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Title: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Her3tiK on April 17, 2012, 06:44:51 pm
Wanna know what the best part is? She's six years old (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57415156-504083/six-year-old-girl-handcuffed-and-arrested-for-throwing-tantrum-at-georgia-elementary-school/), and the cops handcuffed her before throwing her in the back of the cruiser.
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"Our policy is that any detainee transported to our station in a patrol vehicle is to be handcuffed in the back. There is no age discrimination on that rule," said Milledgeville Chief of Police Dray Swicord.

Police took the young girl to the police station where she was charged with simple assault and damage to property. As she is only 6-years-old, she will not have to go to court.

The girl was also suspended until August.
I, for one, am glad to know that this dangerous, psychotic individual was dealt with so quickly. We cannot allow such miscreants to behave however they please. It would be anarchy!


That was sarcasm.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: kefkaownsall on April 17, 2012, 07:08:00 pm
Wanna know what the best part is? She's six years old (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57415156-504083/six-year-old-girl-handcuffed-and-arrested-for-throwing-tantrum-at-georgia-elementary-school/), and the cops handcuffed her before throwing her in the back of the cruiser.
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"Our policy is that any detainee transported to our station in a patrol vehicle is to be handcuffed in the back. There is no age discrimination on that rule," said Milledgeville Chief of Police Dray Swicord.

Police took the young girl to the police station where she was charged with simple assault and damage to property. As she is only 6-years-old, she will not have to go to court.

The girl was also suspended until August.
I, for one, am glad to know that this dangerous, psychotic individual was dealt with so quickly. We cannot allow such miscreants to behave however they please. It would be anarchy!


That was sarcasm.
No age discrimination uh arent people under 7 immune from prosecution in Georgia. 
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Dantes Virgil on April 17, 2012, 07:17:42 pm
Wanna know what the best part is? She's six years old (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57415156-504083/six-year-old-girl-handcuffed-and-arrested-for-throwing-tantrum-at-georgia-elementary-school/), and the cops handcuffed her before throwing her in the back of the cruiser.
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"Our policy is that any detainee transported to our station in a patrol vehicle is to be handcuffed in the back. There is no age discrimination on that rule," said Milledgeville Chief of Police Dray Swicord.

Police took the young girl to the police station where she was charged with simple assault and damage to property. As she is only 6-years-old, she will not have to go to court.

The girl was also suspended until August.
I, for one, am glad to know that this dangerous, psychotic individual was dealt with so quickly. We cannot allow such miscreants to behave however they please. It would be anarchy!


That was sarcasm.
No age discrimination uh arent people under 7 immune from prosecution in Georgia.  Also CBS please tell us what was the tantrum since I have no idea how much of an overreaction it was

The article says she knocked over furniture and threw it as well as ripped things from the walls and injured the principle.  That's a pretty extreme reaction.  Are you asking what it was about?

Also, I understand how handcuffing a kid seems extreme -- but what is the reasonable alternative?  If he has to get her out of the school building and she's resisting, what are the other choices?  I don't know if there is enough information to determine whether alternatives were available or not.  My buddy works in special education classrooms with students with behavioral disorders, primarily.  Some days there will be three or four of them trying to restrain a kid.  The stories she tells me are crazy.  I can easily imagine some of her kids having to be taken from school in handcuffs.  (Of course, she doesn't work with six year olds, either.)
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: kefkaownsall on April 17, 2012, 07:20:20 pm
Wanna know what the best part is? She's six years old (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57415156-504083/six-year-old-girl-handcuffed-and-arrested-for-throwing-tantrum-at-georgia-elementary-school/), and the cops handcuffed her before throwing her in the back of the cruiser.
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"Our policy is that any detainee transported to our station in a patrol vehicle is to be handcuffed in the back. There is no age discrimination on that rule," said Milledgeville Chief of Police Dray Swicord.

Police took the young girl to the police station where she was charged with simple assault and damage to property. As she is only 6-years-old, she will not have to go to court.

The girl was also suspended until August.
I, for one, am glad to know that this dangerous, psychotic individual was dealt with so quickly. We cannot allow such miscreants to behave however they please. It would be anarchy!


