Most of it comes from Dante, doesn't it?Him and Milton.
What's funny about it is that Hell is probably the most pagan thing in Christianity, being a combination of Niflheim and Tartarus with the goddess Hel's name thrown on top of it (with an extra L added in)
In fact, there's absolutely nothing biblical about the concept at all, save for Jesus' parables about "gnashing and wailing of teeth"... which is tenuous at best.
Judaism doesn't really have a hell as far as I know.
Not sure where I heard this, but I heard the Judaic version of hell, regardless of the crime, was one year. That's it.
It's closer to a purgatory, from what I understand. Which means that Catholicism actually has a point about that.
Judaism doesn't really have a hell as far as I know.
As far as I can tell, the closest analogues are Sheol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol) and Gehenna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna).
Yeah, if there's an afterlife, I'm all for having one for punishing bad people that managed to escape punishment in this life...however, I'd have all of them be temporary. A Goldman-Sachs CEO will be clubbed over the head with a pineapple for a few years, and regular, decent dicks like us would have a few years of peace, relaxation, and fun.
SpukiKitties idea of hell makes a lot more sense. It addresses.
-The more depraved monsters who actually deserve some suffering.
-The injustice of punishing someone eternally for a small lifetime of crimes.
Too bad this goes over the fundies head who buy into this "all sin against god is infinite" bullshit. No. No no no. No matter how many stupid apologetic arguments fundies make, they cannot reconcile a god of "love" and infinite torture, especially when most of the people being punished are just imperfect humans who can't live up to an impossible standard. Yeah, real genius God, creating people who can't live up to his own standard. And they still can't see what's wrong with this, nor will they admit that God's a bastard because JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZUUUSSS died for us (and yet they still push this hell stuff despite that, hypocritcal fuckers).
I hope none of you have your hearts set on anything happening after death. For those who may, you should probably give the concept of death a closer look. It means your body is incapable of receiving sense impressions. It means your brain is no longer capable of processing sense impressions. You are non-functioning right down to the cellular level. And you have no mysterious gaseous component that's going to waft off to some place for an eternity of good times or bad. The singular mind/body creature that was you no longer exists. Sorry. But you had to know some time.You know what you're doing wrong? You're expecting religious people to apply logic to their dogma. That's not a thing that will ever happen.
Except the last one makes the atheists all look like spiteful dicks
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Well if the atheist is saying he won the gambit, its like hes happy that everyone else is in hell as well. No one wins in that scenario. If the atheist still says he won, then hes being a dick
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If I may play devil's advocate* for a moment, assuming gods exist and actually care what people believe we should expect them to take action and tell some humans that they are the right god(s), so it's likely that at least one religion got it right.
Why not tell all humans, in such a way that there is no reason for doubt? Hell if I know, I'll leave the rationalizations to people who actually believe this stuff.
*Should that be God's advocate?
Well if the atheist is saying he won the gambit, its like hes happy that everyone else is in hell as well.At the very least, he didn't waste any time, money and effort on a religion that was of fuck all use after he kicked the bucket.
Well if the atheist is saying he won the gambit, its like hes happy that everyone else is in hell as well.At the very least, he didn't waste any time, money and effort on a religion that was of fuck all use after he kicked the bucket.
As far as the "wager" thing goes...well, if there's a god and it only likes certain people, then a portion of our population is outright fucked anyway, so it doesn't really matter what you believe, or even if you believe at all. In such a case, it'd probably be best to find a way to kill said god before it can either start or continue its monstrous regime.
As far as the "wager" thing goes...well, if there's a god and it only likes certain people, then a portion of our population is outright fucked anyway, so it doesn't really matter what you believe, or even if you believe at all. In such a case, it'd probably be best to find a way to kill said god before it can either start or continue its monstrous regime.
I like the way you think.
Matter, Psyche & Spirit are simply different wavelengths of existence.Wavelengths, huh? Okay then, what wavelengths are they specifically? Even a rough estimate of the range would be something. 650-719nm for matter, 720-949nm for psyche and 950-1103nm for spirit? How do these wavelengths define their properties? How does amplitude and velocity figure into things? What exactly occupies the wavelengths not taken up by matter, psyche and/or spirit? Most importantly, what kind of waves are we talking about in the first place? And don't even think about saying it's "quantum" related. I can assure you that quantum wavelengths have absolutely nothing to do any of... This sort of thing.
