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Title: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 20, 2012, 02:05:49 am
It's almost here... I can taste it...

I have the CE pre-ordered from Newegg so I'll get it a day or so later than everyone else but unghhh...

Newest vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs7kix6_8Ks
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Meshakhad on February 20, 2012, 02:58:19 am
Got it preordered. My Origin username is Meshakhad, if anyone wants to friend me, so we can play together.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on February 20, 2012, 03:10:21 am
Watched that vid today.  Was pretty much drooling.

I've had it pre-ordered since pretty much the day they announced you could.  Been fooling around with multiplayer in the demo, and am definitely going to have to do a final ME2 run through with my main character to make sure I have everything the way I want it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 20, 2012, 03:57:22 am
Got it preordered. My Origin username is Meshakhad, if anyone wants to friend me, so we can play together.

I can't play on my PC so I've got it for 360. :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Servo on February 20, 2012, 04:16:12 am
Argh, so damn excited for this... but at the same time I'm worried that I'm not going to like it.  :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Askold on February 20, 2012, 05:12:44 am
1: New trailer cool.
2: MAKO! Yay!
3: I am going to buy this but I am still not sure will I buy the regular version or CE.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on February 20, 2012, 05:26:06 am
I'm not preording, only because my birthday is a month later so i'm not allowed to buy it.  I'll be doing my best to avoid spoilers this time around, since I don't want to know what happens until I play the game itself.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on February 20, 2012, 05:26:57 am
Goddammit EA, stop it with the fucking pre-order and collector's edition bonuses. The combined total of all of the special bonuses announced so far adds up to 1 plot mission, 1 full squad-mate, 8 weapons, 1 full armor set, and 4 squad outfits. If I'm paying 60 dollars for a game, the least you can do is give me the whole fucking thing. Makes me wish I could run this game on my PC so I could buy the standard edition and torrent all of the extra content.

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I currently have no money, and I still need to play through the first two to build up my character anyway, so I won't be able to play this for some time. Which also means I will have to avoid spoilers until then.

As for the game itself, I'm remaining cautious that they won't fuck it up. I wasn't overly impressed with the demo and some of the news that I've been hearing lately. That trailer looked great, though, so I'm slightly more optimistic than I was before.

Speaking of the trailer, "Watch the extended cut Tuesday"? So basically, I just watched a preview for the full trailer. A trailer for a trailer. What in the hell is the point of that?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 20, 2012, 05:57:08 am
From what I know the extended cut wasn't that much more (only about 10 seconds more). I can't find what was aired.

ME3 is my birthday gift to myself.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on February 20, 2012, 09:05:19 pm
Meshakad, I will look you up on Origin. I do not remember my origin tag but I will check it and post.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kefkaownsall on February 20, 2012, 09:29:34 pm
I'll add you it's kefkapwnsall
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Servo on February 22, 2012, 01:15:43 am
So yeah... extended "Take Earth Back" trailer, anyone?

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/21/mass-effect-3s-take-back-the-earth-trailer-is-finally-seriou/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Juna Starrider on February 22, 2012, 03:56:24 am
Dammit, Bioware knows my weakness... little kids who are implied to have died.   Dammit... I'm in tears.  Ever since FF VI with Cyan's kid, I've always bawled when kids get hurt or killed.


That's also why in Dragon Age: Origins, no matter what evil bastard I might be roleplaying as, I can't bring myself to   


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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 22, 2012, 04:10:41 am
Anyone played the demo? What do you think of the multiplayer?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Servo on February 22, 2012, 04:34:34 am
Anyone played the demo? What do you think of the multiplayer?

Multiplayer is lots of fun. 4 player co-op, defeating waves of Cerberus soldiers.

Probably much more fun if you play with friends rather than complete strangers over Xbox Live/Origin/PSN...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on February 22, 2012, 05:17:14 am
I can't access the multi-player because it requires me to create an Evil Empire EA account. Not that I give even the most microscopic shit about multi-player, anyway. Yay. Yet another game in which I can get called a niggerfag by 12-year-olds. How exciting.

I can't help but think of all the time and resources that were used to implement a multi-player mode. Time and resources that could have gone towards improving the single-player, instead.

Dammit, Bioware knows my weakness... little kids who are implied to have died.   Dammit... I'm in tears.

I thought it was lazy writing. There are millions of people dying all around you and the writers want me to mourn the death of this one kid? At least 5 Alliance officials were crushed by a flying desk just 20 minutes prior and there weren't any reaction shots and poignant music when they died.

It's clear that the writers want the kid's death to have an emotional impact on the audience, but they give us no reason to actually care about him. We know nothing about him at all. They expect me to concern myself with his well-being solely because he's a child, instead of giving him actual characterization in order to cause me to form some sort of emotional connection with him.

It's a textbook example of "forced drama".
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on February 22, 2012, 05:41:30 am
Sounds like fun.  Once I get the game and play through once, I'll play mp with anyone who's on XBox Live.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Askold on February 22, 2012, 06:27:52 am
Dammit, Bioware knows my weakness... little kids who are implied to have died.   Dammit... I'm in tears.

I thought it was lazy writing. There are millions of people dying all around you and the writers want me to mourn the death of this one kid? At least 5 Alliance officials were crushed by a flying desk just 20 minutes prior and there weren't any reaction shots and poignant music when they died.

It's clear that the writers want the kid's death to have an emotional impact on the audience, but they give us no reason to actually care about him. We know nothing about him at all. They expect me to concern myself with his well-being solely because he's a child, instead of giving him actual characterization in order to cause me to form some sort of emotional connection with him.

It's a textbook example of "forced drama".

Or maybe you just do not have no empathy.

They concentrated on this one kid to show us a one of the victims of the attack. Sure they could have done this the Bruckheimer way and shown a montage of people minding their own business (Waving flags of USA if this was  a Bruckheimer trailer) just before the attack. Instead they show us this one kid(Also I thought that the kid is a girl.) playing with a toy. Million is a statistic but by concentrating on this one child we now have a "face" to the tragedy.

Besides how much more characterization can they give in a trailer? We see the kid for few seconds and that's it.

Besides like I said earlier this way the attack and the suffering has a face rather than just showing ruins and craters.

EDIT: montage, not collage.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 22, 2012, 06:45:46 am
In the demo we see a young boy. In the most recent trailer it's a girl. In the demo you are left wondering about the kid the entire demo.

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As for the Alliance peeps crushed by a desk uh... have we forgotten they grounded you in the first place? Have we forgotten they ignored your warnings for the entire first two games?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on February 22, 2012, 07:22:34 am
Dammit, Bioware knows my weakness... little kids who are implied to have died.   Dammit... I'm in tears.

I thought it was lazy writing. There are millions of people dying all around you and the writers want me to mourn the death of this one kid? At least 5 Alliance officials were crushed by a flying desk just 20 minutes prior and there weren't any reaction shots and poignant music when they died.

It's clear that the writers want the kid's death to have an emotional impact on the audience, but they give us no reason to actually care about him. We know nothing about him at all. They expect me to concern myself with his well-being solely because he's a child, instead of giving him actual characterization in order to cause me to form some sort of emotional connection with him.

It's a textbook example of "forced drama".

Or maybe you just do not have no empathy.

They concentrated on this one kid to show us a one of the victims of the attack. Sure they could have done this the Bruckheimer way and shown a collage of people minding their own business (Waving flags of USA if this was  a Bruckheimer trailer) just before the attack. Instead they show us this one kid(Also I thought that the kid is a girl.) playing with a toy. Million is a statistic but by concentrating on this one child we now have a "face" to the tragedy.

Besides how much more characterization can they give in a trailer? We see the kid for few seconds and that's it.

Besides like I said earlier this way the attack and the suffering has a face rather than just showing ruins and craters

Trailer? What? I was talking about the game.

Also, concluding that "I have no empathy" from what I said is a pretty big leap.

In the demo we see a young boy. In the most recent trailer it's a girl. In the demo you are left wondering about the kid the entire demo.

Now I'm confused. I don't think that the kid in the demo and the girl in the trailer are supposed to be the same character.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 22, 2012, 07:29:43 am
I never said they were the same character. However, both are doing the same thing at the beginning of the demo and the trailer-- playing with a toy ship. Probably should've clarified/wrote that better.

And now for info about some DLC:

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"We're happy to confirm that Mass Effect 3: From Ashes DLC will be available at launch for all platforms. For those of you who have purchased the N7 Collector's Edition, you will get this content at no extra charge. We'll have a lot more details for you later this week! Stay Tuned!"

The DLC will be 800 MSP for those who didn't get the N7 edition.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Askold on February 22, 2012, 07:38:31 am
Yeah, I thought you were talking about the trailer. Sorry.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on February 22, 2012, 07:45:24 am
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"We're happy to confirm that Mass Effect 3: From Ashes DLC will be available at launch for all platforms. For those of you who have purchased the N7 Collector's Edition, you will get this content at no extra charge. We'll have a lot more details for you later this week! Stay Tuned!"

The DLC will be 800 MSP for those who didn't get the N7 edition.

800 MSP. So.... 10 dollars. On top of the 60 dollar base game. For content that was developed at the same time as the game itself, but was conveniently excluded so that they can milk their customers wallets and make them pay for the same content twice. Fucking wonderful.

It's times like these when it gets really hard to oppose piracy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 22, 2012, 07:57:35 am
Are you going to bitch about every single part of the game?

The DLC has no bearing whatsoever on the story. You're bitching about this, an extra mission and a character (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/From_Ashes).

The same extra mission and character that people have known about for the past few months, ever since the N7 Collector's Edition was announced.

It's Zaeed Massani all over again. *facepalms*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on February 22, 2012, 08:14:21 am
Are you going to bitch about every single part of the game?

Yes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on February 22, 2012, 09:31:31 am
Are you going to bitch about every single part of the game?

Yes.

Well... You should know that I personally do not appreciate it. I also think many others do not appreciate it.
It is now clear that you dislike the situation (if not the game). Can we move on?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: shadowpanther on February 22, 2012, 10:19:01 am

Dammit, Bioware knows my weakness... little kids who are implied to have died.   Dammit... I'm in tears.

I thought it was lazy writing. There are millions of people dying all around you and the writers want me to mourn the death of this one kid? At least 5 Alliance officials were crushed by a flying desk just 20 minutes prior and there weren't any reaction shots and poignant music when they died.

It's clear that the writers want the kid's death to have an emotional impact on the audience, but they give us no reason to actually care about him. We know nothing about him at all. They expect me to concern myself with his well-being solely because he's a child, instead of giving him actual characterization in order to cause me to form some sort of emotional connection with him.

It's a textbook example of "forced drama".

She got what she deserved for appearing in an EA game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Meshakhad on February 22, 2012, 02:33:32 pm
What I actually remember from that scene most wasn't the kid, but Shepard. Normally, Shepard projects an aura of badassery, and she was in a particularly foul mood that day. But when she saw that kid, she turned... motherly. And in a good way. I love seeing Shepard show a gentle side, and to be rejected was not fun.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on February 22, 2012, 03:07:16 pm
Are you going to bitch about every single part of the game?

Yes.

:stareface:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 22, 2012, 04:03:39 pm
What I actually remember from that scene most wasn't the kid, but Shepard. Normally, Shepard projects an aura of badassery, and she was in a particularly foul mood that day. But when she saw that kid, she turned... motherly. And in a good way. I love seeing Shepard show a gentle side, and to be rejected was not fun.

So both options in the dialogue thing had that reaction? Cause I swear I switched it up in my second playthru and got the same event.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on February 22, 2012, 04:25:10 pm
Yes.
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It is of course sad on one level, but I can definitely see it not working with either choice in that situation.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 22, 2012, 04:27:35 pm
Yes.
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It is of course sad on one level, but I can definitely see it not working with either choice in that situation.

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I meant when you found the kid in the vent.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SimSim on February 22, 2012, 04:57:03 pm
You missed it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 22, 2012, 05:27:55 pm
Three times? Oh well. I think there's more to the kids than 'sympathy points'.

Oh, by the way, unboxing video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v62pM93iS4A
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SimSim on February 22, 2012, 05:58:15 pm
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In the trailer I'm not sure that the kid is being used for sympathy points. You see plenty of other death and destruction. And I liked how the two were tied together. The girl was playing with a fighter, and you hear the voice chatter from a few fighters of the same type. They even get destroyed by a Reaper further tying them together.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 22, 2012, 06:01:49 pm
As they say, we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on February 24, 2012, 03:38:30 am
Anyone played the demo? What do you think of the multiplayer?

Multiplayer is lots of fun. 4 player co-op, defeating waves of Cerberus soldiers.

Probably much more fun if you play with friends rather than complete strangers over Xbox Live/Origin/PSN...

I've actually made like 10 X-Box Live friends playing the multiplayer part of the demo, lol.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on February 24, 2012, 03:27:24 pm
Cannot be unseen - Goatse Effect 3
Image is safe for work btw.
http://imgur.com/P7nxI (http://imgur.com/P7nxI)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Servo on February 24, 2012, 09:50:28 pm
Anyone played the demo? What do you think of the multiplayer?

Multiplayer is lots of fun. 4 player co-op, defeating waves of Cerberus soldiers.

Probably much more fun if you play with friends rather than complete strangers over Xbox Live/Origin/PSN...

I've actually made like 10 X-Box Live friends playing the multiplayer part of the demo, lol.

Then you've been getting better players/partners than I have, lol.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 02, 2012, 10:29:01 am
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m086b2EvYj1r1z0c0o1_500.png)

This fucking pissed me off this morning. Ableism, much?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on March 02, 2012, 10:52:36 am
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m086b2EvYj1r1z0c0o1_500.png)

This fucking pissed me off this morning. Ableism, much?

WTF?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 02, 2012, 11:03:33 am
Just a note, LI=love interest.

Don't worry Joker, I want to romance you!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on March 02, 2012, 01:03:37 pm
NEW LAUNCH TRAILER!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2mdZ23eP8
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Askold on March 04, 2012, 04:17:20 am
Joker's brittle bones would probably cause problems for REALLY rough sex but that does not disqualify him as a potential romance...

Anyway, speaking potential romance:
(http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/qc-hoping.jpg)

Now I just need a similar shirt for Tali/Ashley.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Servo on March 04, 2012, 07:46:59 am
Ah crap, ME3 has been leaked. Looks like I'll be avoiding (most of) the Internet for a while.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 09, 2012, 05:45:41 am
I finally got my ME3 Collector's Edition. I opened it up and... the lithograph is no bigger than a picture I put in a photo album. Wtf is this shit, Bioware? I was expecting something better/bigger!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Askold on March 09, 2012, 06:53:52 am
Yay, now I have to avoid this thread untill I go out and buy the game for myself.

(Who am I kidding I am going to have to avoid most of the internet now.)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Juna Starrider on March 09, 2012, 10:15:02 am
K, know how I said I had a soft spot for kids in danger in an earlier post?  Well, looks like I was wrong.

Spoilers for people who have not finished Tuchanka, and the Citadel afterwards.

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I am the very model of a scientist Salarian.....
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kefkaownsall on March 10, 2012, 12:01:03 am
Okay I beat the game and 99% was the best thing ever but like with the American economy the 1% kills it.  And by the 1% I mean the endings
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SimSim on March 10, 2012, 07:47:22 pm
I still need to play through again to see the other ending.

The ending I saw was
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Thought it was a decent ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 10, 2012, 08:20:38 pm
I'm so sick of war, and apparently so is Shepard. She's so tired. D:

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on March 12, 2012, 08:50:20 pm
I just finished Mass Effect 3 and now I want to break the disc into tiny pieces.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on March 12, 2012, 11:18:27 pm
I'm so sick of war, and apparently so is Shepard. She's so tired. D:

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I know right?!

K, know how I said I had a soft spot for kids in danger in an earlier post?  Well, looks like I was wrong.

Spoilers for people who have not finished Tuchanka, and the Citadel afterwards.

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I am the very model of a scientist Salarian.....

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 13, 2012, 12:24:32 am
I just finished Mass Effect 3 and now I want to break the disc into tiny pieces.

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@TGRwolf (spoilers for the ending)

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on March 13, 2012, 12:36:58 am
I just finished Mass Effect 3 and now I want to break the disc into tiny pieces.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 13, 2012, 11:25:17 am
Have a non-spoilery (as much as possible) scene from Mass Effect 3 featuring hungover Ashley:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcj3VFOBF7o

(It's funnier with FemShep but whatever)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 13, 2012, 01:20:04 pm
So from all I have read you need to do a NG+ to get
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on March 13, 2012, 01:23:21 pm
So from all I have read you need to do a NG+ to get
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At bare minimum I would of been content with a  Dragon Age Origin's ending that is paragraph reading of what happens to everyone instead of the crap we did get.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 13, 2012, 01:33:30 pm
@CaseAgainstFaith,

I hear you. But I do think they may have something in mind. See the thing is that the game is extremely detailed in everything else. To me the only explanation is that they intentionally made it so and do have something in mind. (I read someone say that Bioware was lazy... and I was WTF dude, are you out of your mind? Did you not just play the game?)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on March 13, 2012, 02:08:27 pm
the 5 stages of Mass Effect 3 ending's grief

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SimSim on March 13, 2012, 03:54:56 pm
I've only gotten one ending so far, but I didn't have an issue with it. And the endings do make sense when you think about all the information that's been given to us about the history of the game universe.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 13, 2012, 04:47:26 pm
I've only gotten one ending so far, but I didn't have an issue with it. And the endings do make sense when you think about all the information that's been given to us about the history of the game universe.

Undoubtedly, Simsim. But they are all bitter depressing endings. And in a series of games that were all so dark and foreboding, where the only thing that kept the protagonist going was his/her hope for survival and peace. Where he/she manages to (for most people)
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SimSim on March 13, 2012, 05:40:26 pm
I understand it's a depressing ending and that some things may seem odd about it, but I think that's what makes it much of a realistic ending.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 13, 2012, 06:56:55 pm
In response to the previous spoiler.
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Rationally I know that the ending is realistic. But emotionally I hate it with passion and want another one. :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SimSim on March 13, 2012, 07:53:17 pm
I did all of those but one, so that must have made the difference.

I totally understand why people would dislike the ending. I was just trying to better explain why I do like it.

ETA: helps if I don't leave out words
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on March 13, 2012, 07:56:03 pm
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 13, 2012, 08:23:43 pm
@TGRwulf -
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Juna Starrider on March 14, 2012, 07:49:15 am
Bit complicated to do the Golden ending for Rannoch, but a Paragon Shepard should have it down

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SimSim on March 14, 2012, 03:31:27 pm
I didn't do all 3 missions. Everything else I did.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on March 14, 2012, 04:11:09 pm
Mass Effect 3 (True) Ending DLC Revealed

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I'll believe it when I see it, however it does make a good point and does make sense so long as it is free that is.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 14, 2012, 05:22:03 pm
LOL @ people who are talking about how Bioware doesn't give away free things. Uh... Cerberus Network ring a bell? A lot of stuff on there was free.

Also, Jesus fucking Christ. I hate rumors with a fiery passion. God damn the ending wasn't that terrible. I've seen a lot worse. If anything, there should be clarification as to the plot.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 14, 2012, 05:36:44 pm
@CaseAgainstFaith,

Could you please edit your post and put the link in a spoiler tag?

In addition to the previous link here is another post that does sound plausible:
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Jack Bauer on March 20, 2012, 04:08:36 am
So...

Predictions for Mass Effect 4, anyone?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 20, 2012, 05:30:10 am
Doing a new import of ME3 with an almost perfect ME2 save is amazing. =D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 21, 2012, 01:03:58 am
Just beat the game for a third time... and...

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 21, 2012, 01:55:22 am
Just beat the game for a third time... and...

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That's what many have been saying according to analysis of
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 21, 2012, 05:52:42 am
I don't know about any predictions for Mass Effect 4

But I'd certainly like to play as a Krogan some day :-/

Seriously, a ton of Bioware RPGs that let you choose races, and the one game series with non-evil reptilians (Note that I'm not calling Krogan GOOD, I'm just saying they're not Always Chaotic Evil) is the one series where you're locked into human.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 21, 2012, 10:36:07 am
@zachski,

You can play as Krogan in the MP portion of the game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 21, 2012, 12:42:45 pm
You know exactly what I meant, Miles. It was the same price if you got it new so it wasn't like you paid extra on top of it. Ergo...

Either way... *sigh* Bioware has said they're working on DLC to address 'concerns' about the ME3 ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 21, 2012, 01:59:37 pm
@zachski,

You can play as Krogan in the MP portion of the game.

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Meshakhad on March 21, 2012, 03:17:34 pm
I've fought alongside krogan in multiplayer. They kick ass.

Also:

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To Mass Effect 3 players, from Dr. Ray Muzyka, co-founder of BioWare

As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.

I believe passionately that games are an art form, and that the power of our medium flows from our audience, who are deeply involved in how the story unfolds, and who have the uncontested right to provide constructive criticism. At the same time, I also believe in and support the artistic choices made by the development team.  The team and I have been thinking hard about how to best address the comments on ME3’s endings from players, while still maintaining the artistic integrity of the game.

Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it.  The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us. This is an issue we care about deeply, and we will respond to it in a fair and timely way. We’re already working hard to do that.

To that end, since the game launched, the team has been poring over everything they can find about reactions to the game – industry press, forums, Facebook, and Twitter, just to name a few. The Mass Effect team, like other teams across the BioWare Label within EA, consists of passionate people who work hard for the love of creating experiences that excite and delight our fans.  I’m honored to work with them because they have the courage and strength to respond to constructive feedback.

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April.  We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received.  This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

The reaction to the release of Mass Effect 3 has been unprecedented. On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.

If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it. We’re committed to address your constructive feedback as best we can. In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted. I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole. Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback.  As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support.

Thank you for your feedback – we are listening.

Ray
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 21, 2012, 05:25:57 pm
Just beat the game with my Ren-Shep soldier.  I agree with most people that 99% of the game is excellent.  I went back to Earth, expecting a huge battle with a leap-out-of-my-seat and hand-pumping ending like in ME2.

[Spoilers ahead]

Instead I got the Reapers being changed from galactic sharks (They hunt, feed, and reproduce) to them being slaves to some little brat who wants to save organics by destroying them.  I felt extremely let down by the ending.  I wanted to see Harbringer giving one final speech before being blasted to bits, just like the others, and the rest of the galaxy cheering as one, and finally Shep going off into the sunset with his/her love. 

I may be in the minority, but I'm trying to build up the desire to replay, knowing the entire game ends with a poof instead of an explosion.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 21, 2012, 08:35:11 pm
Nice use of spoiler tags there, Vyper.

Either way, I'm on my fourth playthrough. This time I'm on Insanity mode and I'm going to build up a lot more. I didn't get a lot of research done in my last playthrough but the ending I chose fired me up to play again and do things better.

So far, it doesn't seem too difficult being on Insanity but I haven't gone up against any Reapers yet. We'll see what happens when I do. I'm a Soldier Earthborn Ruthless Renegade FemShep and nothing stands in my way. Nothing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 22, 2012, 04:18:45 am
Sorry, could've sworn there was a Spoiler warning in the thread title.

