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Title: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: nickiknack on April 17, 2012, 11:00:54 pm
Yes, you read it right. One of NOM's collaborators, Ken Hutcherson, who is a pastor at a Seattle-area church thinks good parents should beat the gay out of their kids.

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There is no evidence at all that the homosexual was born that way. I guarantee you I was. I was born this way. I was born black, I’m living black, I’m going to die black.
 
You know we find out there’re criminal genes, they say, in some people. But do you know how to get rid of criminal gene? Two parents with a belt [laughs] gets rid of the criminal gene.

Discipline, understanding, good parenting removes the homosexual gene

http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/04/17/nom-collaborator-ken-hutcherson-says-good-parenting-means-beating-the-gay-out-of-your-kid/ (http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/04/17/nom-collaborator-ken-hutcherson-says-good-parenting-means-beating-the-gay-out-of-your-kid/)

Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people??  >:(
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 17, 2012, 11:05:06 pm
Never mind the fact that a lot of actual criminals did come from abusive parents.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: gyeonghwa on April 17, 2012, 11:10:04 pm
Never mind the fact that a lot of actual criminals did come from abusive parents.

^^^^^

Also fuck NOM. It's bad enough they're now putting adds in the Middle East where they'd know gay people are targeted for violence.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 17, 2012, 11:12:00 pm
Is this guy from Mars Hill Church? Because you mentioned a nutty Seattle-area church, and I think that might be the one. They've also said that yoga is demonic and that psychiatric medications are a "crutch."
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: rageaholic on April 17, 2012, 11:13:12 pm
Comparing homosexuals to criminals?  Advocated child abuse?  Sounds like a conservative. 

Fuck this guy. 
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 17, 2012, 11:22:53 pm
I... I don't even have an image to describe my reaction to this shit. And this group has serious political power!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY!? This surprises me, but really it shouldn't, I've heard violent and hateful stuff like this before. Maybe it's because it's a group with actual influence, not a couple lone nutters. I... words don't even... uh... I... I think I'll try to post a better response tomorrow.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 17, 2012, 11:24:29 pm
Can this guy get his ass legally handed to him for advocating violence? I mean, this is pretty obvious, innit?
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 17, 2012, 11:32:36 pm
Can this guy get his ass legally handed to him for advocating violence? I mean, this is pretty obvious, innit?

I don't think so. There are quite a few people who published parenting books advocating that people beat their child, and I don't think anything happened to them. I think they were also quoted on the main page a few times. Oh and there's this shit (http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=67487).
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Eniliad on April 17, 2012, 11:33:03 pm
Motherfucker...
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Meshakhad on April 18, 2012, 01:14:24 am
I have a serious urge to show up at this guy's church and punch him in the face. Wykked, you want to come?
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 18, 2012, 01:16:23 am
I have a serious urge to show up at this guy's church and punch him in the face. Wykked, you want to come?

I'm in. I'll bring the camera. And the glitter. >:-)
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Meshakhad on April 18, 2012, 01:22:17 am
I have a serious urge to show up at this guy's church and punch him in the face. Wykked, you want to come?

I'm in. I'll bring the camera. And the glitter. >:-)

So, we're going to cover him in glitter? Is this the 21st-century version of tarring and feathering? Because if so, I approve. With any luck, someone will confuse him for a sparklepire.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Radiation on April 18, 2012, 01:29:12 am
Well that was infuriating. I love how some people believe that doing stuff like this actually works.  ::)

Seriously, this guy is a douche. 
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: QueenofHearts on April 18, 2012, 01:32:54 am
I have a serious urge to show up at this guy's church and punch him in the face. Wykked, you want to come?

Why punch him in the face? This guy (Hutcherson) is a 60 year old man who had his NFL career cut short because of ACL injuries, go for his knees (is what I would say if I endorsed such violence). But if you need more incentive to do what I don't endorse, he's good friends with Rush Limbaugh and was the pastor for Rush's fourth marriage.

I love* that, a three timed divorced drug addict is fit to be married, but not two loving men. They should be beaten until they're straight. I feel the Christian love.

*and by love I mean WTF???
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Meshakhad on April 18, 2012, 01:36:02 am
Also, I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with naming your church after a pagan god.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 18, 2012, 02:26:41 am
Also, I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with naming your church after a pagan god.