That was sarcasm.
No age discrimination uh arent people under 7 immune from prosecution in Georgia.  Also CBS please tell us what was the tantrum since I have no idea how much of an overreaction it was

The article says she knocked over furniture and threw it as well as ripped things from the walls and injured the principle.  That's a pretty extreme reaction.  Are you asking what it was about?

Also, I understand how handcuffing a kid seems extreme -- but what is the reasonable alternative?  If he has to get her out of the school building and she's resisting, what are the other choices?  I don't know if there is enough information to determine whether alternatives were available or not.  My buddy works in special education classrooms with students with behavioral disorders, primarily.  Some days there will be three or four of them trying to restrain a kid.  The stories she tells me are crazy.  I can easily imagine some of her kids having to be taken from school in handcuffs.  (Of course, she doesn't work with six year olds, either.)
oops I'll edit.  I m not sure a suspension that long is a good idea and really why the car couldnt they just take her to a room in the school while cuffed
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Her3tiK on April 17, 2012, 07:22:55 pm
Wanna know what the best part is? She's six years old (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57415156-504083/six-year-old-girl-handcuffed-and-arrested-for-throwing-tantrum-at-georgia-elementary-school/), and the cops handcuffed her before throwing her in the back of the cruiser.
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"Our policy is that any detainee transported to our station in a patrol vehicle is to be handcuffed in the back. There is no age discrimination on that rule," said Milledgeville Chief of Police Dray Swicord.

Police took the young girl to the police station where she was charged with simple assault and damage to property. As she is only 6-years-old, she will not have to go to court.

The girl was also suspended until August.
I, for one, am glad to know that this dangerous, psychotic individual was dealt with so quickly. We cannot allow such miscreants to behave however they please. It would be anarchy!


That was sarcasm.
No age discrimination uh arent people under 7 immune from prosecution in Georgia.  Also CBS please tell us what was the tantrum since I have no idea how much of an overreaction it was

The article says she knocked over furniture and threw it as well as ripped things from the walls and injured the principle.  That's a pretty extreme reaction.  Are you asking what it was about?

Also, I understand how handcuffing a kid seems extreme -- but what is the reasonable alternative?  If he has to get her out of the school building and she's resisting, what are the other choices?  I don't know if there is enough information to determine whether alternatives were available or not.  My buddy works in special education classrooms with students with behavioral disorders, primarily.  Some days there will be three or four of them trying to restrain a kid.  The stories she tells me are crazy.  I can easily imagine some of her kids having to be taken from school in handcuffs.  (Of course, she doesn't work with six year olds, either.)
oops I'll edit.  I m not sure a suspension that long is a good idea and really why the car couldnt they just take her to a room in the school while cuffed
Of course not. This girl is clearly a menace to society, never mind her peers. What kind of madman would keep her so near the scene of her outburst? We can only guess at what violent thoughts call her mind home, and we would be doing a huge disservice to the community by letting her off so easy.*

*Someone has to justify the case in this way, right?
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 17, 2012, 08:45:51 pm
Um...

She threw furniture around and supposedly injured the principal.

How were they supposed to get the situation under control?
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: ironbite on April 17, 2012, 09:16:12 pm
Yeah I'm trying to figure out why you're objecting to this.

Ironbite-cause she's 6?
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 17, 2012, 09:19:45 pm
How the hell did a six year old manage to through around furniture? Is she Shizuo or something?

Edit: Did she throw her desk and chair, or what?
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 17, 2012, 09:23:31 pm
How the hell did a six year old manage to through around furniture? Is she Shizuo or something?

I honestly don't know.

I don't want to say the police are wrong, but I don't want to say they're right, either.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 17, 2012, 09:25:28 pm
Maybe she got angry about something and flipped her desk over or something?
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 17, 2012, 09:26:16 pm
Table flip?

But then how did she injure the principal?
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Damen on April 17, 2012, 09:35:34 pm
What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: kefkaownsall on April 17, 2012, 09:41:48 pm
What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.
At worst just cuff her if she's really a threat and put her in a room with an adult at best she can scream at the adult
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 17, 2012, 09:43:10 pm
I was gonna post this story, but I guess you beat me to it.