Well I'm going to play again just to see how things play out with my Para-Shep Adept and his relationship with Tali.

Next, my rather neutral (I didn't care one way or another) Vanguard and his relationship with Ash.

Then my Para-Sentinel and wanting to start a relationship with Ash.

Yeah, I Really like Ashley.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 22, 2012, 04:42:36 am
Vypernight, you can use [ spoiler ] and [ /spoiler ] minus the spaces...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 22, 2012, 05:00:43 am
Oh, okay.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Juna Starrider on March 22, 2012, 06:50:44 am
Interesting, reading Dr. Ray Muzyka's letter to the fans makes Bioware's response very professional, if rather neutral on the subject.  Compare that to the response of the idiots on various forums who interpreted it as a giant "F you" from Bioware.  Some fans just can't be level headed, can they.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 22, 2012, 09:03:07 am
Interesting, reading Dr. Ray Muzyka's letter to the fans makes Bioware's response very professional, if rather neutral on the subject.  Compare that to the response of the idiots on various forums who interpreted it as a giant "F you" from Bioware.  Some fans just can't be level headed, can they.

Some would argue they can't be pleased which is exactly how I thought the reaction would be.

Also, I went up against some low-level Reapers last night. Tore thru them with my incendiary ammo, concussive shot, and the use of Liara's Singularity.

The real challenge will be the Banshees and the Brutes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 22, 2012, 12:56:24 pm
I am halfway through my Insanity run (soldier). I do not find it excessively difficult as of now. Brutes are not a big problem. However, I am concerned about the 2 banshees encounters and the 3 primes on Rannoch. And of course the insane final encounter.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kefkaownsall on March 22, 2012, 01:13:36 pm
My thoughts
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on March 22, 2012, 02:20:04 pm

Mass Effect 3 writer Patrick Weekes speaks out

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full statement (its long) - http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5695/article/mass-effect-3-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/ (http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5695/article/mass-effect-3-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/)

Well this makes a bit more sense to why the reason behind the ending to ME3 sucks.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 22, 2012, 03:32:51 pm
I went up against a bunch of Atlases and got my ass handed to me. They're a lot harder to take down with my current load-out. I also took down some brutes easily enough. The Banshees are my massive worry right now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 22, 2012, 03:50:52 pm
I'm guessing Liara's part of your squad.  Who's the other?

When facing the banshees, I had Liara constantly throw Warp at them, causing them to turn on her (and whoever else was on the team).  Then I opened fire with my shotgun and Carnage.  Liara usually went down, but at least the game doesn't end when she's hurt.  I tended to use Ash's Concussive Blast as a distraction as well.

I'm nervous about my Adept because he tends to be a glass cannon.  At least with Stasis as a bonus power, he has a shot if something gets too close.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on March 22, 2012, 04:08:05 pm
I'm guessing Liara's part of your squad.  Who's the other?

When facing the banshees, I had Liara constantly throw Warp at them, causing them to turn on her (and whoever else was on the team).  Then I opened fire with my shotgun and Carnage.  Liara usually went down, but at least the game doesn't end when she's hurt.  I tended to use Ash's Concussive Blast as a distraction as well.

I'm nervous about my Adept because he tends to be a glass cannon.  At least with Stasis as a bonus power, he has a shot if something gets too close.

I won't spoil too much but no, a true glass cannon (seriously) is this combo - Warp (with the group hitting talent)-> Cluster grenade -> shockwave
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 22, 2012, 04:54:45 pm
I'm guessing Liara's part of your squad.  Who's the other?

When facing the banshees, I had Liara constantly throw Warp at them, causing them to turn on her (and whoever else was on the team).  Then I opened fire with my shotgun and Carnage.  Liara usually went down, but at least the game doesn't end when she's hurt.  I tended to use Ash's Concussive Blast as a distraction as well.

I'm nervous about my Adept because he tends to be a glass cannon.  At least with Stasis as a bonus power, he has a shot if something gets too close.



I was using Liara and Vega at the time.

Eventually I want my team to be Liara and Ash.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 22, 2012, 06:14:58 pm
That was my A team my first time through.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on March 22, 2012, 06:17:42 pm

Mass Effect 3 writer Patrick Weekes speaks out

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full statement (its long) - http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5695/article/mass-effect-3-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/ (http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5695/article/mass-effect-3-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/)

Well this makes a bit more sense to why the reason behind the ending to ME3 sucks.

So he's placing the blame on Casey Hudson and Mac Walters?

I've been suspicious of Casey Hudson ever since he couldn't stop talking about how "Mass Effect 3 is the best place for newcomers to start the series" in almost every piece of promotional material leading up to release.

Bitch, don't tell me that the last game in a fucking trilogy is the best place to start. Did you watch Return of The Jedi first? Was The Two Towers the first LoTR book you read?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 22, 2012, 07:20:40 pm
If what Patrick Weekes says is correct, then I retract half of my dislike of all the whargarbl.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 22, 2012, 09:21:26 pm
If what Patrick Weekes says is correct, then I retract half of my dislike of all the whargarbl.
Aside from the obvious difference in quality between the endings of ME3 and any other part of ME3 or ME2 or ME1, that didn't need any such statement?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 22, 2012, 10:18:54 pm
If what Patrick Weekes says is correct, then I retract half of my dislike of all the whargarbl.
Aside from the obvious difference in quality between the endings of ME3 and any other part of ME3 or ME2 or ME1, that didn't need any such statement?

Not what I was referring to.

I mean, if he's being truthful about the fact that the writing staff was excluded from the writing of the endings.

Either way, though, the whargarbl is still unwarranted and still far more annoying than anything.

I really don't care if the ending screen was "Thanks for giving us your money, now fuck you, kids!  Bwahahaha!", the amount of whargarbl has gone so viral that I can't seem to browse 5 websites without running into it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 22, 2012, 10:42:19 pm
Five? Bitch, I can't go to more than one without running into it. Tho that might be because most of the sites I go to are gaming related. :P Occupational hazard.

Either way, I still support Bioware 100%.

Another update (Maybe spoilers): I've run into Grunt but I took Garrus and Vega with me since Liara won't help me in this mission very much. I need three gunners for it. And Ash is still MIA because I'm not sure I could wait for the part I needed to before going after Grunt.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 23, 2012, 04:33:43 am
Question; how do you get Stasis?  According to the Wikia, you have to talk to Liara to unlock it, but I more than talked to her my first time through and never saw it.  do I need to talk to her at a certain time?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 23, 2012, 09:32:39 am
Iirc, stasis is obtained after Thessia.

I did grunt's mission with liara and edi with my soldier on insanity. No problem and nothing is better than singularity for husks. Also ravagers are susceptible to both warp and incinerate.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 23, 2012, 10:01:01 am
Incendiary ammo works just as well against them. :P

Finished Grunt's thingy.
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I got to do my "No one messes with MY girl" scene with Aethyta. Apparently I got approval for my relationship with Liara. HAH!

As for Stasis... hell if I know. We're rather slow over on the Mass Effect wikia to get all this information together. I'm trying to help with finding the various war assets, intel, etc., you can get on planets.

EDIT: I had to share this article (http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-ending-why-it-vital-future-health-games-bioware-do-not-change-it). I just had to do. GR nailed it on the head about the whole ending controversy for ME3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 23, 2012, 03:36:45 pm
Wait a minite; he never even played the game, but he feels people aren't justified in being upset about it?  Also, didn't the creators of the game admit they did not have 100% control over the ending and that, by their own free will, they are releasing a DLC of the true ending? 

I understand a few people have taken their anger for the ending(s) a little too far, but the person who wrote that article needs to play the game and read what the creators themsleves have said before judging people who have an opinion.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 23, 2012, 03:44:05 pm
I pretty much agree on what he says about the ending:

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 23, 2012, 09:27:21 pm
Wait a minite; he never even played the game, but he feels people aren't justified in being upset about it?  Also, didn't the creators of the game admit they did not have 100% control over the ending and that, by their own free will, they are releasing a DLC of the true ending? 

I understand a few people have taken their anger for the ending(s) a little too far, but the person who wrote that article needs to play the game and read what the creators themsleves have said before judging people who have an opinion.
Exactly. And I personally am of the opinion that when I go to a restaurant and the desert is subpar I have the right to return it and get a new one that satisfies me. And guess what? ANY selfrespecting restaurant and especially a highly rated one (say a michelin star one) would do that and immediately appologize and even sometimes remove the offending part of the meal from the total price. (Gee recently I got my entire entree removed from the bill because I waited 15 minutes more for it than my friend did for his.) Why is it expected that this MUST happen in the food business but not in the entertainment one? (I have my personal opinion on it of course but that's not the point here). It is not BAD for consumers to demand and receive products that satisfy them. Oh and btw I haven't seen any quality or creativity deterioration in any restaurant that has this policy. Quite the opposite: that policy is not honored in restaurants of low quality - the ones that attract patronage with cheap low quality food and doesn't care about maintaining a standard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 23, 2012, 10:07:58 pm
It's bad when the consumer hardly even knows what they're looking for.

You don't ask Cleetus McGee to show how duck a l'orange should be prepared and made and what it should taste like.

Gamers are entitled in this generation and it makes me cringe.

But, I'm just gonna go return Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows now because I hated the ending. You know how it is.

In other, less bitter news: I took Ash to

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 23, 2012, 10:51:41 pm
It's bad when the consumer hardly even knows what they're looking for.

You don't ask Cleetus McGee to show how duck a l'orange should be prepared and made and what it should taste like.

Gamers are entitled in this generation and it makes me cringe.

But, I'm just gonna go return Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows now because I hated the ending. You know how it is.

In other, less bitter news: I took Ash to

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Every consumer knows when they are satisfied or not. And why are you entitled to judge whether someone knows what they are looking for on not?
I do not quite understand the line with Cleetus McGee. I do not understand the reference and a google search didn't turn anything relevant. So I'd assume that you mean a methafor for a "nobody" or a "layman". Indeed you do not ask a layman how to cook an intricate dish. However, the same layman has the right to request a replacement if they do not like the dish and will receive it in a high level restaurant. Indeed the higher the quality of the restaurant the more entitled the customers are to receive an experience that completely satisfies them, regardless of the opinion of the chef.
Customers (including gamers) should become entitled to satisfaction. The opposite leads to product quality going down.

And indeed it is not acceptable to return entertainment products. And that is a flaw of the system. But at least with songs nowadays you have the chance to hear them in their entirety first (usually on radio or TV) before you buy. Not the case with movies/games.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 23, 2012, 11:28:51 pm
You could fucking rent it first for like... $2 from Redbox. Don't give me that bullshit. As I fucking said, it's like me wanting to return the last book of Harry Potter cause I hated the ending. I had to accept that what was done was done. There would be no re-writing except something I would do in the form of fanfiction. There are plenty of TV shows I've stopped watching because I hated the way it was going story wise. Horror of horrors, I learned how to compensate! And it didn't involve bitching at the writers.

You don't need to understand my damn reference because it isn't one. It's me pointing out that a regular person on the street does not understand the process of creating a video game, or anything else. In all of my time looking at the various arguments nobody I've spoken to has had the first clue on what all goes on in development of a game, thus they have no right to tell a developer how to do something. Most people I've spoken to don't know a damn thing about story and lore or anything else or how to craft it. There is more to the Mass Effect universe than what is in the games. You can already see that from the comics and books and such like that. You honestly think ME3 was the end? No! And if people had shut their mouths for two seconds and opened their eyes they'd realize it wasn't the end. There was more to be said about the story of Shepard. It just may not come to them instantly.

If Mr. Dumbfuck went into a restaurant and asked for a replacement that's one thing. But what people are doing now is for the chef to completely retool a recipe. This leads to disaster of the highest degree. The consumer is acting like they know better than the person who originally created the item. As the author of the article mentioned said: "You see the thing is, if this community demands an ending of its own specifications, as Robb implies it will, and if BioWare do deliver that, then experiencing that ending will be an utterly hollow experience. There will be no surprise. There will be no stimulation of thought. There will be no sense of wonder. There will be only the empty, ego-massaging victory that comes from having someone else bend to one’s will. Because if the complainers write their own ending and have it delivered in-game, all they’ll see on screen is what they’ve already seen in their own heads a hundred times over. And if that’s all they’re going to get out of the experience, they might as well bugger off and write some fan-fiction. They’ll save everyone a whole lot of wasted time that way, and allow the series they claim to love to achieve far more than their blinkered self-absorption currently seems to want it to."

I don't see how people are utterly incapable of understanding that basic point. You want a better ending? Fucking write one if you think you're so much better at using the lore of Mass Effect and crafting a great story.

I have never been so disgusted with the gaming community than I am now. Nor have I been so angry in the fact that when someone actually defends Bioware, that they get trampled on and feel like they don't have a voice. I have practically had people say it to my face that I'm a no good fanboy who is being way too lenient on Bioware for 'their atrocities'. Fuck that. Which is why I am sick of even talking about Mass Effect 3 with people. Because of the accusations I've endured. Hell, I'm sure next I'll have someone sneer that I'm Indoctrinated by Bioware! It wouldn't surprise me at this point.

With that, I share this fanart:

(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/251/2/8/mass_effect_3__shepards_army_by_blacklion310-d48ow6y.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Søren on March 23, 2012, 11:46:44 pm
Making games is an art, you DONT change art. Its cultural manipulation
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 24, 2012, 04:04:06 am
Some people like the ending, a lot hate it.  Personally, I'm in the latter, but I'm not feeling entitled to a refund.  It's just my opinion.  I've also seen both sides take it to extremes, which I think is going a little far.  But they said they were releasing a new ending so I'm not complaining.  The rest of the game is excellent, minus the stupid rolling when you want to crouch and, "Insert Disc 1, Insert Disc 2, Insert Disc 1, Insert Disc 2."

Also, I love Garrus.  He was cracking me up the entire mission to get Eve.  I think I'll keep him and James as my main team for the rest of the game (varying here and there).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Juna Starrider on March 24, 2012, 08:33:30 am
Garrus is the man, honestly, I kept him in all of my parties.  Romanced Garrus is even better.   By the way, you are in for a treat when Garrus emails you to meet him up on the citadel.  That scene solidifies his 'bro' status, and his adorkable status for romanced femsheps.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Distind on March 24, 2012, 11:54:52 am
Making games is an art, you DONT change art. Its cultural manipulation
If you haven't seen the ending, after playing 30 hours to get it, don't complain about people wanting it changed.

A fade to black about 30 seconds into the ending would have been better than the piece of shit I just sat through. I've never in my life seen something take a punt gun to it's own plot line in the last five minutes like that. There are cultural abominations, this quiet safely falls into those bounds.


Some people like the ending, a lot hate it.
If they cut the ending out completely and ditched the slow mo dancing with shadows portions, this might have been a passable game. Aside from the required mutiplayer for some of the better ending details, and the complete lack of anything resembling an RPG, and the press space to die horribly control scheme, and when the plot had to peg shepard upside the head with the idiot ball to drag things out further.

I'd wish I hadn't bought the collectors edition, but javic is one of the few things I completely liked about the game...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 25, 2012, 03:53:00 am
Making games is an art, you DONT change art. Its cultural manipulation

Thank you! That's exactly my point.

Besides, the ending isn't that bad (the one I picked) and I didn't even play multiplayer to get the -good- ending. :D I love my ability to wiggle around such things.

Besides, I remember when everyone bitched about the fade to black in Fallout 3...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 25, 2012, 04:35:01 am
I gotta say it;

(Squad) Cryo Ammo + Carnage = Big Colorful Boom!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Søren on March 25, 2012, 08:03:32 am
Even if the ending is "worse" than it already is, they still shouldn't change it. It sets a precedent and messes everything up. And you still NEVER fuck with a person's or group creative work, its their work, from their minds, and their universe. Once it's made you cannot change it, and if it is changed, everybody will still know the makers wete coerced into it, thus tainting it
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 25, 2012, 03:49:27 pm
Well, they said they're releasing a DLC with a new ending.  If yoy love the current ending, don't download the DLC; no one's making you.  I didn't demand it, but I'll definitely download it if it's released.

The choice is yours, one way or another.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 25, 2012, 05:15:49 pm
inb4 people bitch about more DLC? >.>

Alsooooo. I'm almost done with my uh... is this my fourth playthrough? Yeah, anyways. Almost done. Still didn't have enough rep for one thing I wanted to do. -.-
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 26, 2012, 06:10:16 am
In ME 2, my  Ren Fem-Shep Soldier (Zahra) kicked *** while my Par Male-Shep Adept (Jordan) got slaughtered left and right (I replayed nearly every mission).

However, in ME 3 (the exact same characters), Zahra kept getting slaughtered while Jorand's been handing everyone their backsides on a plate!

Still can't wait to bring my Vanguard in! 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 26, 2012, 12:00:51 pm
Odd, my Renegade soldier was cleaning house whereas my Vanguard was dying left, right, and center (on 'normal' difficulty).

Also, also.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 26, 2012, 12:20:38 pm
WTF?

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 26, 2012, 04:24:18 pm
WTF?

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You can find more on masseffect.wikia.com
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 26, 2012, 05:03:53 pm
Thanks, I'll have to try that next time.

I finally got Stasis and maxed it out, so now I have a new power to play with.

As for weapons, how ironic that my new favorite weapon is named after my least favorite animal (IRL).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Meshakhad on March 26, 2012, 10:37:44 pm
While it's not statistically the best weapon, I've fallen in love with the Javelin. I love using a gun that fires a LIQUID at the enemy. I'm basically one step from killing them with water.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 26, 2012, 11:24:14 pm
I use the N7 shotgun and the M-8 Avenger to rather great success, despite the fact the Avenger doesn't do so hot damage wise on Insanity. But... it fires well, I have some good mods on it, and it hasn't let me down.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 27, 2012, 04:36:45 am
The Scorp is my primary weapon, with the Tempest as my back-up.  I gave James the Graal and Revenant, though I have him set mostly on the Graal (upgraded for damage and melee).  Garrus has the Mantis until I buy the Black Widow, along with the Phaeton.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 27, 2012, 03:38:09 pm
For my soldier I now use only one weapon: Indra. For assault rifle using squad mates I use the geth pulse rifle. Black widow for sniper mates.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 27, 2012, 04:09:09 pm
Oops!

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After playing through this the second time, I started brainstorming ideas for a Mass Effect RPG.  I'm not sure what rules I'd use or how to handle abilities or classes (I'd prefer to avoid D20 rules and just keep them simple), but I do know that I'd use 1 of 3 time periods:  Either during the war with the Turians (No no-human allies, no special resources), after the war but before the Reaper invasion (up to ME 2) (Can meet other races, but several such as Geth are hostile.  also acces to anything on the Citadel and shops), and during the invasion itself (Any non-indoctrinated race is playable and any race is a possible ally.  Resources are more difficult to come by with the Reapers attacking though.  Reapers would be treated like a monster in Call of Cthulhu.)

It's still early, but I'm thinking about it at the moment.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 27, 2012, 08:14:32 pm
There is one being developed already...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kefkaownsall on March 27, 2012, 09:38:03 pm
Scorpion best damn gun in the game
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on March 27, 2012, 10:16:14 pm
Scorpion best damn gun in the game

That'd be the Indra. But it's PC only.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 28, 2012, 04:50:10 am
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 28, 2012, 01:27:14 pm
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 28, 2012, 04:40:31 pm
Well that was a weird glitch.
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 28, 2012, 04:41:41 pm
Well that was a weird glitch.
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That's a known glitch from what I know.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on March 31, 2012, 02:19:27 am
For those who are not familiar:

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/ (http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/)

Ladies and gentlemen, as someone who has bought and played ALL of the Mass Effect games AND DLC allow me to state the following:

Bioware, OH NO YOU DIDN’T, you are not Bethsaida, pulling a “Broken Steel DLC” on your fans is inexcusable. Your writers are much, much better than this.

Folks,
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and the reality is that Bioware is still trying to milk money out of the fans. The inconsequential (remind me again how the choices matter or are different?) ending was planned all along.

Worse yet this is a symptom of a change in the gaming industry, games are becoming “rent a chapter” entertainment. Want the info to fill in the plot hole? PAY MORE! Want stuff (weapons, items, characters, ect) that was supposed to be in the game? PAY MORE! Want the plot to be complete / coherent? PAY MORE!

Here let me try to summarize this using math:
Game price>$50 + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] = Bend over. Notes: Game price and amount of [$5 to $20] varies per franchise and nation.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 31, 2012, 02:27:50 am
I'm not sure people these days even know what 'cooperative playing' is. Get to the fucking objectives quickly or else we'll just be sitting ducks. The faster we do it, the sooner the enemy stops spawning. Why do you think we're getting our asses handed to us? Because you aren't getting to the objective. Get to the objective, cover the person who is uploading, and let's move on to the next one.

This is not TDM or anything of the sort. They will keep coming if you let them. Infinite spawn is on until you finish the objectives. How is this hard to fathom?

I am getting sick of dying or getting mission failure in the multiplayer because people can't cooperate with each other. It's even worse when the little biotic thinks they can rush a Banshee or a Brute by themselves and they get killed in milliseconds and nobody can revive them because the banshee is right fucking there.

Play to your strengths. Don't think that fucking Nova can save your ass against a Banshee either, though. You can't do it by yourself. Stop making us fail because you think you are God. Team up, hit the enemy with the right combo, and let's just get it done.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on March 31, 2012, 02:37:01 am
I haven't even tried mp yet.  I heard kicking is worse than Left 4 Dead, which got annoying real fast, especially with all the loading screens.

In sp, I'm on my third run with my Vanguard.  I'm still debating on team members; probably Liara for her Singularity (easiest way to deal with the guys with shields) and either Javik, Edi, or Tali (I want to try 2 teammates with Scorps and Cryo Ammo and see how it plays).  Energy shields are no longer an issue as Shep can Charge right through them.  I'm just trying to decide on spending all my credits on Terminus Armor or just customizing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 31, 2012, 02:59:28 am
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Honestly, can the fan rage just stop now?  It's a stupid thing to get upset over, and quite frankly, I already knew that the idea of Mass Effect 3 having so many endings depending on your choices throughout all three games was little more than a pipe dream.  It's just not realistic, unless you develop all three games at the same time, and then split the game up into three parts.  And then you'd get people complaining about that.

Just, please.  Stop whining.  It hurts my brain.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on March 31, 2012, 03:55:33 am
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Where is this quote, can someone post a link because I am unable to find it. If this is a paraphrase of my post, then it is only half complete. If so you forgot to include that the game industry is nickel and dime-ing itself into another video game crash.


Honestly, can the fan rage just stop now?  It's a stupid thing to get upset over, and quite frankly,

No, instead of being cynical, jaded, misanthropic fucks and getting everything pirated we paid money hoping Bioware would not fuck up epically. They fucked up so bad that even the fans are trying to give them an out for some sense of recuperation. AND THEY ARE FUCKING TAKING IT. This is a repeat of what happened with Broken Steel.