Irony

The fundies don't get it
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: kefkaownsall on April 18, 2012, 07:46:36 am
To be fair Mars Hill is not a religous church (that was the church from the hates religion loves Jesus vid)
In all seriousness WTF NOM this is hellish
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: ironbite on April 18, 2012, 11:19:00 am
Oh NOM.....go away.

Ironbite-how you got power in this day and age I'll never know.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Old Viking on April 18, 2012, 03:26:58 pm
For Christians of this caliber, violence is always the answer.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: ironbite on April 18, 2012, 04:14:46 pm
Damn straight.

Hmmmmm....wait what if this causes gays to be into BDSM or something?  This requires a girl, candles, and some rope.

Ironbite-TO THE LABORATORY!  *runs off with L*
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Eniliad on April 18, 2012, 05:08:10 pm
If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go 'beat my gay out' if you know what I mean...
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: speshuled67 on April 18, 2012, 06:06:12 pm
wait, i dont get it.

is the kid supposed to be beaten before or after he comes out of the closet?

if so, is a parent just assuming their kid is gay?

so all parents should beat the crap out of all kids to prevent them from being gay?


im so confused...  :-[


oh wait, a guy from NOM said it? nevermind, they're fucking idiots.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: TheL on April 18, 2012, 07:07:48 pm
Damn straight.

Hmmmmm....wait what if this causes gays to be into BDSM or something?  This requires a girl, candles, and some rope.

Ironbite-TO THE LABORATORY!  *runs off with L*

Wait!  Where exactly do you plan to put those candles?!
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Stormwarden on April 18, 2012, 11:49:27 pm
So why aren't people allowed to beat fundies with belts? OH YEAH, because it's a dick thing to do to someone. Yeah, you can say whatever you want for the most part in the US, and everyone else is free to tell you to go fuck yourself.

Straight though I am, I'd LOVE to glitterbomb this douchebag, tell him to go fuck himself, and yell out "DEUS ES ENDIFFERENTE PRAE QUAM TYRANNIS!" (You'll have to translate that one yourselves ;))
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 19, 2012, 02:38:01 am
Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people??  >:(

How long do you need this list to be?
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Katsuro on April 19, 2012, 06:44:50 am
Damn straight.

Hmmmmm....wait what if this causes gays to be into BDSM or something? *


That does happen.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: ironbite on April 19, 2012, 11:29:41 am
Damn straight.

Hmmmmm....wait what if this causes gays to be into BDSM or something?  This requires a girl, candles, and some rope.

Ironbite-TO THE LABORATORY!  *runs off with L*

Wait!  Where exactly do you plan to put those candles?!

Not sure...we'll see where the night takes us.

Ironbite-TO THE LABORATORY!
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Dr. Killjoy on April 19, 2012, 06:24:11 pm
So why aren't people allowed to beat fundies with belts? OH YEAH, because it's a dick thing to do to someone. Yeah, you can say whatever you want for the most part in the US, and everyone else is free to tell you to go fuck yourself.

Straight though I am, I'd LOVE to glitterbomb this douchebag, tell him to go fuck himself, and yell out "DEUS ES ENDIFFERENTE PRAE QUAM TYRANNIS!" (You'll have to translate that one yourselves ;))

I'll go ahead and guess.

"God is indifferent to tyranny"?
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: speshuled67 on April 19, 2012, 08:38:59 pm
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DEUS ES ENDIFFERENTE PRAE QUAM TYRANNIS!

my latin is a little rusty, but i believe this translates as "please tell your pet tyrannosaurus to stop drinking all of my jesus juice"
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Stormwarden on April 19, 2012, 09:23:44 pm
It's supposed to mean that "God is no different than any other tyrant."
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Cerim Treascair on April 22, 2012, 12:33:18 pm
One good chop block to the legs and the fucker would never walk again... wouldn't even need pads!

*joins Ibby and L in the lab!*
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Danarth on April 22, 2012, 02:28:24 pm
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DEUS ES ENDIFFERENTE PRAE QUAM TYRANNIS!

my latin is a little rusty, but i believe this translates as "please tell your pet tyrannosaurus to stop drinking all of my jesus juice"

 That translation amuse me no end.