 I've seen kids freak the hell out and the can do more than you think. School desks aren't particularly heavy, and you don't need to be able to lift a heavy bookshelf to tip it over on someone(think of people who tip vending machines).

That said, it sound like it's extreme, but at the same time I'm not sure what else one would do. It sounds like there were a few people there trying to calm her down and it wasn't working.

 I remember one time in 7th grade when a mentally retarded girl who was in my "do homework or something" class freaked out(not the first time she did by any means). She ran up and down the halls screaming and at one point shouting, "STOP CHASING ME! I'LL JUMP OUT THE WINDOW(we were on the 2nd story)! DON'T CALL THE COPS!" She also threw chairs around the classroom, flipped a table and ran down the hall banging on the walls. The teacher, a couple of other kids in the class, and me tried to calm her down and eventually succeeded.  Later that day when I was talking to a friend who had a class down the hall when this happened when he asked me if I knew what on earth that noise was that morning. I told him, "oh it's just Marcee having a freak out again". Did I mention this girl had a beard? (To be clear I'm not trying to make fun of retarded kids or anything.)
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 17, 2012, 09:48:35 pm
What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.

I was gonna post this story, but I guess you beat me to it.

 I've seen kids freak the hell out and the can do more than you think. School desks aren't particularly heavy, and you don't need to be able to lift a heavy bookshelf to tip it over on someone(think of people who tip vending machines).

That said, it sound like it's extreme, but at the same time I'm not sure what else one would do. It sounds like there were a few people there trying to calm her down and it wasn't working.

Like I said, until more facts come out, I'm not going to judge things one way or the other.

However, it sounds like they COULDN'T get her into the time-out closet.

Have you ever tried to deal with a tantruming, frenzied child that can't even be picked up without either you getting a broken nose or her getting crushed ribs?  Yeah.  I may not have, but I can guess that it's not as easy as "putting her in a time out closet"
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: ironbite on April 17, 2012, 09:50:53 pm
ALSO!  Time out closet?  Seriously?  A child who's throwing stuff around and you're going to confine her to a small space where can do more damage to herself?

Ironbite-that's just stupid.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 17, 2012, 09:51:31 pm
ALSO!  Time out closet?  Seriously?  A child who's throwing stuff around and you're going to confine her to a small space where can do more damage to herself?

Ironbite-that's just stupid.

Ironbite's speaking sense.

For once.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: kefkaownsall on April 17, 2012, 09:51:55 pm
What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.

I was gonna post this story, but I guess you beat me to it.

 I've seen kids freak the hell out and the can do more than you think. School desks aren't particularly heavy, and you don't need to be able to lift a heavy bookshelf to tip it over on someone(think of people who tip vending machines).

That said, it sound like it's extreme, but at the same time I'm not sure what else one would do. It sounds like there were a few people there trying to calm her down and it wasn't working.

Like I said, until more facts come out, I'm not going to judge things one way or the other.

However, it sounds like they COULDN'T get her into the time-out closet.

Have you ever tried to deal with a tantruming child that can't even be picked up without either you getting a broken nose or her getting crushed ribs?  Yeah.  I may not have, but I can guess that it's not as easy as "putting her in a time out closet"
Then cuff her then put her in a time out room (just lead her to the llibrary or someplace)
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Dantes Virgil on April 17, 2012, 10:07:54 pm
What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.
At worst just cuff her if she's really a threat and put her in a room with an adult at best she can scream at the adult

She already bested that by injuring the principal.  Just being in cuffs alone is sometimes not enough if someone is bent on some sort of destruction.  :(

Not to mention, the school also has a duty to try and keep her from hurting herself.  If she gets put in a closet (which honestly sounds um...no better than being in a cell??) and starts, say, banging her head and throwing her body around, what do they do then?  The article makes it sound like she was on a real tear.  As usual, though, I'm sure there is more to the story than the initial report.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 17, 2012, 10:49:08 pm
What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.

I was gonna post this story, but I guess you beat me to it.