Question: https://twitter.com/CrowbarRX/status/179679430002749440 (https://twitter.com/CrowbarRX/status/179679430002749440)
Response: https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392 (https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392)

https://twitter.com/GambleMike/statuses/177942797880541185?_escaped_fragment_=/GambleMike/status/177942797880541185#!/GambleMike/status/177942797880541185 (https://twitter.com/GambleMike/statuses/177942797880541185?_escaped_fragment_=/GambleMike/status/177942797880541185#!/GambleMike/status/177942797880541185)


I already knew that the idea of Mass Effect 3 having so many endings depending on your choices throughout all three games was little more than a pipe dream.

Importing data from saves is not a radical, new or experimental concept.


It's just not realistic, unless you develop all three games at the same time, and then split the game up into three parts.  And then you'd get people complaining about that.

Just, please.  Stop whining.  It hurts my brain.

OH GOD flash backs to Starcraft 2.

Wait, you honestly think that plot structure was not planned ahead of time? Just winging it due to lack of time describes the ending, did you ever look at the leaked script?

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 31, 2012, 04:03:09 am
I haven't even tried mp yet.  I heard kicking is worse than Left 4 Dead, which got annoying real fast, especially with all the loading screens.

In sp, I'm on my third run with my Vanguard.  I'm still debating on team members; probably Liara for her Singularity (easiest way to deal with the guys with shields) and either Javik, Edi, or Tali (I want to try 2 teammates with Scorps and Cryo Ammo and see how it plays).  Energy shields are no longer an issue as Shep can Charge right through them.  I'm just trying to decide on spending all my credits on Terminus Armor or just customizing.

Kicking? Er... not in my experience...

For those who are not familiar:

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/ (http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/)

Ladies and gentlemen, as someone who has bought and played ALL of the Mass Effect games AND DLC allow me to state the following:

Bioware, OH NO YOU DIDN’T, you are not Bethsaida, pulling a “Broken Steel DLC” on your fans is inexcusable. Your writers are much, much better than this.

Folks,
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and the reality is that Bioware is still trying to milk money out of the fans. The inconsequential (remind me again how the choices matter or are different?) ending was planned all along.

Worse yet this is a symptom of a change in the gaming industry, games are becoming “rent a chapter” entertainment. Want the info to fill in the plot hole? PAY MORE! Want stuff (weapons, items, characters, ect) that was supposed to be in the game? PAY MORE! Want the plot to be complete / coherent? PAY MORE!

Here let me try to summarize this using math:
Game price>$50 + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] = Bend over. Notes: Game price and amount of [$5 to $20] varies per franchise and nation.

Didn't I say it? Inb4 bitching about DLC. I knew it was going to happen ages ago.

Imagine if all this bitching was put towards the real atrocities in gaming, like online passes and shit like that.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on March 31, 2012, 04:47:42 am
For those who are not familiar:

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/ (http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/)

Ladies and gentlemen, as someone who has bought and played ALL of the Mass Effect games AND DLC allow me to state the following:

Bioware, OH NO YOU DIDN’T, you are not Bethsaida, pulling a “Broken Steel DLC” on your fans is inexcusable. Your writers are much, much better than this.

Folks,
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and the reality is that Bioware is still trying to milk money out of the fans. The inconsequential (remind me again how the choices matter or are different?) ending was planned all along.

Worse yet this is a symptom of a change in the gaming industry, games are becoming “rent a chapter” entertainment. Want the info to fill in the plot hole? PAY MORE! Want stuff (weapons, items, characters, ect) that was supposed to be in the game? PAY MORE! Want the plot to be complete / coherent? PAY MORE!

Here let me try to summarize this using math:
Game price>$50 + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] + [$5 to $20] = Bend over. Notes: Game price and amount of [$5 to $20] varies per franchise and nation.

Didn't I say it? Inb4 bitching about DLC. I knew it was going to happen ages ago.

Imagine if all this bitching was put towards the real atrocities in gaming, like online passes and shit like that.

Online passes? Gimmick advertising for MMOs?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 31, 2012, 05:15:50 am
I don't play MMOs so no idea what you're talking about there. I mean the fucking $10 passes you need for PS3 and 360 in order to play multiplayer if you get the game used or you lose the code packaged in the game at some point. Y'know, like what is packaged in EA games?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Distind on March 31, 2012, 06:57:17 am
I don't play MMOs so no idea what you're talking about there. I mean the fucking $10 passes you need for PS3 and 360 in order to play multiplayer if you get the game used or you lose the code packaged in the game at some point. Y'know, like what is packaged in EA games?

Yeah, the horror of a game producer expecting people to pay them to be able to use their mutiplayer service. GASP! Even if they buy it used!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 31, 2012, 08:53:39 am
I don't play MMOs so no idea what you're talking about there. I mean the fucking $10 passes you need for PS3 and 360 in order to play multiplayer if you get the game used or you lose the code packaged in the game at some point. Y'know, like what is packaged in EA games?

Yeah, the horror of a game producer expecting people to pay them to be able to use their mutiplayer service. GASP! Even if they buy it used!

So says the person who doesn't even have to buy the passes! =)

It's an even bigger kicker when the code does expire even if you have a brand new box but you just bought it later than most people. So thus you have to pay more.

It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to make sure I get something new within a year or so if I even want to be able to play multiplayer without shelling out more cash.

Also not all online passes lock multiplayer. Remember what this topic is about? ME3? It locks singleplayer content too. It did the same thing for ME2 with the Cerberus Network code.

This isn't even a DLC thing, it's a locking something that was free for decades thing. I already pay $5 a month to play online. So the online pass is just extra money I have to burn if I didn't get the game new and within a certain time frame. That's fun, innit?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Distind on March 31, 2012, 09:24:49 am
That I'm happy to call bullshit on, it's more the Mortal Kombat/Twisted Metal, this is only a pass to use our dedicated online server, passes I'm onboard with.

Largely because I know how much of a bitch it can be to keep servers running well.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 31, 2012, 10:19:48 am
See, that's the thing. The ME3 servers aren't dedicated (as far as I know), so there's no reason I need to pay extra money for it.

Now, for something like Battlefield 3, sure. They have dedicated servers. But unless I'm mistaken, the ones for ME3 and Call of Duty and such like that aren't dedicated. And at least with Call of Duty you can choose to pay and still play online if you don't.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Distind on March 31, 2012, 10:57:13 am
See, that's the thing. The ME3 servers aren't dedicated (as far as I know), so there's no reason I need to pay extra money for it.

Now, for something like Battlefield 3, sure. They have dedicated servers. But unless I'm mistaken, the ones for ME3 and Call of Duty and such like that aren't dedicated. And at least with Call of Duty you can choose to pay and still play online if you don't.
All I know about ME3 mutiplayer is my router dislikes the idea and I don't care enough to bother after seeing that ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 31, 2012, 06:57:22 pm
It's actually pretty fun. Much more so than the Nazi Zombie stuff on Call of Duty or the Horde type mode in Halo. But that's just me~
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Juna Starrider on March 31, 2012, 10:05:48 pm
For those slightly peeved about the ending, I give you this very nice webcomic series.

http://koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery/ (http://koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery/)


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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 01, 2012, 06:01:59 am
Last night I got in a fist fight with a Brute . . . and won!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 02, 2012, 10:20:55 pm
Welp folks, it was bound to happen sooner or later, someone found a way to "hack" the galactic readiness rating. That person is also dumb as hell because the file is a local profile which contains ALL of his or her online game data. Don't try to use it online though.

The German forum thread, no direct link for you.

http://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/threads/1123521-ME3-Cheat-f%C3%BCr-100-Readiness?s=d9493e2ae0361014484f63a25565d47b (http://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/threads/1123521-ME3-Cheat-f%C3%BCr-100-Readiness?s=d9493e2ae0361014484f63a25565d47b)




I don't play MMOs so no idea what you're talking about there. I mean the fucking $10 passes you need for PS3 and 360 in order to play multiplayer if you get the game used or you lose the code packaged in the game at some point. Y'know, like what is packaged in EA games?

Yeah, the horror of a game producer expecting people to pay them to be able to use their mutiplayer service. GASP! Even if they buy it used!

So says the person who doesn't even have to buy the passes! =)

It's an even bigger kicker when the code does expire even if you have a brand new box but you just bought it later than most people. So thus you have to pay more.

It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to make sure I get something new within a year or so if I even want to be able to play multiplayer without shelling out more cash.

Also not all online passes lock multiplayer. Remember what this topic is about? ME3? It locks singleplayer content too. It did the same thing for ME2 with the Cerberus Network code.

This isn't even a DLC thing, it's a locking something that was free for decades thing. I already pay $5 a month to play online. So the online pass is just extra money I have to burn if I didn't get the game new and within a certain time frame. That's fun, innit?

Wait did everybody forget just how much of a cesspit any form of online multiplayer is? Did everyone forget about the culture of Xbox live?

DLC s a bad idea, especially when legitimately bought stuff expires but the pirated versions never do!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 03, 2012, 02:48:50 am
Uh. I dunno what online multiplayer you've been playing but it certainly ain't ME3's. I've been playing quite a bit and haven't run into any bad seeds. Most people don't even have a mic, it seems (there are actually multiple topics about it on the ME3 forums asking why so few people use mics). Besides, you don't have to have your headset on. I usually don't when I brave the Call of Duty MP for example. But ME3 hasn't been too bad at all, verbally. Now if only everyone would work together...

Not even gonna touch the DLC thing again.

As for hacking the galactic readiness, yeah that was found a while ago, actually. And Bioware has confirmed a while ago that you will be banned for it. Raised a stink in the community. Kinda silly considering there are free, legal, legit apps that up your readiness so you don't even have to play MP to get max readiness.

In other news... I'm almost done with my Insanity playthrough but guess what? Kai Leng is still as big of a bitch to beat as he was on the easier difficulties. I've nearly thrown my controller about five times trying to beat him. -_- I've paused for the day/night tho.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on April 03, 2012, 02:30:51 pm
Kai Leng on Insanity the first time was not a big problem. However, I am doing the Insanity run in NG+ so I am lvl 60 with all weapons. I find it easier than my Hardcore run from lvl 30 import.

I have not found any free legal legit apps for the PC that up your rating yet... Do they by any chance require owning some other hardware?

My MP experience is only on bronze level and there is no real need for communication. In addition I have not encountered anyone who is not collaborating in achieving all tasks. In other words I am quite suprised at how good the PC players are.
I am concerned, though, that silver and especially gold difficulty really needs communication and this makes me reluctant to try them. In addition I started the MP 3 days ago so I am not well equipped - I really need better weapons and upgrades especially for my soldier that struggles badly (or I don't play it well...) My adept though is doing very very well  since not much equipement is needed (1.3s cooldowns on powers is awesome - biotic explosions are also awesome).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 03, 2012, 02:56:50 pm
That's because they aren't for PC. I explained this multiple times in the IRC. There was an app on the ME Facebook page a while back that helped a little but I've been using the one for iOS. Now, admittedly not everyone has access to an iOS device but... (see below)

And besides, if you do all you can in the previous games you should be able to run into enough people in ME3 to get your war assets up high enough that the default readiness should not hurt you too badly. Just make the right decisions and you're good to go. Sadly, that means you can't be 100% renegade/paragon but I'll let people figure out the routes they want to take if they go back thru the trilogy again.

It may not be 100% fair (If you want 100% readiness or at least 70-80%), but people who have zero access to internet on their device of choice would be at a loss anyways because EMS has to have communication with the ME3 servers.

In the end, someone somewhere is going to be butthurt.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 03, 2012, 03:46:31 pm
Punched out a few bitches, I mean Banshees last night.  I'm having a lot of fun with my Vanguard.  Can't wait for the fight with Kai Leng. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on April 05, 2012, 09:35:10 am
It's gonna happen!

BioWare has announced the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free download for PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 that addresses the controversial ending of the game.

It provides "additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes" to the ending, and launches this summer.

The Extended Cut is designed to give players "seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes", BioWare said.

BioWare boss Ray Muzyka commented: "We are all incredibly proud of Mass Effect 3 and the work done by Casey Hudson and team.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-05-bioware-announces-mass-effect-3-extended-cut (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-05-bioware-announces-mass-effect-3-extended-cut)

I can't wait!  I have 3 sheps that are waiting to complete the game (only completed it one time) and now they will finally be able to!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on April 05, 2012, 01:05:10 pm
It's gonna happen!

BioWare has announced the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free download for PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 that addresses the controversial ending of the game.

It provides "additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes" to the ending, and launches this summer.

The Extended Cut is designed to give players "seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes", BioWare said.

BioWare boss Ray Muzyka commented: "We are all incredibly proud of Mass Effect 3 and the work done by Casey Hudson and team.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-05-bioware-announces-mass-effect-3-extended-cut (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-05-bioware-announces-mass-effect-3-extended-cut)

I can't wait!  I have 3 sheps that are waiting to complete the game (only completed it one time) and now they will finally be able to!

There will have to be a lot of stuff they do to fill in the plot holes... :) I am not very optimistic, but I will wait and see. If it's not satisfactory I will have my ending be
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I am starting to feel not as depressed anymore about the endings anyway - I just won't be replaying the game as many times as I did with the previous ones. Which is a shame since, aside from the ending, the game is the best thing I have ever played.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on April 05, 2012, 01:19:28 pm
It's gonna happen!

BioWare has announced the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free download for PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 that addresses the controversial ending of the game.

It provides "additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes" to the ending, and launches this summer.

The Extended Cut is designed to give players "seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes", BioWare said.

BioWare boss Ray Muzyka commented: "We are all incredibly proud of Mass Effect 3 and the work done by Casey Hudson and team.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-05-bioware-announces-mass-effect-3-extended-cut (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-05-bioware-announces-mass-effect-3-extended-cut)

I can't wait!  I have 3 sheps that are waiting to complete the game (only completed it one time) and now they will finally be able to!

There will have to be a lot of stuff they do to fill in the plot holes... :) I am not very optimistic, but I will wait and see. If it's not satisfactory I will have my ending be
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I am starting to feel not as depressed anymore about the endings anyway - I just won't be replaying the game as many times as I did with the previous ones. Which is a shame since, aside from the ending, the game is the best thing I have ever played.

The only reason I am optimistic is because it almost seems like how they execute this will be make it or break it for Bioware.  Just look at the insanity going on in the forums - http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/11028261/1 (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/11028261/1)  (insanity not being used lightly either).  But for me personally if the DLC falls flat I don't plan on buying anymore Bioware games brand new/pre-ordering.  I will happily wait till they are out and either rent them/borrow from a friend or wait for a price drop/buy them used.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Distind on April 05, 2012, 01:39:44 pm
But for me personally if the DLC falls flat I don't plan on buying anymore Bioware games brand new/pre-ordering.  I will happily wait till they are out and either rent them/borrow from a friend or wait for a price drop/buy them used.
Yeah, not that I expect anyone making the decisions to read this, but I had been planning on tracking down all of the DLC for all three of them and doing another full playthrough once all three were out. But with that ending... it's just plain not worth playing through it again for me.

I've been burned enough in the last year on pre-orders that I think I may be done with them for a while.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 05, 2012, 03:11:33 pm
I went back to ME1 so I can fix some booboos I made. Then it's back to ME2... then ME3. And we'll see where that gets me.

I already had all of the DLC, so no big deal.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 05, 2012, 04:07:45 pm
Well, my Vanguard kicked Kai Leng's *** in about a minute.  That was a fun battle!  I almost want my 4th character to be a vanguard as well instead of a sentinal since I think she'd do more damage as one.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GLaDOS on April 05, 2012, 04:18:26 pm
The new ending will be released as free DLC over the summer. God knows what will happen if this one flops.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17626125 (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17626125)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 05, 2012, 05:02:38 pm
I'm guessing it'll flop even if it's a great ending because of two possibilities.

1. Butthurt fans will whine that the ending wasn't as perfect as they wanted.

2. Butthurt fans will expect it to be bad and nitpick at it in ways they wouldn't nitpick other endings from other games.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 05, 2012, 05:07:54 pm
As far as I'm concerned about the ending;
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on April 06, 2012, 01:19:07 pm
The first MP DLC is coming out on Tuesday. It's free. Includes 2 new MP maps, also 3 new weapons and 6 characters to unlock.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 07, 2012, 03:03:18 am
I am now convinced Bioware doesn't know how human bodies move at all. :x oh gods.

In other news, the weapons sound like crap but the maps should be fun. I was hoping they'd add a Menae map.

ETA- I've been playing ME1 and I ran across a Prothean artifact on Eletania. It said this when I activated it:
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 07, 2012, 06:07:32 am
Shows how little I pay attention to any text blocks in the games; I'm too busy shooting and blowing things up.
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 07, 2012, 06:51:55 am


Shows how little I pay attention to any text blocks in the games; I'm too busy shooting and blowing things up.
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I like to read as much as I can. I get finicky about it. That's what an RPG is for... to read into the lore. lol

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Something non-spoilery... I think?
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 09, 2012, 04:36:00 am
I guess I was just too busy blowing stuff up (high explosive + 2 frictionless materials = Gatling grenade launcher), romancing hot warrior poets and blue women, and laughing at the dialog.  I'll have to check those out in a future playthrough.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 09, 2012, 05:16:17 am
That's why I did another one. So I could do more when it came to reading the codices and doing the side quests I neglected.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Distind on April 09, 2012, 06:26:15 am
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Pretty sure it gets mentioned, just not something terribly in your face. Think it might have been a scan pickup.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 09, 2012, 01:50:00 pm
If you say so but I've scoured everywhere (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Eletania) to see if there's anything about it, but it's only mentioned in ME1. Unless you want to be more specific about what exactly is mentioned.

Found some supposed cut content from the game dealing with Shepard's uncertainties and Ash's beliefs (http://i.imgur.com/Q9DmN.jpg).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on April 11, 2012, 12:02:51 pm
The Better Business Bureau sides with Fans on ME 3, it was falsely advertised.

One gamer, in particular, who goes by El_Spiko was so upset by all of this that he filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and posted his action online, which created quite a frenzy in the media and the online world.

The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise?  Technically, yes, they did.  In the first bullet point, where it states “the decisions you make completely shape your experience”, there is no indecision in that statement.  It is an absolute.  The next statement is not so absolute.  It states “your choices drive powerful outcomes”.  A consumer would have to very carefully analyze this statement to come to a conclusion that the game’s outcome is not “wholly” determined by one’s choices.  This statement, really though, is very subject to interpretation.  Also this is just a small example of their advertising and does not take into account anything that might have been said, as far as their public relations and other advertising campaigns.

http://www.bbb.org/blog/2012/04/mass-effect-3-is-having-a-mass-effect-on-its-consumers-for-better-or-worse/ (http://www.bbb.org/blog/2012/04/mass-effect-3-is-having-a-mass-effect-on-its-consumers-for-better-or-worse/)

I don't think EA or Bioware is backed by the BBB anyway but it does kind of set a interesting precedent that even they agree that fans were in fact lied to and it isn't a "entitlement" issue.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 11, 2012, 01:08:35 pm
Oh for fuck's sake... -.-
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 11, 2012, 04:54:25 pm
*headdesks*

Awesome. This is going to cripple gaming. Congrats.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 11, 2012, 06:56:15 pm
Geez, I'm one of those who hated the ending and even I think that's stupid!  Going to the FTC because of the game?  Even I find that a bit extreme!  When people hate a movie they don't file claims; they just stop watching it, resulting in losses of sales (Or if it's previewed, the creators may make changes). 

You file a complaint because the game is broken and the company won't refund you, not because you don't like the ending.  I hate having to side against the people I was previously agreeing with, but this is just stupid.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 12, 2012, 04:18:57 am
Here, have some epic cosplay:

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Oh and I finished ME2 again... I think I set myself up for the golden ending, as well. So w00t.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Distind on April 12, 2012, 06:20:52 am
*headdesks*

Awesome. This is going to cripple gaming. Congrats.
Yes, how DARE people expect game companies to actually do what they say they will. Think of the poor, poor massive gaming houses that would rather shit something out on a marketing determined schedule rather than actually finish the damn game. Oh what will they ever do.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 12, 2012, 01:44:04 pm
*headdesks*

Awesome. This is going to cripple gaming. Congrats.
Yes, how DARE people expect game companies to actually do what they say they will. Think of the poor, poor massive gaming houses that would rather shit something out on a marketing determined schedule rather than actually finish the damn game. Oh what will they ever do.

Because it's impossible for choices to have an impact unless they only impact the very end of the game, leading to 5,000 possible different endings to satisfy every single person out there ::)

Screw the ending.  The fact that,
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 12, 2012, 08:54:56 pm
*headdesks*

Awesome. This is going to cripple gaming. Congrats.
Yes, how DARE people expect game companies to actually do what they say they will. Think of the poor, poor massive gaming houses that would rather shit something out on a marketing determined schedule rather than actually finish the damn game. Oh what will they ever do.

If I had a nickel for every time I felt like I was 'lied to by a marketing department' I could buy a new goddamn hero car.

Instead of fucking focusing on the ending, how's about we ALLLL think about all the other shit you changed through your choices? Did you get Tali on the admiralty board? Or was she in hiding? Did you save the Quarian fleet or did you decide fuck it and go elsewhere for a bit? Did you manage to save your Virmire survivor or did you royally fuck it up?

The end does not make the journey and I'm sick of everyone whining about how it does. You know what your choices in life give you? Death. Maybe earlier maybe later. But you still get death.

You're told in plenty of other games you can choose how you go about things. But in the end you get to the same exact ending. Yet nobody seems to bitch about any of that. You go into a movie expecting something and you get something completely different. Remember Sucker Punch? Everyone thought it was just going to be gratutitous and showing girls in anime clothes using big swords and guns. But when they got in there it ended up being something else. Why? Because you do not give away the entire movie in previews.

There is no satisfaction guarantee on a piece of entertainment like that. There shouldn't be. Upset you saw it in theaters? Too fucking bad no refund for you, should've rented it if you were that unsure or too quick to jump on tickets.

Let's see... *looks through game library* AH! RAGE! Yes. Rage. Oooh fuck do I have a story for that. I was told the driving was optional. It isn't. Not really. ohhhh no. Nope. You have to in order to progress! YEP! Better go fucking complain to the BBB that I was lied to by Bethesda. But I didn't, because I felt that there might be a part for the cars. There's always a catch in something.

Skyrim... yes, Skyrim. I was promised that depending on who I sided with things would be epic. Nothing changed after the civil war. I didn't get to see it. Not really. Should I complain? I still had to go after the real bad guys, like usual.

How about you knock off the whole 'how dare game companies do this'? Because believe you me there are a lot worse sins by game companies than this and everyone is ignoring them.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on April 12, 2012, 10:20:24 pm
Uff...

The very first thing I want to say is that as long as I pay for a product I do not care about the nature of the product. Art, utilities, clothing, food etc. - IT DOESN'T MATTER since it is MY MONEY. The artist is entitled to their art and artistic vision as long as they are not selling it. At the moment they sell it the customer has all the right to expect and demand satisfaction. If you had the opportunity to evaluate it in full then the point of purchase is a reasonable limit of that right. It is a very different matter if that is not the case. If you do not agree with this point we have nothing to debate about in this topic anymore.