As for the beating the gay out of children...
Isn't it a loving, christian thing to do to advocate Child abuse...?

*Reads Bible* Ah...
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: The Aphotic Zone on April 22, 2012, 07:30:48 pm
I hate people who try to poison relations between the black and gay communities like this. Fuck you, NOM. Fuck you, Ken Hutcherson.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 29, 2012, 11:26:16 pm
I'm going to need my spiked cluebat for this nutbar.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Fpqxz on April 30, 2012, 04:19:27 am
I hate people who try to poison relations between the black and gay communities like this. Fuck you, NOM. Fuck you, Ken Hutcherson.

Divide and conquer, a trick as old as empire itself.

On another note, apart from the blatant homophobia here, why is corporal punishment so popular among religious fanatics?  Is it purely a control thing, or is there some deeper psychological issue at work here?
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 30, 2012, 05:24:19 am
It's a combination of many columns, so I can't even say "a little bit of column A and column B"

Aspects include:
1. The need for control
2. Psychological issues
3. Tradition.  The man is the king of his household, and all within are his subjects and must follow his rule.  Disobedience brings about punishment.  (Also, 1.)
4. The idea that being non-violent is weak and for spineless cowards.
5. The idea that if they aren't feeling pain, it isn't discipline - parents who "only" lock kids in their rooms are weak-willed cowards who are spoiling their kids.
6. They had the same thing done to them when they were kids.  They feel like they deserved it.  Because if their kids don't deserve it, maybe they didn't.
7. A misinterpretation of "Thou shalt not spare the rod" (namely, "rod" in this case referring to a Shepherd's crook that is used to pull sheep onto a corrective course or save them from danger - you're not supposed to hit sheep with them, though I imagine shepherds did, in fact, do so.)
8. Instilling the literal fear of God into one's children, because Love of God is to Fear him.  If they do not Fear god, then they are going to hell, and that is a bad thing.
9. Anger that is not healthily expressed.
10. Because it deserves a second mention, desire to have control.  Especially in light of 6, where they did not have control, but now they do.

Corporeal punishment is the most psychologically harmful discipline out there - but science that contradicts God is Evil and of Satan.  And so, they carry on harming their children for life because they think they're doing the right thing for them.

Abusers often believe they are doing what's right for the people they're abusing.  "She needs to be with me, she needs to be put in her place, she needs me to run her life for her, because she can't do it herself.  She needs me.  And what I'm doing is good for her."
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: gyeonghwa on May 02, 2012, 12:45:33 pm
Of course, there are other people advocating using violence against children who may or may not even be gay: http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2012/05/nc-pastor-crack-limp-wrists-of-girlish-boys-reign-in-your-butch-daughters/
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: OscarApollo on May 02, 2012, 03:50:30 pm
A pastor recently said pretty much exactly the same thing and pulled the usual cop-out non-apology that fundies use when they know they've been caught out:

http://pastorseansblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/important-clarification-to-sundays.htm

"No, no, I LOVE gay kids, I'm just 'tolerantly intolerant' of their god forsaken lifestyle."

Nice try jackass.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Saturn500 on May 02, 2012, 05:10:52 pm
A pastor recently said pretty much exactly the same thing and pulled the usual cop-out non-apology that fundies use when they know they've been caught out:

http://pastorseansblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/important-clarification-to-sundays.htm

"No, no, I LOVE gay kids, I'm just 'tolerantly intolerant' of their god forsaken lifestyle."

Nice try jackass.

I think "love the sinner, hate the sin" is a common thing among Christians. Then again, we're talking about fundamentalist Christians.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Eniliad on May 02, 2012, 05:13:48 pm
Personally speaking, I find it offensive when pastors say that. In fact, I dislike it that they consider my life sinful, but that aside, the "hate the sin" part of that means that even if they like me, they hate a rather large part of my personality. While my sexuality doesn't dominate who I am, it's a sizable portion, and in fact helps define who I am. So in essence, when you say "hate the sin, love the sinner", I hear "I hate your personality and I'd like you more if you were different".
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 02, 2012, 08:41:48 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gjm7W-hDLc
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: ironbite on May 03, 2012, 03:07:18 pm
Oh it gets better.  Now the idiot is comparing himself to Jesus (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/pastor-sean-harris-beat-gay-children-sermon_n_1474510.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003)

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The North Carolina pastor whose violent anti-gay rant blew up across the blogosphere, said in an interview that his message to parents in a sermon -- to "punch" a boy who is effeminate and "crack that wrist" if he is limp-wristed -- were taken out of the "context of a ministry," and that he meant them "figuratively," claiming that Jesus, too, in the Bible, "conjures up violent images."