 I've seen kids freak the hell out and the can do more than you think. School desks aren't particularly heavy, and you don't need to be able to lift a heavy bookshelf to tip it over on someone(think of people who tip vending machines).

That said, it sound like it's extreme, but at the same time I'm not sure what else one would do. It sounds like there were a few people there trying to calm her down and it wasn't working.

Like I said, until more facts come out, I'm not going to judge things one way or the other.

However, it sounds like they COULDN'T get her into the time-out closet.

Have you ever tried to deal with a tantruming child that can't even be picked up without either you getting a broken nose or her getting crushed ribs?  Yeah.  I may not have, but I can guess that it's not as easy as "putting her in a time out closet"
Then cuff her then put her in a time out room (just lead her to the llibrary or someplace)

The library!? Do you realize the damage she would do in there? And Twilight just reorganized too!

What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.
At worst just cuff her if she's really a threat and put her in a room with an adult at best she can scream at the adult

She already bested that by injuring the principal.  Just being in cuffs alone is sometimes not enough if someone is bent on some sort of destruction.  :(

Not to mention, the school also has a duty to try and keep her from hurting herself.  If she gets put in a closet (which honestly sounds um...no better than being in a cell??) and starts, say, banging her head and throwing her body around, what do they do then?  The article makes it sound like she was on a real tear.  As usual, though, I'm sure there is more to the story than the initial report.

Generally speaking, intentionally injuring the principal in this day and age will get you put in jail for a few days, at the least. If you have a super paranoid school they'ed have you charged as a terrorist or something insane. I've seen first graders expelled for having finger nail cutters, on the grounds that they're a dangerous weapon(what about a sharpened pencil?).

Barely on topic, but I think interesting none the less:   Meanwhile half the kids a my school carry pocket knives and no one cares, granted they carry them for usual utility reasons that you find when living in the country, so it isn't a big deal to me. When we had a lockdown drill me and others joked about how if someone came in with a gun they were beyond fucked ;D. Since were in the country it's not uncommon for someone to have there hunting rifle or shotgun in their truck, so we've got any potential zombie problem handled as well.

"Ok guys, if were ever attacked by zombies, meet at Brent's truck. He keeps a few shotguns in there."    -Me, when we had a do-nothing-day in Biology II and the teacher, a couple other kid and me had a discussion on zombies, including our plans in case of zombie attack, but that's for another thread and time.(I might type it up tomorrow, if you want to hear it.)
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Sylvana on April 18, 2012, 03:15:32 am
I think the police cuffing her is well within their rights, and probably the best option given the circumstances. Throwing her in the back of the police cruiser in my perspective is a bad idea. I think that is a locality issue on my side as our police vehicles don't have any kind of padding on the walls and such and an out of control person in the back could do real harm to themselves.

My main question is if the police arrived while the tantrum was in full swing, then their actions were perfectly justified. If it was after the fact, then it is somewhat heavy handed. I will give them the benefit of the doubt though. Personally, I don't know what the best course of action would be. People who throw out of control tantrums are a danger to themselves and others. Even if you manage to restrain them with handcuffs, you may need to go further and completely immobilize them. In more clinical circumstances such as psychiatric hospitals a heavy dose of sedative is administered to calm the person down and protect everyone involved. Of course it is unrealistic to expect something like that from a school or the police. However, if the tantrum was still in full swing in the back of the police cruiser I would have driven the child to a hospital instead of a police station.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: shykid on April 18, 2012, 03:37:11 am
Not going to comment on whether the handcuffs and whatnot were appropriate, but I will be seriously pissed if I find out she does not receive any psychological and psychiatric evaluation after this. A kid throwing a temper tantrum is not a mental problem, but this was well past a "tantrum" and a sign of something else going on.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: QueenofHearts on April 18, 2012, 03:42:03 am
Not going to comment on whether the handcuffs and whatnot were appropriate, but I will be seriously pissed if I find out she does not receive any psychological and psychiatric evaluation after this. A kid throwing a temper tantrum is not a mental problem, but this was well past a "tantrum" and a sign of something else going on.

This so much.