I am amazed at the defence of a unfair to the customer practice. Yes - the practice of having to purchase based on an advertisement without the option to return is unfair to the customer. And since it is the customer's money (read: my hard earned fricking money) the customer should be entitled or exchange a product they find unsatisfactory. And it is the customer themselves (and not another customer) that decides if they are satisfied with the quality of the product. The movies and video games model must change. Like the music model changed. It was the case that (quite a while ago now) the market model in the music industry was as follows:
1) you heard the advertised song on radio
2) if you liked it you purchased it
3) however in addition to purchasing the song you had to also purchase a number of other songs, which in way too many cases were of significantly inferior quality.
4) which amounts to spending an album money worth on a very few songs you actually liked.
I am sure there are people who'd find nothing wrong with this model. I, however, find it appalling, unfair, fraudulent. Luckily, nowadays we have a very very different model for purchasing music, where you can hear a song (evaluate) and then purchase that song for a (many would say) fair price.

The common objection here would be that unlike music, movies, for example, cannot be sold/consumed in parts. It is also the case that there are many other businesses that have a no return policy.
And yet again there are just as many other businesses that do have the opposite policy and one good example is the restaurant industry.
The higher the level of a restaurant is the more likely it is that the customer has the right to return any item they find unsatisfactory - for an exchange or just straight out price reduction.

Finally in any mass art industry a wide variety of external factors impose their demands on the artistic vision of the artist and the artist has little choice but to make changes. The ME3 ending situation is not in any sense unique. Quite the opposite - it is a common occurrence behind the scenes. It is just that this time finally the customer can directly express their own demands and expectations.
That somehow the industry will be harmed by this is a complete misnomer and I in my personal opinion a badly informed opinion at best (if not a directly deceitful one...)


P.S. I wonder what the Harry Potter fans would have done if Rowling had somehow decided to write an ending in which all magic is annihilated from the world and as a side effect all technological means of fast travel too... In which Europe is plunged into mass starvation with no means of help from anywhere else... In which a new dark age begins with the end of Voldemort and the Death Eaters...
Well... maybe they would have accepted it. Who knows...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 12, 2012, 11:39:38 pm
lol that's hilarious. I don't think anyone these days knows what they want out of gaming. I hear people bitch and moan about how EA does things with online passes but they continue playing. I hear people whine about DLC but they keep buying it.

Also, the little Harry Potter thing? Doesn't work. Because I was expecting Harry to die off. But you didn't see me whine and complain and write to JKR to change the ending of her book.

But it's obvious that neither you nor Distind will see eye-to-eye with me on this. So I don't see why there should even be an attempt at civil discourse when there's nothing to be gained.

I've been writing a fanfiction based on Mass Effect and the ending I was given. I'm having no problems with it whatsoever because of the way I imagined things to be after the Reapers went away. It's not even a coping mechanism. It's me taking what I was offered in the end and making something out of it.

I am positive that even with the cutscenes that will be given in the new DLC people will still bitch and moan. They don't want closure, they want their tantrums to be listened to.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on April 13, 2012, 12:24:42 am
*headdesks*

Awesome. This is going to cripple gaming. Congrats.
Yes, how DARE people expect game companies to actually do what they say they will. Think of the poor, poor massive gaming houses that would rather shit something out on a marketing determined schedule rather than actually finish the damn game. Oh what will they ever do.

If I had a nickel for every time I felt like I was 'lied to by a marketing department' I could buy a new goddamn hero car.

Instead of fucking focusing on the ending, how's about we ALLLL think about all the other shit you changed through your choices? Did you get Tali on the admiralty board? Or was she in hiding? Did you save the Quarian fleet or did you decide fuck it and go elsewhere for a bit? Did you manage to save your Virmire survivor or did you royally fuck it up?

The end does not make the journey and I'm sick of everyone whining about how it does. You know what your choices in life give you? Death. Maybe earlier maybe later. But you still get death.

You're told in plenty of other games you can choose how you go about things. But in the end you get to the same exact ending. Yet nobody seems to bitch about any of that. You go into a movie expecting something and you get something completely different. Remember Sucker Punch? Everyone thought it was just going to be gratutitous and showing girls in anime clothes using big swords and guns. But when they got in there it ended up being something else. Why? Because you do not give away the entire movie in previews.

There is no satisfaction guarantee on a piece of entertainment like that. There shouldn't be. Upset you saw it in theaters? Too fucking bad no refund for you, should've rented it if you were that unsure or too quick to jump on tickets.

Let's see... *looks through game library* AH! RAGE! Yes. Rage. Oooh fuck do I have a story for that. I was told the driving was optional. It isn't. Not really. ohhhh no. Nope. You have to in order to progress! YEP! Better go fucking complain to the BBB that I was lied to by Bethesda. But I didn't, because I felt that there might be a part for the cars. There's always a catch in something.

Skyrim... yes, Skyrim. I was promised that depending on who I sided with things would be epic. Nothing changed after the civil war. I didn't get to see it. Not really. Should I complain? I still had to go after the real bad guys, like usual.

How about you knock off the whole 'how dare game companies do this'? Because believe you me there are a lot worse sins by game companies than this and everyone is ignoring them.

So, in other words, "I think it isnt a big deal, so you have no right to complain about it."

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Instead of fucking focusing on the ending, how's about we ALLLL think about all the other shit you changed through your choices? Did you get Tali on the admiralty board? Or was she in hiding? Did you save the Quarian fleet or did you decide fuck it and go elsewhere for a bit? Did you manage to save your Virmire survivor or did you royally fuck it up?

Yeah, All of that? Doesn't matter. The ending completely nullifies almost every choice you have ever made throughout all three games.

The game gives all of your actions an effect and then throws them all out the window at the last minute.

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How about you knock off the whole 'how dare game companies do this'? Because believe you me there are a lot worse sins by game companies than this and everyone is ignoring them.

Ah, the old "starving African children" defense. "There is way worse out there, so your concerns don't matter."

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 13, 2012, 01:19:40 am
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Believe what you want. I can't wait to see more whining this summer.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 13, 2012, 04:38:41 am
Actually movies and their endings are changed based on audience reaction all the time.

And this isn't one or two people upset; it's a huge number of people who have legitmate beef with the ending.  And while I wouldn't go so far as to go to the BBB, I agree with them. 

Honestly, I'd be thrilled if, after the big battle on Earth, the words, "The End" appeared on the screen.  Well that and if they could make more cutscenes (especially the dream sequences) skippable (They just aren't any fun after the 3rd + playthrough).  Otherwise (aside from freezing issues), the game is excellent.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 13, 2012, 02:41:49 pm
Yeah, All of that? Doesn't matter. The ending completely nullifies almost every choice you have ever made throughout all three games.

Nope.

Instead of fucking focusing on the ending, how's about we ALLLL think about all the other shit you changed through your choices? Did you get Tali on the admiralty board? Or was she in hiding? Did you save the Quarian fleet or did you decide fuck it and go elsewhere for a bit? Did you manage to save your Virmire survivor or did you royally fuck it up?

These things happened.  Whether you got to the ending or didn't, it didn't magically make these events un-happen.  It happened.

If you stopped whining for 5 seconds, maybe you'd actually be able to listen and see what people are saying instead of jumping on a fucking bandwagon.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 13, 2012, 09:45:02 pm
I partially agree with the BBB, but only to a certain extent. I don't think that going to court over this is going to accomplish anything. Does that guy really think Bioware's going to lose in court, issue an apology, and then keel to the gamers' demands for a "better" ending, after spending money on defending themselves? I don't think this is a harmful false advertising that warrants such a suit. It's not like your quality of life was significantly lessened because of this game's ending. I can see how it would definitely be a disappointment, but it's not worth exploiting every loophole to get Bioware to go back on their decisions. I personally consider video games to be a form of storytelling and art, so in my opinion the creative team should have the artistic license to do what they want, even if it's not what the public wants.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on April 13, 2012, 10:11:26 pm
I partially agree with the BBB, but only to a certain extent. I don't think that going to court over this is going to accomplish anything. Does that guy really think Bioware's going to lose in court, issue an apology, and then keel to the gamers' demands for a "better" ending, after spending money on defending themselves? I don't think this is a harmful false advertising that warrants such a suit. It's not like your quality of life was significantly lessened because of this game's ending. I can see how it would definitely be a disappointment, but it's not worth exploiting every loophole to get Bioware to go back on their decisions. I personally consider video games to be a form of storytelling and art, so in my opinion the creative team should have the artistic license to do what they want, even if it's not what the public wants.

I agree with the last line after everything is said and done.  I may of not liked the ending but I've already jumped off this sinking ship and personally blacklisted Bioware.  It would take a lot of good will from them to get me back as a customer but I know I am not a alone in this. They can keep their artistic vision and we the customers will just decide with our money when they try to release another game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 13, 2012, 10:28:17 pm
I partially agree with the BBB, but only to a certain extent. I don't think that going to court over this is going to accomplish anything. Does that guy really think Bioware's going to lose in court, issue an apology, and then keel to the gamers' demands for a "better" ending, after spending money on defending themselves? I don't think this is a harmful false advertising that warrants such a suit. It's not like your quality of life was significantly lessened because of this game's ending. I can see how it would definitely be a disappointment, but it's not worth exploiting every loophole to get Bioware to go back on their decisions. I personally consider video games to be a form of storytelling and art, so in my opinion the creative team should have the artistic license to do what they want, even if it's not what the public wants.

I agree with the last line after everything is said and done.  I may of not liked the ending but I've already jumped off this sinking ship and personally blacklisted Bioware.  It would take a lot of good will from them to get me back as a customer but I know I am not a alone in this. They can keep their artistic vision and we the customers will just decide with our money when they try to release another game.

I think Bioware screwed this one up but they've made many other great games with epic stories as well. The feedback they receive should be to encourage them to make more of the good stuff instead of suddenly singling them out as irredeemable for one bad apple. The outcry from gamers has definitely been vocal and the execs of Bioware would be fucking morons if they tried to pull the same kind of deception again on another game. But as far as ME3 goes, outside of a massive mod by the community, I don't think you're going to get any better than the "epilogue videos" that they've promised to release sometime this summer.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on April 14, 2012, 12:11:11 am
I partially agree with the BBB, but only to a certain extent. I don't think that going to court over this is going to accomplish anything. Does that guy really think Bioware's going to lose in court, issue an apology, and then keel to the gamers' demands for a "better" ending, after spending money on defending themselves? I don't think this is a harmful false advertising that warrants such a suit. It's not like your quality of life was significantly lessened because of this game's ending. I can see how it would definitely be a disappointment, but it's not worth exploiting every loophole to get Bioware to go back on their decisions. I personally consider video games to be a form of storytelling and art, so in my opinion the creative team should have the artistic license to do what they want, even if it's not what the public wants.

I agree with the last line after everything is said and done.  I may of not liked the ending but I've already jumped off this sinking ship and personally blacklisted Bioware.  It would take a lot of good will from them to get me back as a customer but I know I am not a alone in this. They can keep their artistic vision and we the customers will just decide with our money when they try to release another game.

I think Bioware screwed this one up but they've made many other great games with epic stories as well. The feedback they receive should be to encourage them to make more of the good stuff instead of suddenly singling them out as irredeemable for one bad apple. The outcry from gamers has definitely been vocal and the execs of Bioware would be fucking morons if they tried to pull the same kind of deception again on another game. But as far as ME3 goes, outside of a massive mod by the community, I don't think you're going to get any better than the "epilogue videos" that they've promised to release sometime this summer.

But it isn't just one bad apple.  This is strike 3.  Strike 1 being DA2, Strike 2 being Star Wars TOR, and now ME3.  All of those 3 of those failed to live up to what Bioware use to be known for. Quality story telling and quality games.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Cloud3514 on April 14, 2012, 02:59:30 am
As someone who is sick and fucking tired of the soap opera that is the Mass Effect 3 ending, how many games have you played with a terrible ending? How many of those did you cry to the BBB for? Here's a great example: Knights of the Old Republic 2. The game was released unfinished. It had quests that had no end and had an entire fucking section of the game cut out because they couldn't finish it on time. It literally had no proper ending and what semblance of an ending there was was filled with plot holes, confusing nonsense that had no lead up or resolution and made absolutely no goddamn sense. Did that invalidate the entire game? No, it did not. The game was otherwise great. No one bitched to the BBB for it. They saw the "ending" and complained, but didn't try to get legal action brought down on Obsidian or Lucas Arts. Even if Mass Effect 3's ending is technically false advertising (and I really don't think it is), the ending does not invalidate what is otherwise considered a great game. Since when has gaming become about nothing but the destination? Why do people complain about 4 hour single player campaigns if they're going to think the ending the is the only thing that matters?

Here's another example: Final Fantasy VII. One of the most popular RPGs ever made (though I'm more fond of FFIX) and the most popular entry in the Final Fantasy series and the ending was terrible. After you defeat Sephiroth, you watch as Meteor enters the planet's atmosphere and nearly lands on Midgar. Holy fails to stop it and the Lifestream bursts out of the planet and meets Meteor. Cut to black. Skip forward an unknown number of years and now Red XIII and two younger members of his species (note that he was supposed to be the last of his kind) are running through a valley and jump on a cliff. Red XIII roars and the camera pans to show the ruins of Midgar. Ok, that was ambiguous and at the time no one would have expected a sequel would be made that would clarify it (and even then, it was still almost a decade before Advent Children was released). The ending was terrible, but the other 35+ hours of the game were great. Does the ending invalidate it? No. Did people bitch to the BBB because of it? No. The Mass Effect controversy is a soap opera of epic proportions and I am fucking sick of hearing about it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 14, 2012, 03:14:07 am
And Waldorf hit the nail on the head so hard that all of the other nails drove themselves into place in fear.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 14, 2012, 03:15:50 am
As someone who is sick and fucking tired of the soap opera that is the Mass Effect 3 ending, how many games have you played with a terrible ending? How many of those did you cry to the BBB for? Here's a great example: Knights of the Old Republic 2. The game was released unfinished. It had quests that had no end and had an entire fucking section of the game cut out because they couldn't finish it on time. It literally had no proper ending and what semblance of an ending there was was filled with plot holes, confusing nonsense that had no lead up or resolution and made absolutely no goddamn sense. Did that invalidate the entire game? No, it did not. The game was otherwise great. No one bitched to the BBB for it. They saw the "ending" and complained, but didn't try to get legal action brought down on Obsidian or Lucas Arts. Even if Mass Effect 3's ending is technically false advertising (and I really don't think it is), the ending does not invalidate what is otherwise considered a great game. Since when has gaming become about nothing but the destination? Why do people complain about 4 hour single player campaigns if they're going to think the ending the is the only thing that matters?

Here's another example: Final Fantasy VII. One of the most popular RPGs ever made (though I'm more fond of FFIX) and the most popular entry in the Final Fantasy series and the ending was terrible. After you defeat Sephiroth, you watch as Meteor enters the planet's atmosphere and nearly lands on Midgar. Holy fails to stop it and the Lifestream bursts out of the planet and meets Meteor. Cut to black. Skip forward an unknown number of years and now Red XIII and two younger members of his species (note that he was supposed to be the last of his kind) are running through a valley and jump on a cliff. Red XIII roars and the camera pans to show the ruins of Midgar. Ok, that was ambiguous and at the time no one would have expected a sequel would be made that would clarify it (and even then, it was still almost a decade before Advent Children was released). The ending was terrible, but the other 35+ hours of the game were great. Does the ending invalidate it? No. Did people bitch to the BBB because of it? No. The Mass Effect controversy is a soap opera of epic proportions and I am fucking sick of hearing about it.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 14, 2012, 06:26:50 am
Actually the entire KOTOR 2 was awful, but at least it just ending after you dropped Kreia.  No screwy weird scenes dragging to the end, you just jumped in your ship and took off.  I'll take that anyday over ME3's ending.

Anyway, as I said, I love the game itself, though I wish they could release something that'd allow you to skip all cutscenes, especially the dream ones.  It'd make replays a lot more fun.

And speaking of replays, I'm running through with my Sentinel, and I have to say, I love Overload!  Even if the opponent isn't shielded, he gets stunned for a few seconds, allowing easier kills.  At a Cerberus lab, I stunned some rocket-soldiers as they landed on the platform, and the stumbled and fell right off.  This is better than Stasis, Singularity, and Warp combined! 

Also, I got a Mailslot by firing my sniper rifle through smoke and hitting the guy . . . with a Viper . . . without using the scope.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on April 14, 2012, 07:19:24 am
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But it isn't just one bad apple.  This is strike 3.  Strike 1 being DA2, Strike 2 being Star Wars TOR, and now ME3.  All of those 3 of those failed to live up to what Bioware use to be known for. Quality story telling and quality games.

Not to get all tinfoil-hat in here, but I personally blame EA. Bioware pretty much exists in name only. They've essentially become EA's RPG division.

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Here's a great example: Knights of the Old Republic 2. The game was released unfinished. It had quests that had no end and had an entire fucking section of the game cut out because they couldn't finish it on time. It literally had no proper ending and what semblance of an ending there was was filled with plot holes, confusing nonsense that had no lead up or resolution and made absolutely no goddamn sense.

KOTOR II was eventually fixed, so that's kind of a moot point (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/10/after-four-years-volunteers-restore-missing-kotor-ii-data.ars)

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How many of those did you cry to the BBB for?

You're talking to the wrong person. Go talk to the people who actually did that and ask them. Neither I, nor anybody else here ever advocated such a thing.

Regardless, are you forgetting that the BBB apparently thinks that these complainers are right?

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Since when has gaming become about nothing but the destination?

When the destination is so shitty that you wished you never made the journey, and never intend on doing so again. The journey that you happened to spend 90+ hours and 150+ dollars to make.

I had originally planned to replay the series as a different character. Not anymore. The ending of that game has completely destroyed my desire play any Mass Effect game ever again.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 14, 2012, 04:35:43 pm
Wait... what? any Mass Effect game? Are you kidding me right now? You're kidding right? I knew people were doing this but to see someone plainly admit it? Damn, son. I might as well not re-read Harry Potter because the ending was so terrible to me. I might as well not rewatch Buffy cause it was an uninspired ending.

I'm on my uh... 6th playthrough in ME3 after fixing shit I did in ME1 and ME2. And I'm doing things differently. Doing things right. I'm going to broker peace where I failed. And I'm going to fucking enjoy it.

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0fobscqRA1qcskjc.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on April 14, 2012, 05:00:14 pm
Once again, Shane, you are projecting your own views on others. That you enjoy the games as they are is awesome... FOR YOU. Please, please and please NEVER again try to project your own feelings on others.

Oh and while people are ignoring my previous post, I hope they consider what their stance on the issue of evaluation, payment and satisfaction is.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 14, 2012, 06:56:18 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyaTNFrxkh8
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 14, 2012, 09:39:55 pm
Once again, Shane, you are projecting your own views on others. That you enjoy the games as they are is awesome... FOR YOU. Please, please and please NEVER again try to project your own feelings on others.

Oh and while people are ignoring my previous post, I hope they consider what their stance on the issue of evaluation, payment and satisfaction is.

...Do you even know what projecting is!?

Projecting is accusing someone of something you are doing as if you weren't doing it, or assuming that they'd follow the same patterns you would.

All Shane did was state his opinion and what he was doing.

Seriously.  Maybe YOU should stop projecting.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on April 14, 2012, 10:41:45 pm
@zachsky,

Do you sincerely think that Shane's post was just an opinion and was not a an imposition of an opinion? (While to project doesn't mean what you think it means, it indeed is not quite what I meant to say. Instead of "to ascribe one's own feelings/ideas/etc. on another" I meant to say to impose one's feelings on another).

Or maybe I am indeed misunderstanding when reading Shane's post. Even though I can't see how it can be interpreted any other way but a ridicule of VirtualStranger's opinion. Especially with a line like: "I knew people were doing this but to see someone plainly admit it?"
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Cloud3514 on April 14, 2012, 10:55:08 pm
KOTOR II was eventually fixed, so that's kind of a moot point (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/10/after-four-years-volunteers-restore-missing-kotor-ii-data.ars)

First, that patch was fan made, second, it doesn't restore everything and third, it still took them years to do it (fourth, I still love that mod and everything it does). There was no guarantee that it would have been done, just as I said with the Final Fantasy VII example.

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You're talking to the wrong person. Go talk to the people who actually did that and ask them. Neither I, nor anybody else here ever advocated such a thing.

Regardless, are you forgetting that the BBB apparently thinks that these complainers are right?

First, I think its fucking stupid that the BBB agrees with them as the bad ending doesn't make the impact your decisions have throughout the game go away. Second, way to miss my point.

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When the destination is so shitty that you wished you never made the journey, and never intend on doing so again. The journey that you happened to spend 90+ hours and 150+ dollars to make.

I had originally planned to replay the series as a different character. Not anymore. The ending of that game has completely destroyed my desire play any Mass Effect game ever again.

So a poor 15 minutes is enough to invalidate not just one, but THREE games? Bullshit. Its a bad ending, that's all. If you enjoyed the other 40+ hours of the game, plus the 80+ hours of the last two games, how does the last 15 minutes invalidate the rest of it?

That's my point. You enjoyed the whole thing up to this point, so why does a bad ending ruin it? And if it somehow does, well, if you're someone who complains when a game has a 3-5 hour campaign, stop. If a bad ending is going to make 90+ hours of enjoyment worthless, then you should love 3-5 hour campaigns because, at most, you've wasted an afternoon.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 14, 2012, 11:35:07 pm
@zachsky,

Do you sincerely think that Shane's post was just an opinion and was not a an imposition of an opinion? (While to project doesn't mean what you think it means, it indeed is not quite what I meant to say. Instead of "to ascribe one's own feelings/ideas/etc. on another" I meant to say to impose one's feelings on another).

Or maybe I am indeed misunderstanding when reading Shane's post. Even though I can't see how it can be interpreted any other way but a ridicule of VirtualStranger's opinion. Especially with a line like: "I knew people were doing this but to see someone plainly admit it?"

It is NOT an imposition of opinion to have an opinion, even a derogatory one, of another person's opinion.

What IS an imposition of opinion is to tell another person that they should be quiet because their opinion isn't something you like.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 15, 2012, 12:09:01 am
(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m29qg16JQw1r4teoho7_r4_500.gif)

Something maybe spoiler-y about what happens to your ME 1 and 2 companions in ME3:

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Heretek on April 15, 2012, 12:52:12 am
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Jacob -> Jacob

I won't lie, I lol'd.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 15, 2012, 07:25:34 am
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He's my favorite supporting character for so many reasons.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 15, 2012, 12:21:33 pm
This cracks me up every time I read it, in the Broker Terminal:

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 15, 2012, 09:46:43 pm
@Vyper

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 16, 2012, 06:07:54 am
Probably.  I just think it's funny that this soldier felt he would never live down shooting at something they had been at war with not long ago. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 16, 2012, 07:48:57 am
True enough. That would be odd. But then again, in my headcanon Ash apologized to Garrus and vice versa for Shanxi.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 16, 2012, 07:57:36 am
That would've been a cool scene. 

