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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1320 on: July 09, 2017, 05:55:15 pm »
....wrong topic?

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1322 on: July 10, 2017, 03:31:30 pm »
You didn't specify.  We have moved on from that.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1323 on: July 11, 2017, 12:09:13 am »
The New York Times lights a fuse...

Pipe-bomb


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President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.

The meeting was also attended by his campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kushner only recently disclosed the meeting, though not its content, in confidential government documents described to The New York Times.

Now, to be fair, the Trump Team's account of the meeting is slightly different. Well, it's actually NOT different, they admit to most of it, but defend themselves by adding:

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After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.

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It became clear to me that [repealing the Magnitsky Act] was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting.

Nevertheless, this is big for three reasons:

1. This was not reported by anyone on applications for security clearance until recently (when Kushner updated his application a couple weeks ago).
2. This is the first time that we have a reported, detailed meeting between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin for purposes of collusion to influence the election.
3. While what was discussed at the meeting is in dispute, it is not in dispute that the meeting arose because the Trump Campaign wanted to obtain damaging information on Secretary Clinton (illegally hacked by the Russian Military apparatus) from a Kremlin agent. At the very least, high-ranking members of the Trump campaign were open to collusion with a foreign power to help elect Casino Mussolini.

ETA- Oh, and in other news, Trump discussed forming a cyber-security task force with Putin for purposes of ensuring our elections are safe. I don't know whether I should be flippant and add that it is akin to a fox guarding a hen-house or serious and point out Russia has a history of using apps, games, and other innocuous coding to trojan-horse malware and spyware into computers of unsuspecting users.

The New York Times lights a fuse...

Pipe-bomb

Holy fucking donkey balls!

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WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

So, Not-Eric walked into the meeting with the Russian Agent with knowledge that the source of the information was the Russian government, and that the Russian government wanted to give him this information to help his daddy become president. To be fair, before the story broke, Not-Eric did the smart thing and lawyered up:

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Alan Futerfas, the lawyer for the younger Mr. Trump, said his client had done nothing wrong but pledged to work with investigators if contacted.

And it gets a little bit more interesting. Mr. Goldstone set up the meeting on behalf of a client. His client just so happens to be a wannabe, big-spender pop-star from Russia named Emin Agalarov. Sorry, wrong video: easy mistake, Russia is in a deep recession, it could happen to anyone. Thanks Obama. Here's a video of Emin. If you made it past 1:14, you're stronger than I am.

Now, this pop-singer is the son of billionaire Russian real-estate developer, Aras Agalarov. Aras Agalarov is nicknamed the Donald Trump of Russia because he dabbles in real-estate, puts his name on things, ? ? ?, and gets money. The cozy connections to Putin don't hurt either. Turns out, having the state murder your business competition is a great way to corner the market.

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Mr. Goldstone represents the Russian pop star Emin Agalarov, whose father was President Trump’s business partner in bringing the Miss Universe pageant to Moscow in 2013. In an interview Monday, Mr. Goldstone said he was asked by Mr. Agalarov to set up the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya.

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In the interview, he said it was his understanding that Ms. Veselnitskaya was simply a “private citizen” for whom Mr. Agalarov wanted to do a favor. He also said he did not know whether Mr. Agalarov’s father, Aras Agalarov, a Moscow real estate tycoon known to be close to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, was involved.

Anyways, the funny thing about this family is that Aras Agalarov co-sponsered the 2013 Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow with Donny Boy. One of the little perks of doing so was that Miss Universe would appear in his talentless son's music video, seen here. They worked out the details for the music video at the Moscow Ritz Carlton in late 2013. The Moscow Ritz Carlton in late 2013 might sound familiar, because that is when and where Putin supposedly got the pee-pee tape on Donny.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1324 on: July 11, 2017, 12:35:50 am »
The longer this goes on the more it seems that no evidence is enough for the GOP to turn on Trump. They want to take down Obamacare and they will tolerate treason and foreign powers meddling with US elections as long as it benefits them.

Maybe if they lose the Obamacare vote (if they ever get to it) then they will try to save face and take credit for taking down Trump.

...Which their voters will believe and as soon as it is over no one in USA is going to admit that they ever supported Trump.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1325 on: July 11, 2017, 12:41:52 am »
They don't need Trump to take down the ACA--Pence will sign it fine. Plus, it would be better for them to take down Trump now, rather than after the midterms, because any new VP must be confirmed by both the House and the Senate (simple majority threshold in the Senate) and they could get someone crazier in there now than if the Dems happen to retake part of Congress in 2018. (And if the Dems stonewall a new VP completely, that would leave the Speaker of the House as next in line, and I doubt the GOP would want Pelosi to be next in line, never mind whomever might replace her.)

I think even the GOP spin machine would find it hard to pin ACA repeal (and tax "reform") entirely on Trump.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1326 on: July 11, 2017, 01:26:00 am »
They don't need Trump to take down the ACA--Pence will sign it fine. Plus, it would be better for them to take down Trump now, rather than after the midterms, because any new VP must be confirmed by both the House and the Senate (simple majority threshold in the Senate) and they could get someone crazier in there now than if the Dems happen to retake part of Congress in 2018. (And if the Dems stonewall a new VP completely, that would leave the Speaker of the House as next in line, and I doubt the GOP would want Pelosi to be next in line, never mind whomever might replace her.)