Throughout my entire time in school, there has only been one student that would throw tantrums like this (a girl in 5th grade several times) and she had some psychological problems. When she would throw them, about 4 school administrators would come and carry her (one for each limb, and non maliciously of course) to the office and waited until her parents showed up. I think that would be an appropriate solution (and if the school was worried about lawsuits they could have just had the officer escort her to the office). I think full out arrest is just a tad overkill for a bratty (or unstable) 6 year old.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 18, 2012, 05:54:22 am
Not going to comment on whether the handcuffs and whatnot were appropriate, but I will be seriously pissed if I find out she does not receive any psychological and psychiatric evaluation after this. A kid throwing a temper tantrum is not a mental problem, but this was well past a "tantrum" and a sign of something else going on.

I don't have a gif for 'I agree with my brother' so I'll just say it: I agree with my brother.

Details are missing. I need to know more.

Also... what the fuck is a time-out closet?
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Damen on April 18, 2012, 06:06:47 am
"Time Out Closet" is a (poor) metaphor I jerked out of my ass to show that there are other options before a trip to the police station is required. Yes, I agree that some sort of restraints were likely required, so if handcuffs were necessary they could have just cuffed her to a bench or some other this-fucker-ain't-budging object until her parents can come pick her up.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 18, 2012, 02:55:08 pm
^ and when she dislocated her arm thrashing about?
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Damen on April 18, 2012, 03:08:18 pm
^ and when she dislocated her arm thrashing about?

She's got as much chance of that happening as she does in the back of a cop car.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Distind on April 18, 2012, 03:20:55 pm
Um...

She threw furniture around and supposedly injured the principal.

How were they supposed to get the situation under control?

She's six, you lift her clear from the floor at arms length and let her realize she's not godzilla.

If it worked on even my bitey ass little cousins it ought to work just about anywhere. Just need to know how to squirm away from the teeth without dropping the little bastards.

Edit:
Also I'd love to know just how she managed to injure a full grown person short of having a weapon at hand.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 18, 2012, 03:31:51 pm
Um...

She threw furniture around and supposedly injured the principal.

How were they supposed to get the situation under control?

She's six, you lift her clear from the floor at arms length and let her realize she's not godzilla.

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Distind on April 18, 2012, 03:36:35 pm
Good luck with that.
That bit you didn't quote, involving it working with my cousins, the fratricidal little things they were, quite true, and I did it before I was full grown as I was stuck watching the little ingrates from the time I was eight till I told their parents to stuff themselves when I was a teen.

They squirmed, bit, occasionally swore, and eventually realized the only way they got to do a damn thing again was stopping being a complete ingrate, and simply go back to being little bastards.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 18, 2012, 04:23:35 pm
^

Look, if she's tossing furniture around and managed to injure the principal, perhaps by one of said airborne furniture things, she's gone beyond tantrum and has gone into a frenzy.

Your tantruming bitey cousins are honestly not in the same league.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Dantes Virgil on April 18, 2012, 05:23:28 pm
There don't seem to be many good solutions to handling these sorts of situations.  It's totally dependent on the context.  My friend can wrestle down teenage boys and hang onto them and restrain them.  But there are all sorts of checklists and documentation that she and her coworkers have to do in case a parent (or the kids, who sometimes try to get the adults in trouble) bitches about having their out of control kid constrained.  I understand why these safeguards are in place, both for the kids and the adults involved, but seeing how many hoops they all have to jump through to make sure that a kid doesn't damage them, other students, the kid's self -- it's enough to make your head spin and make you a cynic.  It really depends on what sort of rules this school has to abide by in terms of responding to children's behaviors.  That's one of the other things we don't know; depending on the level of violation, they may be required to bring the police into the matter and have the kid removed from school.  They may not legally be allowed to sit there with the child until a parent shows up.