Speaking of Ash, my fem-Sentinel is only a few scenes away from finally romancing the hot warrior poet.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 16, 2012, 08:55:11 am
I didn't know you could romance Ash as FemShep in ME3 o.o
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Distind on April 16, 2012, 01:51:16 pm
I'm on my uh... 6th playthrough in ME3 after fixing shit I did in ME1 and ME2. And I'm doing things differently. Doing things right. I'm going to broker peace where I failed. And I'm going to fucking enjoy it.

Honestly that's part of my problem. My reaction to the ending when I saw it was so visceral just because of how satisfying saving the fucking galaxy had been up to that point.

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It comes down as much about why you play the games as much as anything else. I enjoyed quite a few hours, and that's it at this point.

As for the bbb bit, if I'd known the ending prior, I'd probably have waited for the game to go on discount, instead I bought the collectors edition of it on release to see the end of all the decisions I'd made. Decisions they'd implied would matter. Including specific numbers that were blatant lies.

Lastly, Romance Ash? Why? There are so many better options! Particularly options that don't accuse you of treason on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 16, 2012, 02:45:53 pm
...Uhm. No she didn't.

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On the other hand, I romanced Liara simply because she seemed most viable for me and my femshep. Everyone else had hangups I couldn't get past. Tho I did romance Traynor in my first playthru of ME3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on April 16, 2012, 05:19:58 pm
Anyone else having problems with their ME3 game assuming you downloaded the free multiplayer map pack?  Mine likes to crash/freeze up a lot more now and I get dropped from multiplayer games a lot more.  (I know this is a known issue - http://www.gamingbus.com/2012/04/13/latest-patch-mass-effect-3-causing-widespread-crashes/ (http://www.gamingbus.com/2012/04/13/latest-patch-mass-effect-3-causing-widespread-crashes/))  I was just curious if anyone here has been experiencing it as well?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 16, 2012, 06:00:11 pm
I like (read:  cartoon crush) Ashley because she's a kick-*** fighter who also loves poetry, along with her sarcastic personality and quick wit.  The fact that she's hot doesn't hurt to much either.

I read that both Ash and Kaiden can be romanced by males or females, and when Kaiden told my male Adept that he felt a 'connection,' I figured the same would be tru of Ash.  We'll find out shortly.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 17, 2012, 02:23:00 am
I like Ash cause I needed another female on board who wasn't trying to get into my pants. (Read: Traynor and Liara) Amongst other things. Like Shep said in ME1, if she needs someone to come to about matters of the heart, she goes to Ash. Add to that her quick trust and the fact that she doesn't hero-worship like other crew members... Well.

Plus, I feel like she and my FemShep are sisters. Not that Ash apparently needs more sisters.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on April 17, 2012, 04:28:49 am
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I read that both Ash and Kaiden can be romanced by males or females, and when Kaiden told my male Adept that he felt a 'connection,' I figured the same would be tru of Ash.  We'll find out shortly.

You can't. Ashley is male-only. (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Romance)

All romance options:

Ashley - Male
Kaiden - Female(1) Both(3)
Liara - Both
Miranda - Male
Jacob - Female
Tali - Male
Garrus - Female
Jack - Male
Thane - Female
Kelly* - Both
Steve Cortez - Male
Samantha Traynor - Female
Diana Allers* - Both

*Kelly and Diana are not considered full romance options, and they do not give you the Paramour achievement.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 17, 2012, 06:45:36 am
In other words, they lied AGAIN!  They said both Ash and Kaiden would be available for both genders.  And I was setting everything up in the first two games (avoiding relationships, being Really nice to Ash) so my femshep could get her in 3). 

Well it just gives me another reason to hate Kaiden.  I need to shoot him in a future game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 17, 2012, 06:51:22 am
I never heard anything about you being able to romance Ash as Femshep. Simply that you'd get more out of romancing Liara and that you'd have another 'yeoman' to woo (Traynor). I've looked at the ME wikia and they didn't even have speculation on FemShep/Ash. EDIT- however you can save file edit on the PC to make FemShep/Ash viable. There is a plethora of proof of this all over the place.

Also that Bro Shep was going to get some same-sex choices now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on April 17, 2012, 07:09:10 am
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I read that both Ash and Kaiden can be romanced by males or females, and when Kaiden told my male Adept that he felt a 'connection,' I figured the same would be tru of Ash.  We'll find out shortly.

You can't. Ashley is male-only. (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Romance)

All romance options:

Ashley - Male
Kaiden - Female(1) Both(3)
Liara - Both
Miranda - Male
Jacob - Female
Tali - Male
Garrus - Female
Jack - Male
Thane - Female
Kelly* - Both
Steve Cortez - Male
Samantha Traynor - Female
Diana Allers* - Both

*Kelly and Diana are not considered full romance options, and they do not give you the Paramour achievement.

In other words, they lied AGAIN!  They said both Ash and Kaiden would be available for both genders.  And I was setting everything up in the first two games (avoiding relationships, being Really nice to Ash) so my femshep could get her in 3). 

Well it just gives me another reason to hate Kaiden.  I need to shoot him in a future game.

They never stated that Ashley was a s/s option. Unlike Dragon Age 2, each character has a strictly defined orientation. Kaidan's was changed to make up for the lack of male s/s options in the previous 2 games.

In unrelated news:

Hello, I'm Commander Shepard, and I take showers with my clothes on.
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKD-f3gJynM)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 17, 2012, 07:20:52 am
I know I saw it somewhere, they mentioned both Kaiden and Ashley.  I just can't remember where, and of course I can't find it.  Maybe it was just a rumor, but it still p****es me off since I was looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 17, 2012, 07:29:10 am
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I read that both Ash and Kaiden can be romanced by males or females, and when Kaiden told my male Adept that he felt a 'connection,' I figured the same would be tru of Ash.  We'll find out shortly.

You can't. Ashley is male-only. (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Romance)

All romance options:

Ashley - Male
Kaiden - Female(1) Both(3)
Liara - Both
Miranda - Male
Jacob - Female
Tali - Male
Garrus - Female
Jack - Male
Thane - Female
Kelly* - Both
Steve Cortez - Male
Samantha Traynor - Female
Diana Allers* - Both

*Kelly and Diana are not considered full romance options, and they do not give you the Paramour achievement.

In other words, they lied AGAIN!  They said both Ash and Kaiden would be available for both genders.  And I was setting everything up in the first two games (avoiding relationships, being Really nice to Ash) so my femshep could get her in 3). 

Well it just gives me another reason to hate Kaiden.  I need to shoot him in a future game.

They never stated that Ashley was a s/s option. Unlike Dragon Age 2, each character has a strictly defined orientation. Kaidan's was changed to make up for the lack of male s/s options in the previous 2 games.

In unrelated news:

Hello, I'm Commander Shepard, and I take showers with my clothes on.

 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKD-f3gJynM)

lol well. It was either that or crafty camera angles.

EDIT- I wrote a thing about my companions through the trilogy: Spoilers spoilers everywhere though, so be aware (http://shane-for-wax.tumblr.com/post/21265836409/my-thoughts-on-me3-and-what-happened-to-your-companions).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 17, 2012, 06:57:02 pm
In other words, they lied AGAIN!  They said both Ash and Kaiden would be available for both genders.  And I was setting everything up in the first two games (avoiding relationships, being Really nice to Ash) so my femshep could get her in 3). 

Well it just gives me another reason to hate Kaiden.  I need to shoot him in a future game.

Oh HAI guys, just a friendly reminder that Bioware is so internally fucked up that one department does not know what another is doing. Thus, are forcing the PR department lie to our faces about everything!

Examples: WARGARBLE straight from the community manager at Bioware!

Relay? Wut relay?
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180504176068014081 (https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180504176068014081)

Two moons, kind of like FemShep.
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180510042385162241 (https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180510042385162241)

Indoctrinate theory ahoy!
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180524564542009345 (https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180524564542009345)

Everyone will meet up with Shepard again...somehow.
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180488192506605570 (https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180488192506605570)

Star child is a lying bastard! HAI guys, remember how the destroy ending does not kill EDI? LOL PLOT HOLE!
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180492732215734272 (https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180492732215734272)

LOL I MADE EVERYTHING UP! U MAD? "I'm not a developer & no one should take me for one. These are my thoughts and no one told me to say them. Hope that helps."
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180519075091464193 (https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180519075091464193)


Of course try to stay on the light side of things:

Every day I’m shufflin’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaQvLE4TCms


Hemorrhoids: THIS HURTS YOU!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0Rl16elKo
 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 17, 2012, 07:47:51 pm
It's not the community manager. Don't push false or misleading information. It's a community manager. And they normally do things like police the forums, anyways.

As someone who was a community manager I will say upfront: WE NEVER KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPERS/WRITERS/WHATEVER ARE DOING! We pass along information, we police the community, we make sure we get people to the right employees for questions, we broadcast things important to the community like events. But we rarely if ever know what goes on in development. And sometimes we do indeed make a mistake. A mistake we were fed by our superiors, most often. Or mistakes are made because we use what we have available and are told to basically decode it.

You want someone with a better idea of what's going on? Check Chris Priestly. Since he's the one actually at the studio ME3 was made. Since he's the one with the specific Mass Effect duties.

Also, I brokered peace between the quarians and the geth. Damn, I'm good. Or... Renegade. Since that's the option I used.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 17, 2012, 10:15:11 pm
It's not the community manager. Don't push false or misleading information. It's a community manager. And they normally do things like police the forums, anyways.

As someone who was a community manager I will say upfront: WE NEVER KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPERS/WRITERS/WHATEVER ARE DOING! We pass along information, we police the community, we make sure we get people to the right employees for questions, we broadcast things important to the community like events. But we rarely if ever know what goes on in development. And sometimes we do indeed make a mistake. A mistake we were fed by our superiors, most often. Or mistakes are made because we use what we have available and are told to basically decode it.

Wow, oh wow. In general, they have you guys doing PR and yet you are not trained to handle such. What could possibly go wrong?



You want someone with a better idea of what's going on? Check Chris Priestly. Since he's the one actually at the studio ME3 was made. Since he's the one with the specific Mass Effect duties.

Patrick Weekes tries to explain the ending.

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-Did anyone on the Citadel survive?

Yes. We would never, ever do anything that made the player feel, on replay, that it would be better for everyone on the Citadel if they just died. The Citadel has emergency shelters and kinetic barriers - even if it blows up, millions might survive. You should assume that everyone plot-important on the Citadel survived.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 17, 2012, 11:30:16 pm
http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=Z6v3PK88ZOM&start1=0&video2=rm82gjZDIDU&start2=0&authorName=NebulaCity (http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=Z6v3PK88ZOM&start1=0&video2=rm82gjZDIDU&start2=0&authorName=NebulaCity)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm82gjZDIDU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm82gjZDIDU)

AHAHAHAHAHA Bioware ripped off Wintersun - Starchild cover art. Good lordy, it even changes colors from red to green to blue. AHAHAHAHA. Artistic integrity at its finest! Also a total of 16 colors! AHAHAHA. Two moons too! AHAHAHA. To top it off it even sounds like a vorcha is singing it.

Also look at the lyrics. Wow.
http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/wintersun/wintersun.html#6 (http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/wintersun/wintersun.html#6)



A few funny things were brought up about the “stargazer” in the ending.  Look at the proportions of the child compared to the adult figures, notice something odd? The Something Awful Goons, NeoGaf, Bioware Forum goers are claiming that the proportions are off and both the adult and child are the same model but re-sized.


Also what the hell kind of story is Mass Effect for some little kid? Well, ok it can’t hold a candle to certain religious texts. Or maybe Grim, maybe.

Source for the below:
http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/11247275/2 (http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/11247275/2)

"And then Shepard shot Mordin in the back."
"WHAAAAAAAT?"
"It's true, my sweet. Oh, but Mordin wasn't quite dead. He painfully crawled his bloody body along the ground and..."

"And then Shepard decided to maroon Ashley."
"But Grandpa, didn't he want to marry her? He was looking at her all lovey-eyed and all!"
"Sure did, my dear. But she was a xenophobic b***h, and besides, Kaidan later put out, so it was alright."


"Grandpa, why was Aria the queen of Omega?"
"Because nobody ****s with Aria, my sweet".
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 18, 2012, 02:38:18 am
It's not the community manager. Don't push false or misleading information. It's a community manager. And they normally do things like police the forums, anyways.

As someone who was a community manager I will say upfront: WE NEVER KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPERS/WRITERS/WHATEVER ARE DOING! We pass along information, we police the community, we make sure we get people to the right employees for questions, we broadcast things important to the community like events. But we rarely if ever know what goes on in development. And sometimes we do indeed make a mistake. A mistake we were fed by our superiors, most often. Or mistakes are made because we use what we have available and are told to basically decode it.

Wow, oh wow. In general, they have you guys doing PR and yet you are not trained to handle such. What could possibly go wrong?

Who said anything about not having the training? There's a difference between having to handle what we're given and not knowing how. But it's whatever.

Quote
You want someone with a better idea of what's going on? Check Chris Priestly. Since he's the one actually at the studio ME3 was made. Since he's the one with the specific Mass Effect duties.

Patrick Weekes tries to explain the ending.

What does that have to do with what I said?

Re: Citadel- I am quite sure the Citadel's arms have emergency propulsion systems to prevent such crashing. Hell, lots of things are floating above our little planet.

I think people are now desperate to make the ending seem even worse.

Re: Ashley- I'll let her speak for herself
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1hmm9th8b1rqkwtto1_500.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/HVI0R.png)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 18, 2012, 04:57:05 pm
It's not the community manager. Don't push false or misleading information. It's a community manager. And they normally do things like police the forums, anyways.

As someone who was a community manager I will say upfront: WE NEVER KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPERS/WRITERS/WHATEVER ARE DOING! We pass along information, we police the community, we make sure we get people to the right employees for questions, we broadcast things important to the community like events. But we rarely if ever know what goes on in development. And sometimes we do indeed make a mistake. A mistake we were fed by our superiors, most often. Or mistakes are made because we use what we have available and are told to basically decode it.

Wow, oh wow. In general, they have you guys doing PR and yet you are not trained to handle such. What could possibly go wrong?

Who said anything about not having the training? There's a difference between having to handle what we're given and not knowing how. But it's whatever.

Is this correct, as a community manager you are put in a position to represent a company and explain their actions to an audience? If so, what is the training required to become a community manager?

I have been given the impression that community managers are the “fall guys” of sorts, a means to absorb audience hostility. Being given no info and forced to make stuff up always leads to the audience challenging your integrity. As discrepancies between what is stated by a community manager and what is planned is to be expected. Thus there is a disconnect between different groups in a company.




What does that have to do with what I said?

Re: Citadel- I am quite sure the Citadel's arms have emergency propulsion systems to prevent such crashing. Hell, lots of things are floating above our little planet.

I think people are now desperate to make the ending seem even worse.

Please do not try to claim that dreadnaughts, Reapers or the multitrillion ton arms of the Citadel as small, they are not.

Because Patrick Weekes is a writer for Bioware, not a community manager, who is fielding questions to try and justify the ending. Good luck with that train wreck. If find it funny that he also has to ignore the cinematics of the relays exploding (complete with debris too!).

And everyone forgets about the Destroy ending. Yay it destroys the Reapers (complete with the star child shorting out), but, the Reapers had all civilizations use their technology.

This includes:

This has gotten to the point that is not about if Bioware botched the writing, its about just how badly they botched it. Grab a popcorn, a tasty beverage and watch the train wreck.


Re: Ashley- I'll let her speak for herself
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1hmm9th8b1rqkwtto1_500.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/HVI0R.png)

Ashely has noting to do with the topic at hand.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 18, 2012, 10:17:06 pm
You mentioned her being xenophobic, thus you brought her into it in your sarcasm.

No, I'm not saying they're small, I'm saying there are most likely ways to prevent such catastrophes as are being presented here. And that they could most likely float near Earth but not exactly crash into it. All I'm saying. I'm also saying people are now scrambling to make things look even worse. Conjuring up things that depend a lot on your own actions and your own experiences throughout the trilogy.

As for the training for community managers, it differs from company to company. I was taught how to speak, how to get the information out there, I was taught what things to pass on (since I only handled part of things. I was dealing with a specific console, while I had other community managers do the others).

Though I'm curious by your remarks about Stargazer and whether or not you actually played previous games. Since 2/3 of what you said are dependent on having played 1 and 2 to get a different show of things as well as once again your own fucking actions.

I am doing another Insanity run on level 60 with better weapons and better strategies. I'm doing better, I think. Since I'm choosing a better team to fit my character not just based on unique dialogue. I am dreading the later levels tho.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 19, 2012, 01:31:06 am
You mentioned her being xenophobic, thus you brought her into it in your sarcasm.

Actually those quotes are not mine, laziness on my part, the were lifted form the Bioware forums as a part of a joke. Simply put any quote into Google and you will find the source.

Source:
http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/11247275/2 (http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/11247275/2)



No, I'm not saying they're small, I'm saying there are most likely ways to prevent such catastrophes as are being presented here. And that they could most likely float near Earth but not exactly crash into it. All I'm saying.

This is starting to sound like denial, I like that. All the excuses in the world will not make a difference because Bioware will ignore them. Ask the Indoct theorists about that.

Let’s bleed this a little more, it’s fun!



I'm also saying people are now scrambling to make things look even worse. Conjuring up things that depend a lot on your own actions and your own experiences throughout the trilogy.

Bioware actually has to address info and context they put forth via the codex and how it applies to the endings, for all endings. Fret not though, I fully expect them to start retconning ("clarifying") or just outright ignore everything as an attempt to fixfic the ending.


Though I'm curious by your remarks about Stargazer and whether or not you actually played previous games.

Stargazer gives me the impression of being a rushed, blatant ripoff due to time constraints. It’s sad too because they got Buzz Aldrin to do a voiceover.

Mass Effect 3 needed another year or two in development. Hell even the poor mapping and collision/clipping problems in the Normandy are further evident of this. It is even possible to combat roll off a ladder in certain missions which breaks spawn points (no enemies spawn, can’t save).

Here is an example (I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite glitch on the Normandy SR2)
PC version of Mass Effect 3, walk (hold Ctrl) onto the floor panel near EDI. Suddenly you are stuck! Mose effective if you enter the panel according to the angle presented in the picture below.

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For debugging the following are the raw coordinates give via Gibbed's save editor.
X 106.506813
Y -1786.05518
Z 187.8289


I have played the games and delved into modding and console related stuff. I still remember the old but good stuff such as X_WAmmo_Harpoon and how to modify the supergun / superarmor commands for giggles. But the ending controversy and the info related tops everything else. It’s funny, as in tragic funny.


Since 2/3 of what you said are dependent on having played 1 and 2 to get a different show of things as well as once again your own fucking actions.

Aarrggg this reminds me of all the times I have to use one of the fan made save editors (Gibbed versions) to set flags and bool values because save files are never imported correctly from game to game. Bioware even put in a reference to this in ME3 via Conrad apologizing for accusing Shepard for pointing a gun in his face!

NEVAR FORGET!
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9808/rbgchoices.png)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 19, 2012, 01:48:58 am
Get over it already.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 19, 2012, 01:59:05 am
Get over it already.

[sarcasm]But..but..but who will keep up the stereotype that gamers have no lives![/sarcasm]

On a more serious note, people bought a product only to be shafted. Have a little heart please.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 19, 2012, 02:02:51 am
You know what? I reiterate:

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1b0n2mVX31qkgl2co2_250.gif)

As per usual, it's clear to me you don't want to see other sides. You don't want to see anything. You don't want to listen. You're just like Councilor Sparatus, that fucking turian councilor. You will not, cannot, do not want to see anything besides what you have stuck in your noggin. Anything that goes against that you toss away. Anything I say is like the geth threat, or the Reapers.

You know what? I've looked at things from the other side. I can see why people would be upset. I get it. I understand. But people have gone far beyond upset to being downright despicable and putting their fingers in their ears or attacking people who don't find too much fault with the endings. Don't believe me? Check the bioware forums. There are a few threads where people have mentioned casually how they are okay with the endings and then you have dozens of people jumping on them, calling them an apologist, a troll, a moron, a fool, a shill for Bioware.

You say I'm in denial, but perhaps those who are so mouthy and rude about the endings are the ones in denial. Denial that it's over maybe? Denial that they didn't control the writing process? Denial that, regardless of anything, there was no way to account for everyone's views on how it should end? Denial that at the end of the day you can shape what you have into what you want and nobody needs to provide it for you? Denial that things aren't as bad as they seem?

Disappointment is when an author ends a story in a way you deem unsatisfying. Criticism is telling them as much. Entitlement is believing they owe you a new one.

So keep your Sparatus ideals. Keep your Sparatus mindset. Summer is coming and damn if people aren't going to bitch even harder because once again they are not in control of the writing process.

I'm sick, I'm tired. I'm disgusted by how people are acting. I'm not telling anyone not to be upset. I'm stating that perhaps there are better ways to do things, there is a better mindset? It has to be exhausting to be so angry and offended by something like this.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 19, 2012, 02:08:32 am
On a more serious note, people bought a product only to be shafted. Have a little heart please.

I would have a heart about the issue if PEOPLE WOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP WHINING ABOUT IT.

As it stands, the whiners get absolutely no sympathy for me because of their incessant whining, their damn martyr complexes, and the fact that they will shout down anyone who disagrees with them about Mass Effect 3's ending.

For fuck's sake.  GROW UP!

Most of you are adults, NOW START ACTING LIKE ADULTS.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 19, 2012, 02:35:04 am
Lots of serious business up in this thread.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 19, 2012, 02:55:18 am
Let's fix that:

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Spoilers for ME3:
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Did I post this one?

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FemShep:“Zaeed… what… what are you doing?”
Zaeed: “Knittin’ a guddamn sweater, what’s it look like?”
“…It’s pink.”
“It means you’re a tough sonuvabitch if you can stand to wear it.”
“It’s… in your size.”
“Then I’m a tough sonuvabitch, aren’t I?”
“I can’t and won’t argue that, Massani.”
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 19, 2012, 05:34:19 pm
Warning: smoking may cause huskification.

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1482/sssssmokin.jpg)


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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Heretek on April 20, 2012, 02:23:26 am
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Now I need to play through from the beginning again...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 20, 2012, 04:21:17 am
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Now I need to play through from the beginning again...

That's the spirit! :D Beginning as in ME1? It'll be odd doing that, let me tell you. The combat system is so different.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Heretek on April 20, 2012, 04:32:39 am
Yeah, going to be awesome driving that bloody tank around again.  ::)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 20, 2012, 05:26:41 am
Shepard: *climbs into the tank on an alien planet*
Liara: Garrus, what is wrong?
Garrus: Mmph... you'll see...

