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Offline Gnostic Christian

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Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.

There are many strange things in the myth of Adam and Eve.
Was Adam born alone or first?
If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?
Satan is depicted in part as a woman.
Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.

In law, to be punished, one must be shown to have evil intent or an evil mind. Latin, Men’s Rea.

This is what human justice is based on.

Was Eve innocent, given that she had no evil intent?

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Re: Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2021, 01:36:56 am »
The whole story of Adam and Eve does not make sense as a moral lesson. Simply neither Adam nor Eve had 'knowledge of good or evil' until they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Both of them were innocent, both in the sense of not being guilty of a crime or sin but also in the sense of being naive. They were supremely naive as they had no knowledge of right and wrong. God lies to them and tells them the fruit will kill them when it will not. It also shows the Lord as being either not omniscient (not even having the basic forethought of knowing that if you put some fruit in the garden and forbid it, they will eat it -maybe leave the tree out of the garden) or being a massive dick by punishing them for something he knew they would do.

I have to say it was only later interpretations which identified the serpent in the garden with Satan (or the Devil) - the Satan in Job being the more usual Satan when these were written. The serpent seems really to be a good guy, like a Promethean character.

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Re: Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2021, 04:56:27 pm »
The whole story of Adam and Eve does not make sense as a moral lesson. Simply neither Adam nor Eve had 'knowledge of good or evil' until they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Both of them were innocent, both in the sense of not being guilty of a crime or sin but also in the sense of being naive. They were supremely naive as they had no knowledge of right and wrong. God lies to them and tells them the fruit will kill them when it will not. It also shows the Lord as being either not omniscient (not even having the basic forethought of knowing that if you put some fruit in the garden and forbid it, they will eat it -maybe leave the tree out of the garden) or being a massive dick by punishing them for something he knew they would do.

I have to say it was only later interpretations which identified the serpent in the garden with Satan (or the Devil) - the Satan in Job being the more usual Satan when these were written. The serpent seems really to be a good guy, like a Promethean character.

Well put.

I hate that we will likely never argue about morals.

You have likely read that the Jews see Original Virtue and elevation of man in Eden while Christianity reversed the moral of the story to our fall. A fall they sing about by calling Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

No sin would have derailed Yahweh's plan. A catch 22.

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