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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: DiscoBerry on February 04, 2012, 06:21:05 pm
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PHOENIX (CBS5) -
Arizona is already taking a lot of heat for its reputation regarding illegal immigration, and for Gov. Jan Brewer's finger-wagging at President Barack Obama during a recent visit, and a state lawmaker isn't exactly helping the state's image.
Rep. Cecil Ash, a Republican from Mesa, is suggesting Arizona needs a holiday for white people.
"I wanted to speak to you all about Latino Americans here in Arizona," said state Rep. Richard Miranda on the House floor Monday, starting the conversation that sparked the controversy.
Miranda said Arizona should have a Latino American day in Arizona.
After some heated debate, Rep. Cecil Ash stepped up to the mic.
"I'm supportive of this proposition. I just want them to assure me that when we do become in the minority you'll have a day for us," Ash said.
Reaction on the streets is mixed.
"Crazy idea," one person said.
"Good idea. Like they have Cinco de Mayo for Mexicans. We need something for whites," another commented.
Ash never thought his comment would cause such a stir.
"There was a little contention there so I was just really trying to lighten things up a little bit," Ash said.
He did get some laughs that day.
Video at Link
http://current.com/news-and-politics/93649018_arizona-birther-lawmaker-wants-holiday-for-white-people.htm (http://current.com/news-and-politics/93649018_arizona-birther-lawmaker-wants-holiday-for-white-people.htm)
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...Subtle racism, I guess.
White Victimization is a classic tactic of those people.
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Do these people know that there is a holiday for whites? It's called EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR!?
Ironbite-morons.
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Or independence day.
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It's like a child asking why there's a mother's and father's day but not a child's day...
*facepalms*
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It's like a child asking why there's a mother's and father's day but not a child's day...
*facepalms*
Y'know, I never did get a straight answer to that question when I was little. ???
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Besides every day is supposed to be child's day if you treat your kids properly?
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They have that in Japan.
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It's like a child asking why there's a mother's and father's day but not a child's day...
*facepalms*
LOL, that. This guy is either racist, an idiot, or both. Not sure yet, actually, though the reputation the rest of the state has doesn't help his case very much.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. You guys don't have child's day in America? The fuck is wrong with your country?
I mean, besides all the racists shitstains like this guy. Seriously, dude. Your entire culture is pretty much a celebration of whiteness, you don't need a special day.
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And here I was thinking Easter was National White People Day...
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...Subtle racism, I guess.
Pretty overt, I'd say.
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...Wait, no, this is something completely unrelated. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Day)
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Uh, isn't there Colombus Day? Isn't that enough to celebrate colonialism?
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It's like a child asking why there's a mother's and father's day but not a child's day...
*facepalms*
Y'know, I never did get a straight answer to that question when I was little. ???
Because there's already a day for kids to get balloons, cake, and presents.
It's called a birthday. And because kids have birthdays on different days, you can have cake multiple times per year.
Anyone else vote we kick Arizona out of the Union?
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It's like a child asking why there's a mother's and father's day but not a child's day...
*facepalms*
Y'know, I never did get a straight answer to that question when I was little. ???
Because there's already a day for kids to get balloons, cake, and presents.
It's called a birthday. And because kids have birthdays on different days, you can have cake multiple times per year.
Anyone else vote we kick Arizona out of the Union?
Better idea. We immediately transfer control of Arizona to the Navajo tribe.
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Do these people know that there is a holiday for whites? It's called EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR!?
Ironbite-morons.
This, basically.
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What culture, exactly, would White People Day celebrate anyways? English? Irish? Scottish? Italian? Norwegian? Finnish?
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We have Thanksgiving, Saint Patrick's Day, Columbus day and Leif Erikson day. Unfortunantly, nothing for the Scots to my knowledge though.
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It's like a child asking why there's a mother's and father's day but not a child's day...
*facepalms*
Y'know, I never did get a straight answer to that question when I was little. ???
Because there's already a day for kids to get balloons, cake, and presents.
It's called a birthday. And because kids have birthdays on different days, you can have cake multiple times per year.
Anyone else vote we kick Arizona out of the Union?
I vacation'd in Arizona once as a little kid. Saw raccoons, heard coyotes.
Don't kick the raccoons and coyotes out of the union :<
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So St. Patrick's day isn't white enough for these people?
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Does anyone really need a day? Or even a month? Shouldn't people treat each other with dignity and awareness every day?
I kind of think race/culture days are just a token to assuage white guilt over being the dominating demographic in the US (And a few other countries).
IMHO white folks shouldn't feel guilty about what their ancestors did, other races shouldn't feel 'owed', and people need to stop being dicks in general.
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White people shouldn't feel guilty but minorities are owed. For centuries they were kept down under a white majority, as slaves or they were driven off their land or just outright shot. Even after the Civil War, blacks still suffered heavily from racism and then the Jim Crow laws legislated racism. Native Americans have had their land titles stripped away and suffered from genocide, which many people to this day refuse to acknowledge. And to claim that racism is dead today would be wilful blindness.
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The poor oppressed white folk, having to share about a month & half of a year with others...
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It's like a child asking why there's a mother's and father's day but not a child's day...
*facepalms*
Y'know, I never did get a straight answer to that question when I was little. ???