*10 minutes later, they somehow launched onto the nearby moon of the planet they started in, upside-down and wedged inbetween two rocks*

Liara: YOU WERE DRIVING ACROSS A FLAT PLAIN.  HOW DID YOU DO THIS!?   HOWWW!?!?!?!?
Shepard: *shrugs*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 20, 2012, 05:36:47 am
Speaking of adventures with vehicles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rteUvbKFbnw
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on April 21, 2012, 04:34:10 am
Wait a minute...

In the Arrival DLC, it's stated that the energy created by the destruction of a mass relay is powerful enough to destroy an entire solar system.

The entire reason that you were grounded at the beginning of ME3 is because you killed all of the 300,000 Batarians that were in the Bahak system, which was threatening to cause a major political incident had the Reapers not shown up.

ME3 ends with the destruction of every mess relay in the galaxy.

So, not only is the relay network and the Citadel destroyed, long-distance space travel and communication rendered technologically impossible, galactic civilization crippled, and the main military force of just about every major sentient species permanently trapped in the Sol system above a ruined earth, but now EVERY MAJOR SOLAR SYSTEM HAS BEEN WIPED OUT AND EVERYONE IS FUCKING DEAD.

All because Shepard wouldn't tell that kid to fuck off.

ARTISTIC INTEGRITY
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 21, 2012, 02:58:10 pm
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In other news, a Bioware employee has mentioned he wants to actually read the fanfiction I've been writing because he's been following my little updates. Queue me blushing intensely and fangirl squealing. But FF.net is a major turd and won't let me post anything for another day or so. :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 21, 2012, 03:09:49 pm
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Now I need to play through from the beginning again...

There should be more gamers like you. Because really, when you get right down to it, was ME3 as a whole really that bad? Discounting the ending, did you enjoy it? Was it a fun game? Did you connect with the characters? Was the gameplay fluid? Those are the important things. A five-minute cut-scene tacked on to the end of the game... that is not an important thing. IMHO the people who are bitching and moaning about the ending should start looking at the many good points of the game, which far outnumber the bad points. Besides, there's always imagination, so you can just retcon the parts you don't like out of your head. Fanfic writers do that all the time. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 21, 2012, 03:11:27 pm
Yeah, it's called headcanon and I've already seen a few people mention how they've changed it for their own canon ideas. :D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 21, 2012, 03:40:42 pm
I'm one of those who hate the ending, but I respect the views of others who like it.  That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.  What annoys me are people on both sides saying, "You like the ending?  You're a tool!  You hate it?  You're just b*tching and moaning!"  These aren't people who complain about every little thing (Well some might but not ever single person does).  These are people who ALL loved the previous games but either felt let down or fulfilled.  And they're both huge, mixed groups, not just a few random trolls. 

To call out an entire group based on their thoughts is not only stupid; it's annoying as hell.  People who do that sound about as bad as the fundies on the main page.

Yes I like the game, but I dislike a number of things about it, including the ending.  I wish you could have the game just end after the final battle.  I also hate the unskippable cutscenes (including the dream sequences), which are making replays harder and harder for me.  And I hate Kaiden with a passion and would gladly accept the ending if I could just get the chance to gun him down with the Cain while saying, "Die, ******!"

But those are just my views.  If you disagree, fine, I respect your thoughts. 

I'm just finding these back and forth naming calling to be as annoying as the ending itself.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 21, 2012, 07:42:17 pm
I understand feeling let down.  I can respect that.  I'm not saying you can't feel let down.

But to be honest, there's so many people that are throwing a tantrum over this issue, whining about it every where they have a voice.  They also act like the entire series is ruined forever.  They also happen to be the loudest voice.

These people are the ones I don't like.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 22, 2012, 01:26:44 am
I'm one of those who hate the ending, but I respect the views of others who like it.  That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.  What annoys me are people on both sides saying, "You like the ending?  You're a tool!  You hate it?  You're just b*tching and moaning!"  These aren't people who complain about every little thing (Well some might but not ever single person does).  These are people who ALL loved the previous games but either felt let down or fulfilled.  And they're both huge, mixed groups, not just a few random trolls. 

To call out an entire group based on their thoughts is not only stupid; it's annoying as hell.  People who do that sound about as bad as the fundies on the main page.

Yes I like the game, but I dislike a number of things about it, including the ending.  I wish you could have the game just end after the final battle.  I also hate the unskippable cutscenes (including the dream sequences), which are making replays harder and harder for me.  And I hate Kaiden with a passion and would gladly accept the ending if I could just get the chance to gun him down with the Cain while saying, "Die, ******!"

But those are just my views.  If you disagree, fine, I respect your thoughts. 

I'm just finding these back and forth naming calling to be as annoying as the ending itself.


...Have him die on Virmire? Maybe? You're not forced to have him around. And you can just have low EMS and take him with you on the final push to the beam and he'll die. You can always pick who died and who lived when you make a fresh game.

However, I don't see any real name calling. I've had names called at me, though. On different sites. Both widely and specifically at me.

As Zach has been trying to point out, there's a difference between maturely saying you disliked the ending then there's the absolute wharrgarble I HATE THE ENDING AND EVERYONE WHO LIKES IT IS AN IDIOT AND KISSES BIOWARE'S ASS AND RAHFHG;AKH;B!

Hell, check this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ZcNFZAaWk

The singer didn't like the ending but he's mature about it and he still loves Mass Effect. That's an opinion I can respect. He's not allowing the ending to be the end of the world for him. He still will play the earlier games, he just doesn't like the ending. Mature, not wharrgarble.

That's all I really want to see. Less Councilor Sparatus, more James Vega. Appropriate doubt of orders yet mature about handling what is thrown.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 22, 2012, 04:32:34 am
No, I want to shoot Kaiden, in the face, with a Cain!  I'll be thrilled with the game if I get that. 

I'll settle for Mass Effect, Blasto Edition.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 22, 2012, 05:57:43 pm
Wait a minute...

In the Arrival DLC, it's stated that the energy created by the destruction of a mass relay is powerful enough to destroy an entire solar system.

The entire reason that you were grounded at the beginning of ME3 is because you killed all of the 300,000 Batarians that were in the Bahak system, which was threatening to cause a major political incident had the Reapers not shown up.

ME3 ends with the destruction of every mess relay in the galaxy.

So, not only is the relay network and the Citadel destroyed, long-distance space travel and communication rendered technologically impossible, galactic civilization crippled, and the main military force of just about every major sentient species permanently trapped in the Sol system above a ruined earth, but now EVERY MAJOR SOLAR SYSTEM HAS BEEN WIPED OUT AND EVERYONE IS FUCKING DEAD.

Complete with CGI sequences of the relay's exploding, including with debris!

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I can't wait to see how they write themselves out of this one! Grab a tasty snack and soda for this train wreck.



All because Shepard wouldn't tell that kid to fuck off.

ARTISTIC INTEGRITY

TL:DR Casey Hudson ignored the writers, personally stepped in and fucked up the late to end game up royally. Shit in his mouth, he deserves it.

Wanted closure and a fight with Harbinger? Too bad Casey Hudson (Executive Producer!) axed that because he decided to ignore the writers. It’s too videogamy for a videogame. It’s not like another medium for story telling involves a confrontation towards the end…BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH I can’t even finish that sentence. Read The Day of the Jackal for a good example.

http://youtu.be/bduOsWQzvxw (http://youtu.be/bduOsWQzvxw)

For added hilarity: remember the Rachni, Thorian and the broken promise that the Ranchi would play a role in the ending while Hudson speaks about tentacle monsters. So much hypocrisy in so little time.



But wait there is more! Wanted to question the star child about WTF was going on? Casey had that axed too! Wanted to know more about the Reapers? That’s not high level enough art, quote Mac “You don’t need to know that to know the answers to the Mass Effect universe, so we just intentionally left those out.” Buy Mass Effect 4: Ah yes Reapers!

http://youtu.be/a4KPt4ZrgTY (http://youtu.be/a4KPt4ZrgTY)


Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 23, 2012, 06:56:06 am
No, I want to shoot Kaiden, in the face, with a Cain!  I'll be thrilled with the game if I get that. 

I'll settle for Mass Effect, Blasto Edition.

Well... I suppose you... could. At the end of the game (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cain#Mass_Effect_3). If you take him with you... and use the Cain on him instead of... the Reapers.

In other news, I uploaded my fanfic and sent it off to the Bioware employee. It's not complete by any stretch of the imagination but it's got quite a few words in it. I'm nervous. Exceedingly so.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on April 23, 2012, 08:50:30 am
snip

Hey. You there. Person who decided that they agreed with me. Stop that. It's embarrassing.

Yes, yes. I get it. Casey Hudson fucked up. You don't need to act like you have a personal vendetta against him.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 23, 2012, 11:01:40 pm
Doing better in this insanity playthru for whatever reason. It only took me two tries to finish...

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I'm also speaking to my squad a bit more on the Normandy and discovering more dialogue than before. The discussions with EDI and Joker are great, especially as the end nears. The frustration that Shepard has is amazing and Jennifer Hale just does an amazing job. I am just sitting here in awe of how great she is at making Shepard's emotions clear.

While playing my game I'm also writing my fanfiction. I'm up to 11 chapters and currently working on the 12th. My main challenge is going to be able to write the action scenes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 24, 2012, 12:55:12 am
On my second full playthrough of ME3 and

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Out of curiosity what are people's opinions on Javik?  Everyone I talk to either loves him or hates him.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 24, 2012, 02:06:15 am
Why has no one posted this yet? Its fucking priceless! Also, the pain he must be in after that. And when he gets old, fat and wrinkly that will sag into a technicolor fold.

(http://i.imgur.com/XiWp2.jpg)

The "mural" on his back references: "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."



Out of curiosity what are people's opinions on Javik?  Everyone I talk to either loves him or hates him.

Javic is the typical Break the haughty character, complete with a galactic-ly massive superiority complex. The ironic justice is that the "primitives” he looked down upon are now in charge and the best chance to beat the Reapers. Not a ground breaking character, but he works.

There is one problem that comes to mind though, possibly due to lack of time and/or resources. Where are his wings? The Collectors could fly for short periods of time to ambush Shepard. This could have been easily worked into a ‘power’. Let’s call it ‘jump’, just like to squad way-point system Shepard could order Javic to jump to a point (eg behind an enemy squad). Biotic charge / charge for vanguards works via a similar method.

Also the Particle Rifle, a weapon unique to the DLC, is one shout out to the Mass Effect 1 ammo heat system. Weapons recharge cool down.  Never mind that Mass Effect 2 was supposed to have a hybrid system: weapons cool down normally, change clip for emergency “I NEED AMMO NOW” situations. Fun fact: the Particle Rifle is bugged. So long as you have it you can collect clips even at full ammo in every weapon.



I'm also speaking to my squad a bit more on the Normandy and discovering more dialogue than before.

Fun fact, disable autosave. That way when you quick load a quick save they game will not count the conversation as completed.


While playing my game I'm also writing my fanfiction. I'm up to 11 chapters and currently working on the 12th. My main challenge is going to be able to write the action scenes.

Might as well, the novels are fan fiction quality already. Your fanfic would be more accurate to the codex too.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/bioware-apologizes-for-mass-effect-novel-errors-6349818 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/bioware-apologizes-for-mass-effect-novel-errors-6349818)

“Writing on the official BioWare forums, community manager Chris Priestly apologized for the string of errors fans found in Mass Effect: Deception and said changes are being made for future editions of the novel.”

WILLIAM C. DIETZ, the author who is so god damn bad he has to release “patches” for his books. This is the guy who fucked up Halo: The Flood as well.
http://www.jasperfforde.com//upgrade/upgrade.html (http://www.jasperfforde.com//upgrade/upgrade.html)


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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Heretek on April 24, 2012, 03:09:59 am
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There is one problem that comes to mind though, possibly due to lack of time and/or resources. Where are his wings? The Collectors could fly for short periods of time to ambush Shepard. This could have been easily worked into a ‘power’. Let’s call it ‘jump’, just like to squad way-point system Shepard could order Javic to jump to a point (eg behind an enemy squad). Biotic charge / charge for vanguards works via a similar method.

Could have been something the Reapers added from another species to enhance the Collectors. We know from ME 3 that they're apparently fond of their mix and match critters (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MixAndMatchCritters).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on April 24, 2012, 03:36:12 am
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There is one problem that comes to mind though, possibly due to lack of time and/or resources. Where are his wings? The Collectors could fly for short periods of time to ambush Shepard. This could have been easily worked into a ‘power’. Let’s call it ‘jump’, just like to squad way-point system Shepard could order Javic to jump to a point (eg behind an enemy squad). Biotic charge / charge for vanguards works via a similar method.

Could have been something the Reapers added from another species to enhance the Collectors. We know from ME 3 that they're apparently fond of their mix and match critters (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MixAndMatchCritters).

Your right, I though it fit with the whole Prothians are insectoid theme, but there seems to be no hard facts stating that they have wings.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 24, 2012, 08:10:12 am
I started doing a fanfiction story about an Asari Sentinel teaming up with a Geth squad to protect a colony where she lives.  I ended up getting sidetracked, but I might go back to it in the future.

I'm also almost done with my Sentinel walkthrough.  I'm not sure what I'll do next; I have no interest in the Infiltrator and Engineer (especially since I can't use Dominate and Sabotage together anymore).  Maybe I'll give my Soldier (the only class who's had trouble thus far) another run, giving her the Scorp and the squad Cryo ammo.  Freeze everyone them blow them the %$&@ up!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 24, 2012, 09:32:15 am
On my second full playthrough of ME3 and

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Out of curiosity what are people's opinions on Javik?  Everyone I talk to either loves him or hates him.

I always knew we'd run into a Prothean who was actually alive. It just seemed like an inevitable thing. I'm still trying to decide what I think of him. I think he helped in many ways but... eh. I don't hate him either. It's extremely easy to hate him early on. He's a massive jerk. And...

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I've almost gotten to the action in my fanfic and I'm almost finished with my insanity playthru as well. Kai Leng is gonna be a bitch but luckily I've figured out my combination for taking down his shields then easily finishing his pansy ass.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on April 24, 2012, 08:47:44 pm
Out of curiosity what are people's opinions on Javik?  Everyone I talk to either loves him or hates him.

He should have been in the actual game. The fact that they took him out of the base game and made him Day-1-DLC so they could squeeze an extra $10 out of their customers is almost insulting. Especially something as integral to the lore of the universe as a fucking prothean.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 24, 2012, 11:23:13 pm
Been playing some more multiplayer since I unlocked the Geth infiltrator.  Holy crap that class is awesome.  I usually play one of two ways.  I either use scoped pistol and three round burst smg while cloaked using hunter vision, OR I use hunter vision with non-scoped weapons to pick off the edge of a crowd and then emp-melee them to death.  Easily one of my favorite classes.  Probably ties with my human soldiers (regular and BF3) and my Quarian engineer.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on April 25, 2012, 09:12:53 am
It all makes sense now.  Mass Effect is based on the bible (actually being kind of serious).  Shepherd is Jesus.  He dies in ME2 and gets resurrected, he has 12 disciples (crew members) that follow him, he is considered humanities only hope for saving them against a distant evil, and both endings (bible and Mass Effect)  suck.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 25, 2012, 12:08:12 pm
"Ah yes, 'Reapers.'"
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m024a7tAZW1qih4j7o1_400.gif)

"Ah yes, "helping you to save the galaxy". I have dismissed that claim." (literally 'that thing' when referring to Tali)
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m024a7tAZW1qih4j7o5_400.gif)

"Ah yes, 'the Geth did it'."
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m024a7tAZW1qih4j7o2_250.gif)

"Ah yes, asari 'headfucks'."
(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m024a7tAZW1qih4j7o4_250.gif)

Why couldn't I do this to Sparatus in ME3?
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz6ttpzclf1r8x5j0o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Meshakhad on April 25, 2012, 08:11:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re32xnyYP3A
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 25, 2012, 10:08:15 pm
The one thing that really bugs me about malukah is the excess of reverb and everything else. It makes my ears go wibbly wobbly.

Also,

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 26, 2012, 12:38:49 am
So I was playing some multiplayer since I've almost beaten the game again, and I got put into this one match where there was one other guy who was the same class as the one I had chosen for that match.  This apparently pissed him off, so he called me an ass and quit the match.  Because I was playing the same type of character.  Some people can be touchy sometimes. :P


Just found this easter egg today.  If you go up to the apartments in the presidium commons and click on the Blasto poster, THIS plays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXf7HC7iYEY
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 27, 2012, 08:16:26 pm
Shepard is bad at the whole socializing thing.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls7nupCLMK1qgeohho1_500.png)
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls7o01eMvS1qgeohho1_500.jpg)

Amongst others.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 28, 2012, 06:39:05 am
So I was playing some multiplayer since I've almost beaten the game again, and I got put into this one match where there was one other guy who was the same class as the one I had chosen for that match.  This apparently pissed him off, so he called me an ass and quit the match.  Because I was playing the same type of character.  Some people can be touchy sometimes. :P


Just found this easter egg today.  If you go up to the apartments in the presidium commons and click on the Blasto poster, THIS plays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXf7HC7iYEY

At one point, I forgot about the game because I was too busy listening to that.  They really need to do a ME:  Blasto Edition now! 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 28, 2012, 01:54:12 pm
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2dwkeQu8m1qde48ko1_500.png)

*sigh*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 28, 2012, 01:58:09 pm
Why do people hate Vanguards so much in mp?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 28, 2012, 02:03:12 pm
They think they're fucking invincible and they're not. They dart on ahead of the rest of the group and more often than not get themselves killed by brutes, banshees, you name it. Leaving us to have to deal with the bullshit and often being unable to revive them in time before they get executed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on April 28, 2012, 02:12:22 pm
Ah, I see.  I'd prefer to sit back and snipe.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 28, 2012, 03:33:10 pm
Forgot one more: Their biotic charge more often than not is distracting AND ruins shots for those of us who actually use weapons.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 28, 2012, 04:43:33 pm
Yeah, biotic charge is annoying.  Especially when I'm matched with a vanguard who keeps going after the sme enemies as me, ruining my headshots.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Heretek on April 29, 2012, 12:32:31 am
Mind you, I once played a match where all four of us were Krogan Vanguards. Shit was awesome.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Juna Starrider on April 30, 2012, 09:29:59 am
Being a Vanguard in SP is wonderful, no doubt people expect the same rush of invinsibility when they play MP.

On related news, my husband cannot stand watching me play my vanguard, even on single-player.  He believes as a shooter game, I should be standing under cover, sniping.  I try to tell him, 'no Sweety, I'm a Vanguard, I'm biotically enhanced to do this.  This is like telling a Holy Paladin in WoW to run in and melee stuff, since they are wearing plate armour."
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on May 01, 2012, 07:43:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YsGwcnDGaw
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 01, 2012, 10:07:53 pm
I've always been curious as to what constitutes an easter egg. Considering there isn't that much effort to get that conversation with him.

Also, as usual, having FemShep do that conversation is loads funnier.

With that said, thermal clips gives me problems with RPing/fanfiction writing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 01, 2012, 10:12:11 pm
^ THIS is why I like Bioware.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 01, 2012, 10:38:42 pm
^ THIS is why I like Bioware.

Forgive me, but could you elaborate a little as to which part? :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 02, 2012, 04:51:52 am
^ THIS is why I like Bioware.

Forgive me, but could you elaborate a little as to which part? :)

The video :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 02, 2012, 12:51:42 pm
Well you pointed at my post, silly. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 02, 2012, 03:35:10 pm
I was pointing at the previous post, but you posted before I could click "post".  I figured people would know what I meant :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 02, 2012, 03:36:16 pm
Could have meant you like Bioware because it causes people to think on how to write about something in the universes they create. *shrug*

Also, I just got the cold shoulder from Ash in ME2. :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on May 03, 2012, 06:02:05 am
I picked up the strat guide for this game, and it says your Rating actually does have an impact on the game.  Since it's ended the exact same for me every time, I might try my Engineer run with a very low rating.  Also, it says beating it with Game + reveals a secret Rating.  I'm a little skeptical but we'll see.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 03, 2012, 12:17:09 pm
I picked up the strat guide for this game, and it says your Rating actually does have an impact on the game.  Since it's ended the exact same for me every time, I might try my Engineer run with a very low rating.  Also, it says beating it with Game + reveals a secret Rating.  I'm a little skeptical but we'll see.

You mean EMS? Yeah, it does.

Oh hey, does this look familiar?

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/08/14/science/0815-sci-webSCIILLO.jpg)

Anyone have this happen in a multiplayer game because everyone's too stupid about the turrets?
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3gldio4cZ1qzku7uo1_500.png)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Heretek on May 03, 2012, 07:25:04 pm
I most often play an an Infiltrator, so I find it pretty easy to take out turrets; tactical cloak up for the damage boost, followed by a sniper rifle round through the targeting lens. No muss, no fuss.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 03, 2012, 07:41:23 pm
I usually stay back and hit them with my Concussive Shot then slice it with my assault rifle.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Heretek on May 03, 2012, 09:01:08 pm
I've had pretty shit luck with my weapon drops, I always seem to end getting shotguns or SMGs, neither of which I use. Though thankfully I've also hit a few upgrades for my Mantis, so it's no too big a deal. I do wish I could get my hands on a Javelin though.

How's the fic coming, by the way? Just finished Chapter 14.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 03, 2012, 09:07:25 pm
I've had pretty shit luck with my weapon drops, I always seem to end getting shotguns or SMGs, neither of which I use. Though thankfully I've also hit a few upgrades for my Mantis, so it's no too big a deal. I do wish I could get my hands on a Javelin though.

How's the fic coming, by the way? Just finished Chapter 14.

My drops are okay for the most part (http://social.bioware.com/1494953/&v=bw_games&game=masseffect3_xbox&pid=179738582&display=multiplayer).

I'm working on Chapter 15. It was gonna be finished by tonight but the ending to the chapter seems anticlimactic to me. But it had to be anyways. Then 16 has some interrogations.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on May 04, 2012, 12:44:50 am
I have almost all shotguns and SMGs! Luckily I got some useful assaults and pistols (Geth pulse rifle 7 and carnifex 6). I still have only 2 snipers at lvl 2 and 1 - no luck there at all! But I can carry 5 of each medigels, survivals, missiles and ammo packs (which I never use though...).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 04, 2012, 09:35:06 pm
Anyone else know about this tumbler? I found it funny.

http://phylodox.tumblr.com (http://phylodox.tumblr.com)

(http://i.imgur.com/sRhkP.png)

This reminds me, I think I just realized something really awful. How old is Tali by ME2 and ME3? Because in ME1 she is going through her puberty ritual (she even mentions Grunt’s rite as puberty/a pilgrimage in ME2). Seriously close to space pedophilia.




Good old goons, they always put the best stuff:

Quote
Mayor Dave posted:
What if there are like 100 Citadels in the Milky Way? The game straight-up says that the known Mass Effect Relay system covers less than 1% of the stars in the galaxy.

