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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4410 on: September 03, 2014, 10:32:15 pm »

There's no denying that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were massive tragedies.  However, it was hardly "terrorism".  It was cruel necessity, and probably saved millions of lives.

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4411 on: September 03, 2014, 10:40:16 pm »


Cause clearly Japan wouldn't keep fighting unless we brought a rain of ruin from the air down on their asses, no sir. They would just surrender the moment we stepped foot on a Pacific island, yes sir. Face it, if we hadn't pushed the button, the war would have been even more hellish than it was already.

Quit bitching about it. What's next, the apologists come out of the wood work for Nanking's anniversary? How about the death marches of Sandakan and Bataan? Or how about the sheer amount of Japanese casualties because of the doctrine of glorious death? Saipan? Okinawa?

 
 
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4412 on: September 03, 2014, 10:42:27 pm »


Cause clearly Japan wouldn't keep fighting unless we brought a rain of ruin from the air down on their asses, no sir. They would just surrender the moment we stepped foot on a Pacific island, yes sir. Face it, if we hadn't pushed the button, the war would have been even more hellish than it was already.

Quit bitching about it. What's next, the apologists come out of the wood work for Nanking's anniversary? How about the death marches of Sandakan and Bataan? Or how about the sheer amount of Japanese casualties because of the doctrine of glorious death? Saipan? Okinawa?

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4413 on: September 03, 2014, 10:56:52 pm »
But did we consult the magic conch?

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4414 on: September 04, 2014, 02:52:01 am »
Cause clearly Japan wouldn't keep fighting unless we brought a rain of ruin from the air down on their asses, no sir. They would just surrender the moment we stepped foot on a Pacific island, yes sir. Face it, if we hadn't pushed the button, the war would have been even more hellish than it was already.

Quit bitching about it. What's next, the apologists come out of the wood work for Nanking's anniversary? How about the death marches of Sandakan and Bataan? Or how about the sheer amount of Japanese casualties because of the doctrine of glorious death? Saipan? Okinawa?

I think the point is that while it was probably necessary to end the war, it was still one of the most horrendous things ever done. Did it save more lives by forcing Japan to surrender, probably, but it has a more lasting legacy than just ending the war.

America has both the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, but is also the only nation to have actually used nuclear weapons on a civilian population. It tends to make the way the USA gets their panties in a knot whenever another nation becomes nuclear capable seem a bit hypocritical. This is even more obvious when things like 9/11 are portrayed as the most horrible terrorist attack the world has ever seen, it still pales in comparison to what America did to those cities. It is understandable why the use of nuclear weapons can be seen as terrorist actions, it effectively terrorized Japan into surrender.

Was it the right thing to do with regards to the bigger picture of the war? Probably. However, it most definitely is not something to be proud of. The title of being the only nation to have used nuclear weapons on another is possibly the blackest mark on American history.

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4415 on: September 04, 2014, 03:12:26 am »
Besides either slavery or the genocide of native Americans

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4416 on: September 04, 2014, 05:23:23 am »
I might be missing the point, but my assumption was that the kid had come to associate big explosions with terrorist attacks, rather than events of war.  Damn kids these days!

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4418 on: September 04, 2014, 06:55:41 pm »
I might be missing the point, but my assumption was that the kid had come to associate big explosions with terrorist attacks, rather than events of war.  Damn kids these days!
That's how I was interpreting it too. A child that age has quite possibly only heard about rogue nations, terrorists trying to get the bomb, and nuclear proliferation and not about the details of WWII.

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« Reply #4419 on: September 04, 2014, 06:57:33 pm »

I think the point is that while it was probably necessary to end the war, it was still one of the most horrendous things ever done. Did it save more lives by forcing Japan to surrender, probably, but it has a more lasting legacy than just ending the war.

No, it wasn't. Japan was willing to negotiate, the Allies only continued the war so they could get unconditional surrender from Japan.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4420 on: September 04, 2014, 07:58:19 pm »

I think the point is that while it was probably necessary to end the war, it was still one of the most horrendous things ever done. Did it save more lives by forcing Japan to surrender, probably, but it has a more lasting legacy than just ending the war.

No, it wasn't. Japan was willing to negotiate, the Allies only continued the war so they could get unconditional surrender from Japan.

Specifically the US, they wanted to end the war before Russia declared war on Japan. (They missed by a few days.)

A few US advisors counseled offering a conditional surrender, but they were overruled.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4421 on: September 04, 2014, 08:28:44 pm »

I think the point is that while it was probably necessary to end the war, it was still one of the most horrendous things ever done. Did it save more lives by forcing Japan to surrender, probably, but it has a more lasting legacy than just ending the war.

No, it wasn't. Japan was willing to negotiate, the Allies only continued the war so they could get unconditional surrender from Japan.

Bullshit. The Japanese wanted to keep Korea and Formosa, states they had conquered. 
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4422 on: September 05, 2014, 01:04:55 am »

I think the point is that while it was probably necessary to end the war, it was still one of the most horrendous things ever done. Did it save more lives by forcing Japan to surrender, probably, but it has a more lasting legacy than just ending the war.

No, it wasn't. Japan was willing to negotiate, the Allies only continued the war so they could get unconditional surrender from Japan.

Bullshit. The Japanese wanted to keep Korea and Formosa, states they had conquered. 
So what you are saying is, the Japan was willing to negotiate but the Allies nuked them so that they could get an unconditional surrender instead?
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #4424 on: September 05, 2014, 03:56:51 pm »
Oh gross.
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