I'm also willing to bet that no matter how the situation was handled, there would be an outrage somewhere over it.  If the cop had cuffed her to a bench, it would've been "OMG cops cuffed this little six year old to a bench!!  Brutality!  They should've just put her in the car."  It really just seems to be a lose-lose situation many times.  I noticed the parent in the article wasn't saying a word over her kid throwing things around and hurting someone else -- just expressing anger that her daughter might be unsettled by having visited jail.  Well...I think as a parent I'd be a bit more concerned about why this happened in the first place.  And I agree with others that figuring out the reason for this fit is critical.  These things don't just happen in a vacuum. 
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: speshuled67 on April 18, 2012, 06:02:22 pm
teachers have changed, im not that old, (26) but i remember being in kindergarten and the principal being allowed to throw down the occasional yard-stick to the behind, wasn't a federal case.

i remember i was a counselor at a camp for troubled kids, and one kid didn't bring his medication for the week. he was constantly on the verge of losing it. one day he was running his mouth and i handed him the broom to clean the bathroom, he lost it and attacked me with the broom. i was 17 and he was 8, and im not a big guy. i got hit by the broom a bunch leaving some nasty knots on my head and welts on my arms, but i managed to get him in a head lock and pin him to the ground until he decided to calm down, which was like 7 or 8 minutes in full view of other counselors.

needless to say, i wish somebody had had a pair of handcuffs.

every situation is different, i would think that school security [do they still have security guards at school? they actively broke up fights in my middle school] would be enough to subdue and reasonably restrain a kid who is freaking out like that, i dont think you need actual outside police to help out.
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: DasFuchs on April 18, 2012, 07:01:50 pm
I was gonna post this story, but I guess you beat me to it.

 I've seen kids freak the hell out and the can do more than you think. School desks aren't particularly heavy, and you don't need to be able to lift a heavy bookshelf to tip it over on someone(think of people who tip vending machines).

That said, it sound like it's extreme, but at the same time I'm not sure what else one would do. It sounds like there were a few people there trying to calm her down and it wasn't working.

 I remember one time in 7th grade when a mentally retarded girl who was in my "do homework or something" class freaked out(not the first time she did by any means). She ran up and down the halls screaming and at one point shouting, "STOP CHASING ME! I'LL JUMP OUT THE WINDOW(we were on the 2nd story)! DON'T CALL THE COPS!" She also threw chairs around the classroom, flipped a table and ran down the hall banging on the walls. The teacher, a couple of other kids in the class, and me tried to calm her down and eventually succeeded.  Later that day when I was talking to a friend who had a class down the hall when this happened when he asked me if I knew what on earth that noise was that morning. I told him, "oh it's just Marcee having a freak out again". Did I mention this girl had a beard? (To be clear I'm not trying to make fun of retarded kids or anything.)


I had one come through the drive thru at mickey d's years ago with his grandmother. Looked like he was about 10. He wanted a lemonade and we didn't sell that, he flipped the fuck out and started beating his grandmother in the head till she could get out of the car. That shut everything down for two hours while the parents were called, the police were called, paramedics were called and they finally held the kid down and sedated him.

Honestly most police departments have rules about cuffs in their cars because it's supposed to be for safety, both for the occupant who is somewhat restrained from going apeshit and hurting themselves, and the cops from someone beating on the glass or trying to reach through the openings and such.

But I get it, it's another incident of goosestepping jackbooted thugs again, so carry on
Title: Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 18, 2012, 09:55:36 pm
I've been bit and hit by kids before. They are not as weak as you think they are when something triggers their fight or flight kinda bullshit.  One kid I know managed to throw his desk out the damn window, shattering it, while throwing someone else through that now broken window. We were only pre-teens at the time. Hardly what you'd call strong monsters. Also, teachers aren't exactly trained to pull martial arts to subdue their students.

There is only so much you can do in such a setting. There's only so much you can do when a child is a danger to themselves and others. Also, handcuffing someone to a bench? Yeah, someone's seen too many movies. You know the damage one can do to themselves if they're attached to a bench? With the kid the way she was acting? Besides that good luck actually getting her strapped down onto the bench without even more damage getting caused to you or the kid.

The kid needs mental help.

I don't know this particular school regardless of it being in my state. School districts have different ways of handling things. Back up in Ohio, the police were brought in for many things like assault and the like on school grounds. Hell, I saw one kid go out in cuffs one time. So...