Because there's already a day for kids to get balloons, cake, and presents.
It's called a birthday. And because kids have birthdays on different days, you can have cake multiple times per year.
Anyone else vote we kick Arizona out of the Union?
Wait, moms and dads don't have birthdays over there?
What sorcery is this?!
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What, you haven't gotten to level 8 yet?
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What, you haven't gotten to level 8 yet?
There's a level eight?!
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Wait, moms and dads don't have birthdays over there?
What sorcery is this?!
Moms and dad have birthdays, but they're not traditionally occasions where the bulk of the extended family comes together on the weekend to party and give the birthday person gifts.
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Wait, moms and dads don't have birthdays over there?
What sorcery is this?!
Moms and dad have birthdays, but they're not traditionally occasions where the bulk of the extended family comes together on the weekend to party and give the birthday person gifts.
... You people are weird.
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White people shouldn't feel guilty but minorities are owed.
One is owed equal rights, treatment, and opportunities. One is owed for their own personal suffering, humiliation, discrimination... But if you're a person of a minority race, I don't believe you're owed some form of clan debt incurred by one person's ancestors against your ancestors. And sure, I might say that as a privileged mostly-caucasian Canadian, but in fairness, how many cultures have NEVER at some point in their history done some hideous inhumane thing to the people of another?
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White people shouldn't feel guilty but minorities are owed.
One is owed equal rights, treatment, and opportunities. One is owed for their own personal suffering, humiliation, discrimination... But if you're a person of a minority race, I don't believe you're owed some form of clan debt incurred by one person's ancestors against your ancestors. And sure, I might say that as a privileged mostly-caucasian Canadian, but in fairness, how many cultures have NEVER at some point in their history done some hideous inhumane thing to the people of another?
Wait, equal rights opportunities, anti-racism legislation, etc aren't part of some 'clan debt'? I don't mean that each and every white person has to go and personally apologise for earlier actions, I just think that governments should acknowledge it, say sorry on a collective basis and then try and rectify it through equal opportunity acts, greater funding for welfare, education and so on.
Also, most cultures and ethnic groups have done shit in the past, you are right. But it is not as if the native Americans managed to invade Europe and colonise it while destroying entire cultures and ethnic groups. They never went to China, bought millions of slaves and carried them over to Europe to work on farms, treated them as property and institutionalised racism against them.
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"Payback" is not the point of affirmative action laws. "Evening the playing field" is the point, because minorities are at an inherent disadvantage due to white privilege and institutionalized racism.
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The reason we need specific times to recognize the achievements of blacks and Latinos is because otherwise, students won't be told about them in many curriculi. I wish there was no need for things like Black History Month or Latino Day. I wish that history was truly taught from an unbiased standpoint, and that all contributions were acknowledged in the basic curriculum. Unfortunately, that isn't so. It's not even deliberate in many cases. A lot of the time, teachers just don't think about it because they weren't taught about it in school. So we have these events to remind them that, hey, not everyone in history was white.
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Yeah, at a certain point all the teachers I know groan, "Oh, not another dead white guy."
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"Payback" is not the point of affirmative action laws. "Evening the playing field" is the point, because minorities are at an inherent disadvantage due to white privilege and institutionalized racism.
I agree it's not payback. Just that evening the field means pushing back the other way.
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The reason we need specific times to recognize the achievements of blacks and Latinos is because otherwise, students won't be told about them in many curriculi. I wish there was no need for things like Black History Month or Latino Day. I wish that history was truly taught from an unbiased standpoint, and that all contributions were acknowledged in the basic curriculum. Unfortunately, that isn't so. It's not even deliberate in many cases. A lot of the time, teachers just don't think about it because they weren't taught about it in school. So we have these events to remind them that, hey, not everyone in history was white.
This. So much this.
We need to fix the history curriculum BADLY.
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The reason we need specific times to recognize the achievements of blacks and Latinos is because otherwise, students won't be told about them in many curriculi.
Well of course. In the scenario where nobody would have a 'day', history WOULD be taught honestly and without cultural bias. I guess it means that in this current society we do need them because as mentioned, some push-back is required to even things out. But ultimately, if the ground WERE even, those holidays wouldn't be necessary.
And by 'clan debt' I mean an overcompensation out of guilt, more than is warranted to give people equal opportunities in life. I shouldn't be constantly bombarded with the cultural message that I should feel guilty because of my race, or that I owe someone else because of theirs.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/colorblind/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/colorblind/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism)
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Being completely colorblind, or trying to, isn't realistic either, because it glosses over differences that can affect interpersonal relationships.
The ideal might be to understand, accept, and work with those differences, without focusing on them or stereotyping people based on them... However, I foresee a glitch: Humans, as a species, love to be able to categorize and label everything. From subspecies of bacteria and types of rock to emotions and ideas, humans want a concrete verbal symbol to represent the minutia of their world. But that desire also makes us very prone to stereotyping.
Stereotyping is almost certainly a survival tactic, it's a form of conditioned response so that you don't have to think about the situation if you might be in danger. And people are, by and large, mentally lazy. So getting them to understand that people are different along cultural or racial lines without them forming stereotypes is going to be really, really difficult.
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You stay classy, Arizona...