Pastor Sean Harris of the Barean Baptist Church in Fayetteville, N.C. retracted the statements of violence but continued to defend his comments about the "importance of gender distinctions that God created," as well his condemnation of homosexuality, citing the Bible. But he was not able to explain other passages in the Bible, such as those condoning slavery, saying he didn't realize the interview would "slant and redirect the conversation."

"I had no idea that the video would be chopped and posted in the blogosphere in a such a manner in which the entirety isn’t understood," Harris said in an interview on my radio program on SiriusXM OutQ yesterday. "Those were not the best choice of words. If I had to do it over again again I would not choose those words. I was using hyperbole in an effort to communicate the importance of the gender distinctions that God created. I would offer an apology to anyone I have offended. I don’t make an apology for those gender distinctions that are the word of God."

Ironbite-I hate people who do that I really do.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Mechtaur on May 03, 2012, 05:50:38 pm
Oh it gets better.  Now the idiot is comparing himself to Jesus (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/pastor-sean-harris-beat-gay-children-sermon_n_1474510.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003)

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The North Carolina pastor whose violent anti-gay rant blew up across the blogosphere, said in an interview that his message to parents in a sermon -- to "punch" a boy who is effeminate and "crack that wrist" if he is limp-wristed -- were taken out of the "context of a ministry," and that he meant them "figuratively," claiming that Jesus, too, in the Bible, "conjures up violent images."

Pastor Sean Harris of the Barean Baptist Church in Fayetteville, N.C. retracted the statements of violence but continued to defend his comments about the "importance of gender distinctions that God created," as well his condemnation of homosexuality, citing the Bible. But he was not able to explain other passages in the Bible, such as those condoning slavery, saying he didn't realize the interview would "slant and redirect the conversation."

"I had no idea that the video would be chopped and posted in the blogosphere in a such a manner in which the entirety isn’t understood," Harris said in an interview on my radio program on SiriusXM OutQ yesterday. "Those were not the best choice of words. If I had to do it over again again I would not choose those words. I was using hyperbole in an effort to communicate the importance of the gender distinctions that God created. I would offer an apology to anyone I have offended. I don’t make an apology for those gender distinctions that are the word of God."

Ironbite-I hate people who do that I really do.

Where in the hell did Yahweh ever say what boys and girls are supposed to like?
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: rageaholic on May 04, 2012, 08:40:41 am
Now this guy is just psycho. 

It enrages me that he's on the cross acting like some kind of martyr for speaking "the truth".  No, asshole, you're being hated because what you're encouraging is fucking child abuse, hardly a noble cause. 

I'm with cenk, I think this guy is a closet case.  Sadly, if it weren't for bigotted beliefs like this, he'd be more comfortable with who he is and wouldn't be saying such dangerous things. 
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 04, 2012, 06:07:29 pm
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"importance of gender distinctions that God created,"

Would this be the same god whose "son" wore a robe and is always pictured with long hair?
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Meshakhad on May 04, 2012, 07:04:02 pm
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"importance of gender distinctions that God created,"

Would this be the same god whose "son" wore a robe and is always pictured with long hair?

And hung out with a bunch of guys and a whore?
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 04, 2012, 07:14:39 pm
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"importance of gender distinctions that God created,"

Would this be the same god whose "son" wore a robe and is always pictured with long hair?

And hung out with a bunch of guys and a whore?

Don't forget his mom was there too some times.
Title: Re: Beat the Gay out.
Post by: Fpqxz on May 05, 2012, 03:08:51 am

Would this be the same god whose "son" wore a robe and is always pictured with long hair?

And hung out with a bunch of guys and a whore?

Don't forget his mom was there too some times.

This describes half the male population of New Jersey.  Hell, this means there are a few Jesii right here in my home town!  ;D