In this version, the Reapers are always reapin'. The Citadel isn't a relay to darkspace; it's a relay to the other Citadels. The Reapers activate them in order and come through as soon as they've finished the previous cycle; it takes about 50,000 years to finish a cycle. They were stalled when they discovered the Prothean sabotage; Sovereign had to slowboat it over when he encountered the Rachni. He indoctrinated them and hooked them into our relay network.

The Collector Base has dozens of relays nearby; it's a reaper hub of activity that leads to multiple reaper corridors.

Of course, this doesn't work with Arrival etc., but I think that it would have been an interesting direction for Bioware to have gone.

They wasted a perfectly good plot! Instead everything is a wasteland. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJm3Vnt5zxI
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on May 04, 2012, 11:07:07 pm
Anyone have this happen in a multiplayer game because everyone's too stupid about the turrets?
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3gldio4cZ1qzku7uo1_500.png)

Gawd, yes.  If I'm playing my soldier, I usually use adrenaline rush and just blast the thing.  Usually seems to work pretty well.

Also, apparently there are some people out there who don't like Femshep simply because she's "too manly" and "not feminine enough".  What part of Shepard is FIGHTING A WAR don't these people get?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 04, 2012, 11:15:26 pm
This reminds me, I think I just realized something really awful. How old is Tali by ME2 and ME3? Because in ME1 she is going through her puberty ritual (she even mentions Grunt’s rite as puberty/a pilgrimage in ME2). Seriously close to space pedophilia.

The Mass Effect wikia is something you really should wander through once in a while, it has most birthdays for the characters. Or hell, even check the codexes (I have spent ages looking through the codexes in all 3 games simply so I know what the hell I'm saying/doing in fanfiction and the game). As it is, Tali was born in 2161. Shepard was born in 2154. 7 years difference (that would put Tali at being 22 at the start of the trilogy. Considering the lifespans, Tali is legal even in ME1). Garrus is a little bit older than Shepard, even if he does seem to be younger. We don't have a firm date of birth for him, tho.

Grunt himself is a special case being tank-bred. Being grown in a tank, cloned, etc., really throws off relative ages.

Anyone have this happen in a multiplayer game because everyone's too stupid about the turrets?
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3gldio4cZ1qzku7uo1_500.png)

Gawd, yes.  If I'm playing my soldier, I usually use adrenaline rush and just blast the thing.  Usually seems to work pretty well.

Also, apparently there are some people out there who don't like Femshep simply because she's "too manly" and "not feminine enough".  What part of Shepard is FIGHTING A WAR don't these people get?

I suppose that's because of the default Shepard but she really doesn't look too manly. My Shepard on the other hand does. But, people will be people and bitch about FemShep until the cows come home even though she's entirely optional.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 04, 2012, 11:46:07 pm
Also, apparently there are some people out there who don't like Femshep simply because she's "too manly" and "not feminine enough".  What part of Shepard is FIGHTING A WAR don't these people get?

Lol really? Did they just outright ignore the entirety of Renegade anything in favor of a gender stereotype? That is just sad.


The Mass Effect wikia is something you really should wander through once in a while, it has most birthdays for the characters. Or hell, even check the codexes (I have spent ages looking through the codexes in all 3 games simply so I know what the hell I'm saying/doing in fanfiction and the game).

Good luck with that, you will probably do a better job than Bioware. Are you going to include Dark Energy? After all, someone has to adopt that unfortunate, abandoned plot thread.

I assume you have already acquired a copy of The Final Hours Of Mass Effect 3?


As it is, Tali was born in 2161. Shepard was born in 2154. 7 years difference (that would put Tali at being 22 at the start of the trilogy. Considering the lifespans, Tali is legal even in ME1). Garrus is a little bit older than Shepard, even if he does seem to be younger. We don't have a firm date of birth for him, tho.

I was given the impression that Tali was younger than twenty something years of age, late teens maybe. Good thing that was an erroneous impression.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 05, 2012, 12:16:27 am
Not my fault (nor Bioware's) people don't like to read the codexes much less anything else. The evidence is all around, people just have the attention span of a goldfish. ("Ugh, I hate reading. Why must there be so many words? Fuck that! I'll just make up what I want to as I go along!")

Also, I'm already 15 chapters in my fic and I have no intention of mentioning Dark Energy because I don't need to. I also don't know about 'doing a better job than Bioware' since I'm taking what they gave me in the first place and not even fixing anything really; it's Post-ME3 w/ Indoctrination Theory but I twisted it up to make it my own view.

I also don't need to acquire anything extra. It would just sully the story I have planned out already. I have all the plot points written out. I just need to flesh everything out and slap it up.

I really wish you'd knock off all the spite towards Bioware as a whole as well as specific members of the development team.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 05, 2012, 01:15:35 am
Not my fault (nor Bioware's) people don't like to read the codexes much less anything else. The evidence is all around, people just have the attention span of a goldfish. ("Ugh, I hate reading. Why must there be so many words? Fuck that! I'll just make up what I want to as I go along!")

Replace people with Bioware and this statement becomes even more accurate.


Also, I'm already 15 chapters in my fic and I have no intention of mentioning Dark Energy because I don't need to. I also don't know about 'doing a better job than Bioware' since I'm taking what they gave me in the first place and not even fixing anything really; it's Post-ME3 w/ Indoctrination Theory but I twisted it up to make it my own view.

You paid attention to their codexes, Bioware did not. Thus you will do a better job.


I really wish you'd knock off all the spite towards Bioware as a whole as well as specific members of the development team.

They deserve that spite, every last quantum of it.

Do not even try to say "But the extended cut is free", because it was not intended to be!
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/BioWare-Says-Mass-Effect-3-DLC-Was-Always-Free-Contradicts-DLC-Pricing-Scandal-41516.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/BioWare-Says-Mass-Effect-3-DLC-Was-Always-Free-Contradicts-DLC-Pricing-Scandal-41516.html)

The sooner it is realized that Bioware has gone vastly downhill the sooner heads will roll.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 05, 2012, 01:55:51 am
Yeah, okay. But you're gonna give yourself an ulcer. Not my problem tho.

As they say, still the very model of a Mass Effect enthusiast and haters gonna hate.

I'll be over here joining this turian because my blood pressure is in control and I'm not trying to dig for reasons  to hate something/someone:

(http://i43.tinypic.com/23w88kh.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yla on May 05, 2012, 04:01:18 am
This reminds me, I think I just realized something really awful. How old is Tali by ME2 and ME3? Because in ME1 she is going through her puberty ritual (she even mentions Grunt’s rite as puberty/a pilgrimage in ME2). Seriously close to space pedophilia.
If she's through puberty, it's not pedophilia.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 05, 2012, 04:59:25 am
I think The Illusive Man is doing his damn best to channel the still-living spirit of Mabus.

Too coherent, though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on May 05, 2012, 05:58:24 am
I'm currently going for the worst ending with my engineer, and man, it seems harder than going for a regular one!  I keep having to ignore people and keep myself from exploring.  I need to just complete main missions and those others that give me items that I want.  I need a Rating of 1750 or lower and I'm already at 1400 after hitting the Geth Dreadnought.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Distind on May 05, 2012, 06:46:15 am
I'm currently going for the worst ending with my engineer, and man, it seems harder than going for a regular one!  I keep having to ignore people and keep myself from exploring.  I need to just complete main missions and those others that give me items that I want.  I need a Rating of 1750 or lower and I'm already at 1400 after hitting the Geth Dreadnought.

Yeah, it did seem kinda hard to fuck up. Almost all of the decent point scores are tied to the main missions.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 05, 2012, 02:38:09 pm
It's pretty damn hard, especially if you imported.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on May 06, 2012, 05:25:57 pm
Also, apparently there are some people out there who don't like Femshep simply because she's "too manly" and "not feminine enough".  What part of Shepard is FIGHTING A WAR don't these people get?

Lol really? Did they just outright ignore the entirety of Renegade anything in favor of a gender stereotype? That is just sad.


No, I think people are just mad that FemShep isn't feminine enough because her armor doesn't show off her tits.

Also I really don't think Bioware screwing up ME3s ending is the most unforgivable thing in the world.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on May 07, 2012, 06:09:45 am
It's pretty damn hard, especially if you imported.

Yeah, I think after I finish my Engineer run, I'll do an Infiltrator run, starting at ME 3 with no imports.  It's be a challenge since I'm so used to starting at level 30 but it might be fun.  I just need to decide if I want a sniper (long range) or ninja (close range and melee) character.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 07, 2012, 11:23:53 am
It's pretty damn hard, especially if you imported.

Yeah, I think after I finish my Engineer run, I'll do an Infiltrator run, starting at ME 3 with no imports.  It's be a challenge since I'm so used to starting at level 30 but it might be fun.  I just need to decide if I want a sniper (long range) or ninja (close range and melee) character.

Doing no imports suuuucked tho. It was so bland. i tried it and instantly went back to my other Shep.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on May 08, 2012, 04:52:42 am
It's been pretty slow thus far.  I just got Garrus and I think I'm L 7 or something.  Still, Cloak + Melee is fun when I'm quick enough to pull it off.  I just need to speed up my cooldown and find a decent gun to use.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 08, 2012, 06:19:21 am
Speaking of Shepards.

Here's how mine looks in ME2 (shitty iPod picture ahoy!)
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3p33xJhMV1qdl4w6o1_500.jpg)

I will get a pic of imported to ME3 soon.

EDIT:

Raphael Sbarge (Kaidan) and Kimberly Brooks (AKA Ashley Williams) (http://twitter.com/kimberlydbrooks/statuses/199983935965499392) have mentioned being in the studio for recording. Jennifer Hale also mentioned being in the studio.

Alix Wilton Regan, Specialist Traynor, has been in the studio as well.

Can we all put on our big boy pants now?

Imported my Shepard seen above:

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3rqqjoF8H1qdqdwn.jpg)

Renegade ME3 Shep:

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3uik8hbDA1qdqdwn.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 19, 2012, 07:37:36 pm
Update! Hackett, EDI voice actors called back in! Yay?

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/18/hackett-edi-confirmed-for-mass-effect-3-extended-cut-dlc/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/18/hackett-edi-confirmed-for-mass-effect-3-extended-cut-dlc/)

By the way, listen to the video in that article. Remember folks, it’s the players complaining about how abrupt the losing conditions make the game not the sheer illogical, broken endings for beating the game. Bioware is still out of touch.

But here is what makes this whole drama fest a hilarious comedy of errors, free fan made marketing research! (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12100033) As a PDF (http://www.mediafire.com/?jc5h24r2xm37rot), as a series of .png images (http://imgur.com/a/Z8Lxb). A group of fans literally created a statistical analysis of fan input (from multiple countries!) on what was wrong with the ending. Read it and laugh/weep because I am calling it now, Bioware has already ignored all of it.

Please note that Bioware has yet to back down from their “artistic integrity” excuse.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 19, 2012, 11:48:39 pm
Illusive, get the fuck over it already.  It's not healthy to hang onto things like this for so long.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 20, 2012, 12:05:03 am
Build a motherfucking bridge out of Reaper parts and get the hell over the blood river. It's getting old and sad and just fucking unhealthy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on May 20, 2012, 10:47:39 am
Or maybe Zachski and Shane should STFU too? Maybe leave those of us who are of the opposite opinion continue updating the development of the issue? Maybe also stop making judgements on the healthiness of other people's behavior, since we can as easily make judgements on yours?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 20, 2012, 04:59:11 pm
Or maybe Zachski and Shane should STFU too? Maybe leave those of us who are of the opposite opinion continue updating the development of the issue? Maybe also stop making judgements on the healthiness of other people's behavior, since we can as easily make judgements on yours?

Sorry.  If you want to continue posting your opinion, you will have to deal with my opinion as well.

And my opinion is that this noise got old two months ago and should stop, and everyone should get over it.  Don't like it?  Tough.

And yes, I know that extends both ways.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 20, 2012, 06:55:52 pm
Or maybe Zachski and Shane should STFU too? Maybe leave those of us who are of the opposite opinion continue updating the development of the issue? Maybe also stop making judgements on the healthiness of other people's behavior, since we can as easily make judgements on yours?


(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3rz3eZ1gf1qinseio1_500.png)

Get some new jimmies.

Oh, you want me to update you on the ending? Here ya go:

Quote
At this point story specifics intended for the DLC are unknown, but in an interview with G4, ME3 voice actor Lance Henriksen had this to say of the new DLC: “We did a whole series of things to add to the end of the game, to live up to the quality that they’ve been doing.”

Lance calls the unsatisfactory ending “just an oversight,” saying that the ending upset fans due to its abrupt nature when the player died. “Usually when a guy loses a game,” he says, “the game shuts down, it’s over, you’re done. And the players didn’t like that.”

Don't let it rustle your jimmies but Hackett agrees with me. Rustle, rustle.

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m47erd5ntD1rn5zg8.gif)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on May 20, 2012, 07:18:36 pm
Or maybe Zachski and Shane should STFU too? Maybe leave those of us who are of the opposite opinion continue updating the development of the issue? Maybe also stop making judgements on the healthiness of other people's behavior, since we can as easily make judgements on yours?

Sorry.  If you want to continue posting your opinion, you will have to deal with my opinion as well.

And my opinion is that this noise got old two months ago and should stop, and everyone should get over it.  Don't like it?  Tough.

And yes, I know that extends both ways.
Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's. And you are welcome to express it. What is in my opinion questionable, is the use of what I personally qualify as an ad hominem attack.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 20, 2012, 08:22:58 pm
This thread needs more content, let's take a look at some of the cut content.

Look on the bright side, while they royally fucked up the ending at least we got Kinect integration! (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1216707p1.html)

An interesting issue was brought up by Michael Gamble, lots of extra VO (http://twitter.com/GambleMike/statuses/195022240696385536?_escaped_fragment_=/GambleMike/statuses/195022240696385536#!/GambleMike/statuses/195022240696385536) that is not used except when it was supposed to be used.
For example, there was supposed to be Geth Prime support with Quarian fire teams during Priority: Earth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq5p8xLP_WQ

 It was cut as noted by Patrick Weekes. (http://twitter.com/PatrickWeekes/statuses/194892717820612609?_escaped_fragment_=/PatrickWeekes/status/194892717820612609#!/PatrickWeekes/status/194892717820612609)

Bioware why did you cut this ending dialogue? It fits the citadel scene with Anderson so much more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI1oUAUe4Qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=booBmcFw_Lk

Joker was supposed to actually do something? Pick up the squad maybe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTdjiTOz2rI

Jack, being motherly. Yay for character envelopment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_AK6vz4_bM

Good old Zaeed, "I don't know what we're fighting but get on its left".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJ_QsIVOD0

Jacob "PPPPUUUUUUUSSSSSHHHHHHH"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umEDng9bSOE

Grunt being Grunt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMgonVe5XrM
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 21, 2012, 12:25:20 am
Holy Mabus Batman!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 21, 2012, 02:50:07 am
This is what I see now whenever Illusive talks:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lte7fdSLzE1qgwqw9o1_500.gif)

So many rustled jimmies in here.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Heretek on May 21, 2012, 04:36:52 am
So why can't we agree to disagree again? I liked the ending fine, doesn't mean I can't see where the people who didn't are coming from, and I reckon they have as much right to air their grievances as anyone else. I don't agree with The Illusive Man and Shano, but from what I've read of this thread so far they've tended much more toward civility, rather than telling people to shut the fuck up and get over it.   
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on May 21, 2012, 09:25:43 am
I do have to agree that if people still want to harp on the ending, let them.  You don't have to read their posts guys.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 21, 2012, 02:21:42 pm
I do have to agree that if people still want to harp on the ending, let them.  You don't have to read their posts guys.

And they don't have to read my posts.

I have as much right to express my disapproval of their opinion as they have to express their opinion.  Simple as that.

And I will exercise that right.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 21, 2012, 06:58:01 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzzwh3KHV71r94e9jo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 21, 2012, 11:18:04 pm
Forbes has been delving into video game journalism and and taking pot shots at who are considered traditional game reviewers. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/03/22/mass-effect-3-gears-of-war-3-and-why-reviewers-fail/) Of note was their take on the indoctrination theory. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/03/21/mass-effect-3-ending-the-indoctrination-theory-is-the-easy-way-out/)

To be honest, I was surprised and glad. Forbes is considered respectable and thus a counter to the nasty stigmas attached to video games and anything related to such.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 22, 2012, 01:57:53 am
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbuve8tIwm1qdvkxfo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on May 22, 2012, 06:53:24 am
Forbes has been delving into video game journalism and and taking pot shots at who are considered traditional game reviewers. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/03/22/mass-effect-3-gears-of-war-3-and-why-reviewers-fail/) Of note was their take on the indoctrination theory. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/03/21/mass-effect-3-ending-the-indoctrination-theory-is-the-easy-way-out/)

To be honest, I was surprised and glad. Forbes is considered respectable and thus a counter to the nasty stigmas attached to video games and anything related to such.


Unfortunately, in terms of reviewers, I am not sure I can dismiss the money and advertisements so easily out of the equation. See the film and book critics in established newspapers and magazines are completely independent from the industry. And game reviewers quite dependent - be it by direct support, or by the need to be invited to review a title. I see the point of the blogger, but greed is, in my perspective, a far more dominant motivational factor. If you are in any way, shape or form financially dependent, you are going to be biased.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 22, 2012, 09:44:56 am
Actually game reviewers 99% of the time are independent. Just sayin'. Hence my above pic.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m40p1pRdCo1qdt0i0o1_500.jpg)

Accurate.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on May 22, 2012, 12:41:34 pm
Actually game reviewers 99% of the time are independent. Just sayin'. Hence my above pic.

The examples with film and book reviews in an unrelated media (like a newspaper for example) where reviewers are paid by the newspaper and the newspaper doesn't rely on the success and advertisement from the said film and book creators/publishers for survival seems to be vastly unparalleled in the world of gaming critique. Care to provide arguments why the reviewers do not rely on financial support from the game developers/publishers? I may be very wrong and those reviewers are in no way supported by advertisements and are not pressured into a bias. But your statement as a reviewer yourself is to me personally very suspicious.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 22, 2012, 12:58:20 pm
But your statement as a reviewer yourself is to me personally very suspicious.

Lolwat

If Shane were not a reviewer, you'd be saying "You don't have experience with this, so therefore, you don't know for sure."

But since Shane IS a reviewer, you're saying "You have experience with this, therefore, you are suspect."

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on May 22, 2012, 05:02:07 pm
But your statement as a reviewer yourself is to me personally very suspicious.

Lolwat

If Shane were not a reviewer, you'd be saying "You don't have experience with this, so therefore, you don't know for sure."

But since Shane IS a reviewer, you're saying "You have experience with this, therefore, you are suspect."

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

What evidence do you have that I'd be saying anything if Shane was not a reviewer. Please do not put words in my mouth.
However, that's irrelevant since I welcome evidence that would show the independence of game reviewers. My statement comes from the conjecture that the games reviewers are directly associated with media that is predominantly supported by the industry itself.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 23, 2012, 01:50:29 am
No, I'm pretty sure Zach's right.

99% of reviewers out there have to support themselves out of pocket. Why? Because companies don't like giving shit out for free. Companies also don't like giving games to people who have given them poor reviews in the past. Yes, this has happened and it made a giant shitstorm in the community.

It's moronic to believe that all reviewers rely on the industry. And it's also why a lot of review sites flop over and die. Because they can't support themselves. They don't know how. Or the economy hits and they can't pay for the copies.

But hey, keep believing that 99% of the high scores out there were paid for. Keep believing the game industry is like the mob and they pay people off to give a good word. Keep believing that the industry supports those who review. They don't, but you're free to believe it.

I find it funny that I predicted this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shano on May 23, 2012, 06:34:12 am
No, I'm pretty sure Zach's right.

99% of reviewers out there have to support themselves out of pocket. Why? Because companies don't like giving shit out for free. Companies also don't like giving games to people who have given them poor reviews in the past. Yes, this has happened and it made a giant shitstorm in the community.

It's moronic to believe that all reviewers rely on the industry. And it's also why a lot of review sites flop over and die. Because they can't support themselves. They don't know how. Or the economy hits and they can't pay for the copies.

But hey, keep believing that 99% of the high scores out there were paid for. Keep believing the game industry is like the mob and they pay people off to give a good word. Keep believing that the industry supports those who review. They don't, but you're free to believe it.

I find it funny that I predicted this kind of thing.

So you put words in my mouth as well. (You and Zachski seem to think alike... in every thread that both of you have had an opinion... I start to wonder).

You say there was a shitstorm in the community, however you provide no clue if the practice stopped due to that shitstorm or it was just a three day wonder. (Oh how tempting it is to make a ME3  analogy here...)
Your next paragraph is difficult to parse for meaning. Are you saying the a lot of reviewers' sites flop over and die because reviewers do not rely on the industry? (And the logical conclusion is that those that DO rely survive?) In addition does your statement imply that you call those who believe that reviewer rely on the industry morons (sounds like ad hominem to me)?

From what you said I feel like you are actually supporting the argument that indeed the high scores are paid for by the industry. Oh and I do not see you mention the reliance of sites on advertisement.

Your statement about predictions you made seems non sequitur.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 23, 2012, 02:14:14 pm
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/545/OpoQQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yla on May 23, 2012, 05:33:03 pm
For divinity's sake stop spamming image macros. They're not helping your case in regards to making a serious argument.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 23, 2012, 06:00:35 pm
No, I'm pretty sure Zach's right.

99% of reviewers out there have to support themselves out of pocket. Why? Because companies don't like giving shit out for free. Companies also don't like giving games to people who have given them poor reviews in the past. Yes, this has happened and it made a giant shitstorm in the community.

It's moronic to believe that all reviewers rely on the industry. And it's also why a lot of review sites flop over and die. Because they can't support themselves. They don't know how. Or the economy hits and they can't pay for the copies.

But hey, keep believing that 99% of the high scores out there were paid for. Keep believing the game industry is like the mob and they pay people off to give a good word. Keep believing that the industry supports those who review. They don't, but you're free to believe it.

I find it funny that I predicted this kind of thing.

ahahahahahah

Wait, you serious?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

U best be trollin' son. Lets break down this fail train down point by point.




But your statement as a reviewer yourself is to me personally very suspicious.

Lolwat

If Shane were not a reviewer, you'd be saying "You don't have experience with this, so therefore, you don't know for sure."

But since Shane IS a reviewer, you're saying "You have experience with this, therefore, you are suspect."

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Both of you are missing a very valid point, its called over generalization. One person does not speak of an entire group, especially that group is diverse! Also, the next person who tries to compare this to a Democracy gets smacked for stupidity, majority =/= ALL.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 23, 2012, 07:18:42 pm
You know what? Neither of you are going to listen to a word I say so I'm just going to put you both on ignore so I don't have to put up with it. Congratulations. Oh, and google is your goddamn friend if you actually want answers as to what I've said.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 23, 2012, 07:47:46 pm
Too much butthurt in this thread, back to fun stuff. The Miracle of Sound and Zero Punctuation present: awesome ME3 music videos!