I think even the GOP spin machine would find it hard to pin ACA repeal (and tax "reform") entirely on Trump.

This all assumes Pence isn't complicit to any collusion. He said numerous times that there was no contact between the campaign and Russia, including multiple times about disgraced Lieutenant General Michael Flynn. Either Pence (1) lied about the involvement with intent to mislead or (2) spoke repeatedly on shit he knew nothing about nor cared to fact-check. As the evidence piles up like bricks in a wall, number 2 grows harder to believe.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1327 on: July 11, 2017, 01:28:14 am »
They don't need Trump to take down the ACA--Pence will sign it fine. Plus, it would be better for them to take down Trump now, rather than after the midterms, because any new VP must be confirmed by both the House and the Senate (simple majority threshold in the Senate) and they could get someone crazier in there now than if the Dems happen to retake part of Congress in 2018. (And if the Dems stonewall a new VP completely, that would leave the Speaker of the House as next in line, and I doubt the GOP would want Pelosi to be next in line, never mind whomever might replace her.)

I think even the GOP spin machine would find it hard to pin ACA repeal (and tax "reform") entirely on Trump.

This all assumes Pence isn't complicit to any collusion. He said numerous times that there was no contact between the campaign and Russia, including multiple times about disgraced Lieutenant General Michael Flynn. Either Pence (1) lied about the involvement with intent to mislead or (2) spoke repeatedly on shit he knew nothing about nor cared to fact-check. As the evidence piles up like bricks in a wall, number 2 grows harder to believe.

The GOP will gladly throw Trump under a bus since their establishment resents him for hijacking their party. But they like Pence. It doesn't matter how much evidence mounts that he was complicit; they're not going to get rid of him.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1328 on: July 11, 2017, 06:33:38 am »
They don't need Trump to take down the ACA--Pence will sign it fine. Plus, it would be better for them to take down Trump now, rather than after the midterms, because any new VP must be confirmed by both the House and the Senate (simple majority threshold in the Senate) and they could get someone crazier in there now than if the Dems happen to retake part of Congress in 2018. (And if the Dems stonewall a new VP completely, that would leave the Speaker of the House as next in line, and I doubt the GOP would want Pelosi to be next in line, never mind whomever might replace her.)

I think even the GOP spin machine would find it hard to pin ACA repeal (and tax "reform") entirely on Trump.

This all assumes Pence isn't complicit to any collusion. He said numerous times that there was no contact between the campaign and Russia, including multiple times about disgraced Lieutenant General Michael Flynn. Either Pence (1) lied about the involvement with intent to mislead or (2) spoke repeatedly on shit he knew nothing about nor cared to fact-check. As the evidence piles up like bricks in a wall, number 2 grows harder to believe.

The GOP will gladly throw Trump under a bus since their establishment resents him for hijacking their party. But they like Pence. It doesn't matter how much evidence mounts that he was complicit; they're not going to get rid of him.
It'd be nice for them to be back in old-fashioned bible-thumping hypocrite territory as opposed to barking mad libertine land but Pence doesn't have clean hands with the Russia shenanigans. If the orange asshole goes down he might be able to drag Pence with him.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1329 on: July 11, 2017, 08:14:03 am »
The GOP will gladly throw Trump under a bus since their establishment resents him for hijacking their party. But they like Pence. It doesn't matter how much evidence mounts that he was complicit; they're not going to get rid of him.

The moment GOP calculates hiding / distracting from the skeletons in Pence's closet costs them more politically than throwing him under the bus does he will be gone.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1330 on: July 11, 2017, 03:28:48 pm »
And we get President Paul Ryan who's already concluded that the position doesn't grant him as much power as Speaker.

Ironbite-and he didn't even want that role either.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1331 on: July 11, 2017, 04:28:09 pm »
^ Lets be honest, Paul Ryan probably right now wishes he could just be "your personal trainer who high fives you way too hard".

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1332 on: July 11, 2017, 05:17:17 pm »
And we get President Paul Ryan who's already concluded that the position doesn't grant him as much power as Speaker.

Ironbite-and he didn't even want that role either.

Keep in mind he played cover-up by saying that anything the GOP found linking Trump to the Kremlin should "be kept in the family." That doesn't even consider how unpopular he is. At best, he'd be a one-termed.

ETA- did anyone catch the pipe-bomb that junior dropped on himself?
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1333 on: July 11, 2017, 08:29:51 pm »
It's all anyone on my twitter feed can talk about.  Including one reporter who's so depressed that Jr. basically fucked him out of a huge story.

Ironbite-like he's been chasing this for a year and Jr. just....gave away the smoking gun.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #1334 on: July 11, 2017, 10:01:30 pm »
Well, Donald Trump Junior is now being investigated by Robert Mueller. I said about 6 weeks ago that the odds of Mueller making it to Labor day were 50/50. After today, I'd put those odds around 2%.
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