and police are two separate institutions with separate goals.
Just because it has been going on for decades doesn't mean it is necessary.
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It does mean it's odd to view it as a sign of the coming apocalypse, though.
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I don't see it as the sign of the coming apocalypse, I would rather just not have the police and the military conducting exercises in my backyard.
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Why then do they need military training in the first place? The military and police are two separate institutions with separate goals.
Just because it has been going on for decades doesn't mean it is necessary.
Because, once again, sometimes the police and military need to work side by side in things like natural disasters. The police need to be able to respond in any way imaginable at least till the military can make it in to lend aid. The police are not fully trained to do this, not by a long shot. If anything Katrina proved this already.
This is what is called training for the inevitable so the police and military can respond when something devastating takes place.
Hell, here's even another reason for it
http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2009/06/lapd-supports-urban-military-training-exercises.html (http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2009/06/lapd-supports-urban-military-training-exercises.html)
From 2009, and people were going stupid then even when it was explained, because SURPRISE, the military does indeed work in urban settings now as it has for the past 10 years
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Why then do they need military training in the first place? The military and police are two separate institutions with separate goals.
Just because it has been going on for decades doesn't mean it is necessary.
Your first sentence is the problem. They're not getting military training they're getting training to work well with the local military unit in case of emergencies which are as varied as everyone's conspiracy theories. They're not learning how to snipe Occupiers. They're not learning how to throw grenades into tents. They are learning how to cooperate with the military in case of disasters. Which the police forces around the world need help with.
You have former military and military brats telling you it's routine (along with a swath of sources) and me agreeing with dasfuchs for the first time in a long time. Shouldn't this tell you something?
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Sure is tinfoil in here
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But Shane, the TRUTHâ„¢ is much more important than any so-called "facts."
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"The exercises are designed to ensure the military's ability to operate in urban environments, prepare forces for upcoming overseas deployments, and meet mandatory training certification requirements..."
The military is training to operate in urban areas, which are hard to simulate. The police are doing their part and keeping civilians out of the areas and ensure the safety of everyone.
Can we stop channeling Glen Beck now?
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But Shane, the TRUTHâ„¢ is much more important than any so-called "facts."
Right. My mistake. I guess I'm part of the conspiracy then.
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Ah yes, I've had a look around and this seems to be pretty common everywhere. It seems Soviet troops were even ordered to help to out with harvests.
However, I don't see what is so paranoid about being critical or skeptical of the police and the military.
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However, I don't see what is so paranoid about being critical or skeptical of the police and the military.
I think skepticism becomes paranoia when you assume a task that has happened often before to suddenly have an ulterior motive, especially when there is little bases to assume any.
Sure the occupy crackdowns were brutal, but I don't think you need to worry some authoritarian military police conspiracy because of some training. Also with regards to police acting like military, the USA has SWAT members who basically receive military training to perform their job. Similarly in South Africa where violent crime is critically high, the local police generally are equipped like the military in combat gear. (They lack the training, but that's more corruption and incompetence.)
Also here is a positive thought. Perhaps if the US military spent more time training in urban areas they wouldn't destroy as much or cause as many civilian casualties when they invade another country again.
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Ah yes, I've had a look around and this seems to be pretty common everywhere. It seems Soviet troops were even ordered to help to out with harvests.
However, I don't see what is so paranoid about being critical or skeptical of the police and the military.
It becomes paranoid when people go 'fuck it. we're all doomed! The police are training to be like the military to kill civilians! We're doomed! POLICE STATE! POLICE STATE!'
Are we all okay now? Can we calm down and let something very routine happen without squawking about a coming police state reminiscent of Communist Russia?
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Damn I evened out your Karma.
Ironbite-BAD RAPTOR BAD!
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Damn I evened out your Karma.
Ironbite-BAD RAPTOR BAD!
LOL and in one minute it went right back to being uneven. :P
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Damn I evened out your Karma.
Ironbite-BAD RAPTOR BAD!
LOL and in one minute it went right back to being uneven. :P
let me fix that for ya
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Thanks. ;)
I assume everything is cool now that it's been calmly explained what these exercises are. lol
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Ah yes, I've had a look around and this seems to be pretty common everywhere. It seems Soviet troops were even ordered to help to out with harvests.
However, I don't see what is so paranoid about being critical or skeptical of the police and the military.
Because you and others jumped on the "Oh noes!" bandwagon without even knowing, understanding, or looking up what was going on. It's the same bullshit kneejerk reaction we trash fundies for
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I know I'm easily distracted. But in damned near 80 years now, I have never noted joint military/police exercises in cities.
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Usually if it doesn't happen in the city you live in you won't really notice unless it gets put on the news for some reason, Viking. Or, as demonstrated in the OP, people have a kneejerk reaction and start spreading it around like it's a warning about a police state.
We had an exercise done a couple years ago where part of the city was shut down. They try not to do it very often because it does disrupt daily life.
Seriously, a bit of Google work would prove it isn't as rare as people want to think it is. It just usually passes by without much ado.
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I agree that I jumped the gun and should have looked around. However, there are innumerable examples of the military being used in crackdowns against civil dissent. I don't think America is on the verge of becoming a police state, it's just that governments will use armed force to maintain control.