Their playlist.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL90229471516D05ED&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL90229471516D05ED&feature=plcp)


Commander Shepard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiRDJLcYua0
Lyrics:
(click to show/hide)

Take it Back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9feUxKIqKmg

Normandy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfelfyV8LwA
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 23, 2012, 09:09:09 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4iyj2xKyW1rwii5ao1_500.jpg)
Quote
The Reapers are targeting our training centers, and your mission is to draw their fire and attention. Put them on the defensive! Buy us time, and the reinforcements in training will soon back you up.

Allied Goal: Promote 50,000 characters.
Squad Goal: Promote 3 characters.
Special Circumstance: Due to the failure of Operation SILENCER, more banshees will spawn with Reaper enemies and might also spawn with other enemies.

Squad Goal Success: Squad members awarded a Commendation Pack.
Allied Goal Success: All players awarded a Victory Pack (high chance of containing a Rare weapon).

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m43rwiqcqC1rnrpot.gif)

And this is what happens when you fail an operation in ME3... Great.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on May 24, 2012, 11:23:04 am
MORE banshees?  And with OTHER enemies??

Terrific.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 24, 2012, 08:13:27 pm
Yeah, banshees with geth and Cerberus. That sounds lovely, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 24, 2012, 10:46:28 pm
MORE banshees?  And with OTHER enemies??

Terrific.

Update!
It would seem that the challenge was designed to fail so more DLC can be introduced. (http://www.vg247.com/2012/05/16/report-mass-effect-3-multiplayer-dlc-spotted-in-the-wild/) Such a decision smacks of desperation.

Also:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/oud4rl.jpg)
Credit goes to skoolmunkee.


Why were these not made audible during the forced dream sequences? They have more emotional impact than the star kid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4pqgBw_exw
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 25, 2012, 03:25:04 am
Look at the lovely free DLC (http://www.gamepodunk.com/topic/1126-mass-effect-3-rebellion-pack-revealed-with-release-date)

The Vorcha and the Ex-Cerberus Vanguard looks kickass.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on May 25, 2012, 04:47:52 am
Look at the lovely free DLC (http://www.gamepodunk.com/topic/1126-mass-effect-3-rebellion-pack-revealed-with-release-date)

The Vorcha and the Ex-Cerberus Vanguard looks kickass.

Are those... energy whips?  I so want to unlock the Ex-Cerberus guy now!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 25, 2012, 05:05:25 am
Haha, yep! That's why I want to unlock him. I hope i have a faster chance at it than the last guys they gave out in the other DLC.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on May 25, 2012, 11:10:06 am
I unlocked the Geth infiltrator pretty quickly with the last dlc.  Instantly became one of my three favorite characters for multiplayer.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 25, 2012, 09:08:53 pm
N7 multiplayer weekend has officially started, everyone. Let's get it done, alright?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 27, 2012, 01:55:12 pm
I literally, just now, figured out who Jessica Chobot why the hell Bioware bother to put a hack “video game journalist” as a character (Diana Allers (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Diana_Allers)) in their game. The apex of her career was licking a PSP. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo3JcX1BvrQ) Which is not to exclude those who encourage and consume such media. IGN], G4, ect are part of the problem. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=aIP73xIAPLU)


Instead of wasting time and resources on surplus fan service and other frivolous bullshit (kinetic) Bioware should have been: fixing the horrible animations, replacing the 2d art assets with 3d art assets, fixing the broken level design (good god the clipping, enemy placement), character rendering (shaders, skeletal problems), pathing and most importantly the central plot. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=wHS7xexH8kA)


How about the fact that ME3 should not need another sex symbol! Was Mirandia’s ass not pulling enough of the teenage male demographic? Was the sheer misogyny of how ALL the female characters were written not enough?

Jack was sexually and emotional abuse through her whole life, fuck her to fix that! (This was in ME2 where Bioware was not constrained by a very limited budget!) Let’s not forget the mother or whore false dichotomy that encompasses Jack’s character. When Jack stops being sexually promiscuous to cope with her trauma, she comes motherly at Grissom academy.

Stereotypes are used to substitute writing, such indicates a problem with the writers as they should know better. Especially the female writers!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Juna Starrider on May 29, 2012, 06:54:46 pm
You know what  Illusive Man?


Fuck you.


Seriously, instead of whining about every little damn thing about the game, you should play another goddamn game.   I'm tired of reading your unending Mabusesque posts bitching about this game, believing there's a conspircy with EA/Bioware to produce a crappy game for......some reason. 

So, the game isn't to your standards.   I understand.  There's quite a lot of you out there.  Most of them are civil enough to explain their dislikes, and move on with their lives.  You, and some others are obsessed with finding every damn flaw there is, then spending two fucking months repeating those flaws, over and over again.  So, honestly, instead of bringing out the links about how much this game sucks and that all the females are stereotypes.  (You haven't played any other Bioware games, have you?)  How about you shut up.  Play a different game, or go to a forum dedicated to whiny bitches who can't accept less than perfection....like the Bioware Forums.


Jeesh, if theres something I hate more that fanboys, it's anti-fanboys.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 30, 2012, 04:08:43 am
Jeesh, if theres something I hate more that fanboys, it's anti-fanboys.

I call those kinds of people fanhaters.

They're essentially fanboys of a game series, but you wouldn't know from hearing them talk.  NOTHING meets their standards, which is invariably "We want it exactly like this game, but with a new story that's exactly like this game's, and new graphics that aren't too new because then it wouldn't look exactly like this game... and no remakes, that's cheating"

Hello Starfox fanbase -_-
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 30, 2012, 05:00:12 am
Finally got Rebellion (http://blog.bioware.com/2012/05/29/whats-new-for-the-rebellion-pack/) downloaded.

I decided to play a few rounds.

First match out of the gate? The new Thessia map. Which enemy? Cerberus. And just like that I feel like my heart's been completely ripped out because of the singleplayer and what Thessia means to me.

I did however buy a Super Spectre pack and got an Asari Justicar along with the Striker Assault Rifle and a Stronghold Package 1 for the new Gear Bonus slot. The gear bonus has saved my arse so many times already.

Someone already unlocked the Ex-Cerberus Adept which I am jealous over. Then in another match someone was using the Reegar Carbine.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on May 30, 2012, 06:27:46 pm
Update time!

Bioware is more or less restructuring as a lot of top level positions are suddenly open.

https://performancemanager4.successfactors.com/sfcareer/jobreqcareer?jobId=4206&company=EA (https://performancemanager4.successfactors.com/sfcareer/jobreqcareer?jobId=4206&company=EA)


Quote
Writing, narration and leadership skill will be an asset for this position, but most of all you will have a passion and drive for creating work that pushes the boundaries of current game design!

The successful applicant must:
• Have 5 years minimum hands on experience in the Video Game industry and having shipped at least one “AAA” title as a Lead Writer.
• Ability to interpret and execute the Lead Designer, Art Director and Executive Producers vision and communicate that to the rest of the team; maintaining the narrative vision of the project.
• Work collaboratively with the Art and Gameplay Design and Cinematic Teams.
• Have a great understanding and ability to tell stories, write scripts, find character voice and maintain consistency across the project.
• Initiate critique of the writing teams work across the project.
• Become the project’s point of contact for writing with respects to technical implementation and IP cohesion.
• Create and understand Writing pipelines and work flows with the ability to modify and improve them.
• Test and proactively troubleshoot the game and help fix them.
• Be forward thinking and anticipate the needs of the writing team.
• Be meticulous and organized in the approach to the tasks, files and storage, and help your team to be the same.
• Be enthusiastic and expect to take on challenges.
• Provide writing samples of personal or professional work and successfully complete a writing test.

http://www.bioware.com/careers/montreal (http://www.bioware.com/careers/montreal)
They are also looking for persons to fill the following positions: Lead Animator, Senior Environment Artist, Technical Artist, Audio Lead, Animation Programmer, Server Programmer and Tools Programmer!

Extra points if you send three copies of your resume in blue, green and red font!




On the bright side, Mass Effect hoodies! Better put up your shields though because you might be shot at.

http://www.gamefront.com/bioware-to-sell-awesome-fan-designed-mass-effect-hoodies/ (http://www.gamefront.com/bioware-to-sell-awesome-fan-designed-mass-effect-hoodies/)
(http://cdn2.gamefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/MassEffectHoodies.jpg)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 30, 2012, 08:13:50 pm
Been playin' a few more rounds of MP. I swear the Rebellion DLC has made geth a bit tougher than they were. Either that or I've somehow become exceedingly rusty and my weapons are a lot weaker than I thought.

I got to play on both of the new maps as well. Thessia is neat though it can quickly trap you. The Sur'kesh level is easy to get swarmed by geth. Learned that the hard way.

I haven't unlocked any of the new weapons or characters yet but I'm still racking up credits to do so. I found a bunch of friends to team up with and when we really get into our tempo we are on fire.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Saturn500 on June 22, 2012, 04:18:23 pm
http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-epilogue-dlc-coming-next-week/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-epilogue-dlc-coming-next-week/)

Uh... is this a necro? I dunno.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on June 22, 2012, 04:59:38 pm
http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-epilogue-dlc-coming-next-week/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-epilogue-dlc-coming-next-week/)

Uh... is this a necro? I dunno.
Meh a polished turd is still a turd.  The only thing that would make me happy is if they gave me a option to kill the kid and see a epic space battle and kill off the reapers.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 22, 2012, 05:35:01 pm
http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-epilogue-dlc-coming-next-week/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-epilogue-dlc-coming-next-week/)

Uh... is this a necro? I dunno.

You updated the thread, so no.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on June 22, 2012, 06:14:06 pm
http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-epilogue-dlc-coming-next-week/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-epilogue-dlc-coming-next-week/)

Uh... is this a necro? I dunno.
Meh a polished turd is still a turd.  The only thing that would make me happy is if they gave me a option to kill the kid and see a epic space battle and kill off the reapers.

...At least you're honest about it I suppose.

Also, allow me to share an awesome piece of fanart depicting Krogan riding cloned Kakliosaurs (http://dunechampion.deviantart.com/art/A-Future-for-the-Krogan-Sketch-309140319). FUCK YEAH
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on June 24, 2012, 09:46:03 pm
I’m back and keeping this thread alive! And take the edge off the impending disaster that is the EC.

The fan artist who created the announced for TF2 has done a few sketches of a fan ending. In my opinion it is quite funny. (http://makanidotdot.tumblr.com/post/23813697845/reaper-shep-greets-her-marooned-former-crew-sorry)

Post Control ending, reaperised renegade fem Shep returns to rescue her crew, only to be shot in the face.

(click to show/hide)


Did anyone post the Escapist Blue Rose of Illium comic yet?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/escapist-comics/9758-Blue-Rose-of-Illium (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/escapist-comics/9758-Blue-Rose-of-Illium)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on June 26, 2012, 10:25:43 am
Can't wait to go home to download the Extended Cut.

Thank God a load of people seem pleased with it. I was already pleased with the ending I gained but it shall be interesting to see what all has changed and been added and such.

I'm Commander Shepard and my story is not done.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on June 26, 2012, 10:28:03 am
I just DL'ed it, but I don't have time to play right now.  I wonder what's on it at 1.5 GB!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on June 26, 2012, 10:43:16 am
 BSN doesn't seem to be bitching yet. I'm sure they will. You can't please everyone and to demand such a thing is asinine.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Saturn500 on June 26, 2012, 11:19:17 am
There's also a fourth ending now.
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on June 26, 2012, 12:06:48 pm
There's also a fourth ending now.
(click to show/hide)

So the Starchild is Harbinger in disguise? WTF that makes even less sense! The whole concept of the Starchild is bad, their attempt to polish a turd made it more shitty.

Why would Harbinger willingly give Shepard a means and way to destroy or control both himself and the rest of the Reapers?

This is not bad writing, this is absolutely atrocious, shameful, horrible, terrible writing!


Lets not forget that Shepard is literally a power fantasy. He/she is told that he/she can not do the impossible (stop Saren, kill Sovereign, jump through the Omega 4 relay and survive, ect) except with certain types of impossible to justify Casey's ending.

I'm done with Bioware, never again.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on June 26, 2012, 03:25:29 pm
I like the Destroy ending a little more now, and the others, a little less.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on June 26, 2012, 04:46:23 pm
So did the EC put Bioware back into a favorable/trusting light for you?  I played the EC and while IMO it did mend their favor-ability a bit
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  however I still will never pre-order anything from them again.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: The Illusive Man on June 26, 2012, 05:20:12 pm
So did the EC put Bioware back into a favorable/trusting light for you?  I played the EC and while IMO it did mend their favor-ability a bit
(click to show/hide)
  however I still will never pre-order anything from them again.

No, they are now 2 time losers. The messed up once, got a second chance and blew it.

On the bright side at least the synthesis ending is hilariously bad instead of just regular terrible. I'm am going to repost this from Something Awful. (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3471712&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1120#post405030923)


Oh I forgot to include, are their any Collector's left? Javik might be able to hang out with them.




DLC leak time!

Get this, rouge Reaper (Leviathan of Dis)! Welp, I should have saw this one coming. Bioware like to play with the 'planet of hats' trope.

"If Leviathan is a defector--a Reaper that broke away from the others--then it is also a traitor."

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12777408/1 (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12777408/1)
http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX (http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX)

Also:
Bow chicka bow-wow
"I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me."

We found the creators of the Reapers, space Cthulhu!
"So the Reapers did not fully exterminate their creators. That suggests they are fallible, even on large or long-term scales."

Oh goody underwater sections! Oh god the controls!
"Can't say I was happy sending you down in that submersible by yourself."


This might be prequel DLC, might be a joke by Liara.
Quote
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<data>What is it with you and rescuing scientists from dig sites that have been overrun by hostile forces?</data>
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<data>If you decide to help her take down the Shadow Broker, I'm going to be jealous. And somewhat concerned.</data>
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<data>Not that I'm complaining, mind you.</data>
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kefkaownsall on June 26, 2012, 11:25:51 pm
Okay my thoughts on the new endings. 
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on June 27, 2012, 04:31:02 am
There's one thing that's bothering me;

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Just something I was wondering.  I still wish you could skip the dream sequences.  They're not so enjoyable after the 5th or 6th time.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on June 27, 2012, 06:26:44 am
I KNEW IT! I FUCKING KNEW IT!

(click to show/hide)

As a celebration, I have decided to finally use my actual Shepard I beat the Reapers with as my avatar.

Fuck yeah.


Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on July 07, 2012, 03:42:53 pm
I'm starting from ME 1 with a new character and going through all 3 games.  This is my first time with an Infiltrator, and I'm trying some of Tropes.org's gamebreaker advice (max out Pistols and Fitness, max out shields, become a human tank, etc.).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on July 07, 2012, 06:38:13 pm
Okay, the new 4th ending just made all the endings make even less sense.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 11, 2012, 08:48:20 am
Okay, the new 4th ending just made all the endings make even less sense.
Not necessarily. But I won't get into that.

I HAVE NEWS OF NEW DLC!

Oh yes children.

Gather round.

First up we've got MULTIPLAYER DLC (click for pics) (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/357426/mass-effect-3-earth-dlc-looks-to-feature-new-weapons-mode-and-class/)! You wanted more N7 Marines right? I bet you did.

Here they are:

    (Adept) N7 Fury: Throw, Annihilation Field, Dark Channel
    ((Soldier) N7 Destroyer: Multi-Frag Grenade, Missile Launcher, Devastator Mode, T5-V battlesuit
    ((Engineer) N7 Demolisher: Homing Grenade, Arc Grenade, Supply Pylon
    ((Sentinel) N7 Paladin: Snap Freeze, Incinerate, Energy Drain
    ((Infiltrator) N7 Shadow: Tactical Cloak, Shadow Strike, Electric Slash
    ((Vanguard) N7 Slayer: Phase Disruptor, Biotic Charge, Biotic Slash, has a guddam sword *is Kai Leng I'm assuming*
    Fury: "Fury operatives use implants to fuel biotics and their incredible movement speed. These operatives wind an unpredictable path on the battlefield, moving in and out of combat before returning to unleash a sweeping biotic attack on their unsuspecting targets."
    (Destroyer: "The Destroyer's T5-V Battlesuit gives these strong-but-slow soldiers mech-like protection. Driven by eezo-assisted actuators, these frontline troopers carry heavy weapons onto the battlefield."
    (Demolisher: "The Demolisher uses grenades to attack at range and to terrorize the battlefield. Demolishers can also create a supply pylon that stocks allies with an unending reserve of grenades and thermal reloads."
    (Paladin: "The Paladin carries a powerful omni-shield onto the battlefield to block enemy fire. The Paladin also uses the shield as a heavy-melee weapon that, when modified with incindiery or cryo upgrades, creates a devastating combination attack."
    (Shadow: "Shadow infiltrators use implants to dramatically improve agility, making them slippery combatants on the battlefield. Their monomolecular blades are a menace from cover and close range."
    (Slayer: "Slayers use implants to dramatically improve mobility. Their dizzying sword attacks can hit multiple opponents, and the Slayer's ability to slip fire makes them hard to pin down on the battielfield."

Next up we have... SINGLEPLAYER DLC THAT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED! LEVIATHAN OF DIS!

Beware all ye who enter, there be spoilers:
(click to show/hide)

AND HOW MUCH IS IT, DAVE?

THE PRICE OF FREE! FOR BOTH!

That's right. FREE. Not a single penny owed to Bioware or EA for any of the DLC that has been announced so far.

This is how gaming should be. Free DLC. Oh yes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on July 11, 2012, 09:05:05 am
Sounds cool, I wonder if this is a new kind of reaper.  I'd still love to know more about the 'dead' Reaper in ME2 (reaper class, etc.).

Just finished my Infiltrator run of ME1, with only a few points in Tech skills.  I maxed out Pistols, Fitness, Electronics (for the shield), Armor, and the remaining points were spread out.  With two Medical Exoskeletons in my suit, I had Immunity on nearly nonstop.

Now I'm getting ready to go through ME 2 and my first run with the cloak.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 11, 2012, 09:34:07 am
You do know that we've already heard about Leviathan of Dis right? lol He was mentioned by Balak in ME3. And somewhat in ME2. It's not a 'new kind'. It's just a Reaper. A traitor Reaper. But a Reaper nonetheless.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on July 11, 2012, 10:58:41 am
Yeah, I just thought that Reaper looked cool and was hoping to learn more about it.

Okay, WTF just happened with my ME2 game?  I started with my imported Infiltrator character, got all the way to Omega, and it didn't save!  It never even let me save!  At first, I thought it was a glitch, but since autosave was on, I was okay.  However, when I turned the game off, then on again, it wasn't even there.  I just wasted an hour of gameplay for nothing!

Has this happened to anyone else?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ThunderWulf on July 11, 2012, 11:20:52 am
Yeah, I just thought that Reaper looked cool and was hoping to learn more about it.

Okay, WTF just happened with my ME2 game?  I started with my imported Infiltrator character, got all the way to Omega, and it didn't save!  It never even let me save!  At first, I thought it was a glitch, but since autosave was on, I was okay.  However, when I turned the game off, then on again, it wasn't even there.  I just wasted an hour of gameplay for nothing!

Has this happened to anyone else?

WTF?  Never even heard of that happening... :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on July 11, 2012, 04:40:33 pm
Okay, restarted and it's working no problem now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on July 22, 2012, 06:23:42 am
Just finished my ME 2 Infiltrator run to set up for ME 3.  The final battle was awesome! 

I had Jacob and Thane with me, and we were down to shooting at Terminator-Mecha-Cthulhu-Reaper-Thingie.  I pulled out my trusty Cain, aimed for TMCRT and fired.  He ducked.  He ducked !  HE #^&##^&$#%**$ DUCKED!  I was down to about 81% ammo, so I went for the tried and true weapons.

For some reason, in this entire game, ammo was scarce, to the point where my Viper ran out of ammo even in small battles.  Well, I ran out against TMCRT so I switched to my GPS.  Ran out.  It was still alive.  Switched to my Temptest, started to run low. 

Then I saw some ammo on a platform where the Collectors emerged from (TMCRT disappeared for a while.  Figuring he wouldn't emerge as long as the Collectors were alive, I activated my cloak and went ammo-hunting.  Meanwhile, Thane decided to take on Harbringer mano-e-gillmano and won, while Jacob was on a pulling left and right (Okay that sounded way wrong). 

Suddenly, Mr. TMCRT popped back up.  Thane and Jacob wisely and 'loyally' ducked back behind cover, but I was out in the open, with minimal ammo, and the sides of my screen were red.  I figured I was toast anyway so I better just go down fighting.  Then I saw a glowing cylinder on the ground.  Walking over, I saw the words, "+20 Heavy Ammo,"  pulled the Cain back out, pointed it at Mr. TMCRT's eye, and fired.

I got the kill scene!  That was the first time I ever dropped him with the Cain and the second time I killed him while being out in the open. 

Now for ME3, I'm debating on my bonus power.  In 2, I used Stasis because Stasis + Tactical Cloak + ammo Power = VERY SHORT boss battles!  However, I'm thinking about Defensive Matrix this time around to get the cooldown bonus.  Anyone have any thoughts as to which would be the better choice?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VirtualStranger on July 22, 2012, 08:53:05 pm
You do know that we've already heard about Leviathan of Dis right? lol He was mentioned by Balak in ME3. And somewhat in ME2. It's not a 'new kind'. It's just a Reaper. A traitor Reaper. But a Reaper nonetheless.

(click to show/hide)

The Leviathan was also mentioned in one of the planet description texts in ME1.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Jartar
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on August 01, 2012, 04:45:39 am
I just finished my Infiltrator run and quite enjoyed it.  Trying as an Engineer again, though playing through 2 first to level up. 

I also tried a few solo mp games and got my Vanguard to Level 8.  However, I can never get past the third wave, no matter what I do.  I also got frustrated when I repeatedly died after I couldn't charge someone who was directly in front of me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 01, 2012, 05:41:30 am
It helps to have a squad. Very few people can do solo runs.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on August 01, 2012, 03:01:05 pm
Well after the third, "Vote to kick Vypernight," after 10 seconds in a game, I decided I couldn't get kicked from my own.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 01, 2012, 04:56:12 pm
Well after the third, "Vote to kick Vypernight," after 10 seconds in a game, I decided I couldn't get kicked from my own.

...Gamers suck >:[
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 02, 2012, 03:07:13 am
That's still weird as hell. I don't have that problem at all...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 05, 2012, 10:31:41 am
Double post on toast to bring you info about the Leviathan DLC and why the hell you should give a fuck about it:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8a0ogl20z1rbi2v2o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vypernight on August 08, 2012, 08:06:28 pm
Just finished an ME 2 run with my Engineer.  It was basically a no-guns run, where I used my weapons as little as possible (meaning I only used my SMG early on while my powers cooled down and the Cain at the end).  Inmstead, I maxed out my Combat Drone, Flamethrower, and Dominate for lots of fun and Collector-kicking.

Too bad Dominate's not in ME 3.  I'll probably go with Defense Matrix because of its cooldown bonus.