Matter is super-dense, subject to laws of death, decay, corruption, impermanence, imperfection.How exactly does corruption and imperfection apply to anything non-man-made? For starters, both, perfection in particular, are subjective qualifiers. Some people may consider a certain movie, book, piece of furniture or a meal to be perfect or as near perfect as it get, while the next person may find the same things outright repulsive. As for corruption, well, that's about as human-specific, particular modern human, as it gets. Trying to apply that to anything not related to humans is rather silly. For example, what qualifies, say, a rock, or a planet, or a hexane molecule, as corrupt/imperfect or not?
Spirit, however, is the exact opposite of these qualities & is eternal.So you're essentially implying that "spirit" is not subject to entropy, no? Considering entropy is a rather fundamental law of physics, that's a rather massive claim you're making. Especially as merely a different wavelength (wavelength of what, you've yet to define) is all that's needed to violate what all evidence and scientific understanding so far has supported being fundamental law.
Psyche/Mind/Astral is in between these two things and is also a sort of link/doorway between the two. There's different levels of Astral, to the mundane everyday thoughts/imagination/daydreams or other levels such as the dream level, followed by something somewhat akin to the Spirit plane.While not quite as huge as "entropy doesn't apply", here you're basically claiming that our understanding of neuroscience and specifically information theory is false. That thoughts and dreams are not fact a conscious interpretation of various chemical and electrical signals within the brain but rather something (which you've only very vaguely defined) completely different.
The idea of "The Big Guy In The Sky" or variations thereof is a bunch of unscientific, unprovable, superstitious, primitive claptrap.Unless this was a completely unrelated observation, you seem to be implying that your own beliefs are not in fact unscientific or superstitious. If that's the case, then the "spirituality" defense is simply not going to fly. If something is to be scientifically sound, it needs actual proof to back it up. If it goes against even an existing theory, much less an entire field of science and even a fundamental law of physics, then you're going to need some really fucking serious evidence to both back your own claims and to disprove what you're contradicting. Evidence that, assuming it hypothetically exists, would most likely take multiple qualified teams of scientists (I'm talking doctorate level education and access to all the funding and equipment that they need) decades to discover and satisfactorily test, at the very least. I'm guessing that your scientific education doesn't even go beyond high school, if that. If you can't make with this kind of proof (and let's be honest, it's not going to happen), then your beliefs are just as unscientific, superstitious, moronic and outright false as any traditional theists'. Not only that, but the sheer delusional arrogance that you're anywhere near the same level as real physicists and neurologists is just astounding, though to be fair that does indeed apply to fundies of any flavour.
Basically, Spukikitty is spouting complete and utter nonsense once again.
And here I thought we had something special.
As far as the "wager" thing goes...well, if there's a god and it only likes certain people, then a portion of our population is outright fucked anyway, so it doesn't really matter what you believe, or even if you believe at all. In such a case, it'd probably be best to find a way to kill said god before it can either start or continue its monstrous regime.
I like the way you think.
Hey, you spend so long fighting against gods and god-like beings in games, you stop seeing gods in terms of reverence and worship...and more along the lines of "I wonder how much gold I get off killing that thing." Its kinda like the Lord British Postulate, or "If You Stat It, They'll Kill It."
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Totally off topic, but I love this picture.(click to show/hide)
Well.. maybe a little.Totally off topic, but I love this picture.(click to show/hide)
you just think hes hot you faggot
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Basically, Spukikitty is spouting complete and utter nonsense once again.
Basically, I don't care.
As far as the "wager" thing goes...well, if there's a god and it only likes certain people, then a portion of our population is outright fucked anyway, so it doesn't really matter what you believe, or even if you believe at all. In such a case, it'd probably be best to find a way to kill said god before it can either start or continue its monstrous regime.
I like the way you think.
Hey, you spend so long fighting against gods and god-like beings in games, you stop seeing gods in terms of reverence and worship...and more along the lines of "I wonder how much gold I get off killing that thing." Its kinda like the Lord British Postulate, or "If You Stat It, They'll Kill It."
There's plenty of mythologies where gods (and things that are beyond gods) can be outright killed so it's not an unfeasible what-if.
As far as the "wager" thing goes...well, if there's a god and it only likes certain people, then a portion of our population is outright fucked anyway, so it doesn't really matter what you believe, or even if you believe at all. In such a case, it'd probably be best to find a way to kill said god before it can either start or continue its monstrous regime.
I like the way you think.
Hey, you spend so long fighting against gods and god-like beings in games, you stop seeing gods in terms of reverence and worship...and more along the lines of "I wonder how much gold I get off killing that thing." Its kinda like the Lord British Postulate, or "If You Stat It, They'll Kill It."
There's plenty of mythologies where gods (and things that are beyond gods) can be outright killed so it's not an unfeasible what-if.
[Rips the new age nonsense to sheds]
[Rips the new age nonsense to sheds]
I like the way you think.