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Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« on: November 21, 2012, 12:08:20 am »
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2012, 05:12:51 am »
The problem is when these people are so driven to be "innovative" that they lose insight on functionality, practicality, and convenience.
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 01:04:33 am »
To be fair, Metro makes Ribbon look like the most intuitive UI ever created.
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2012, 03:36:49 pm »
Well, this will surely end well.
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2012, 06:09:12 pm »
Quote from: Wolf Lord Waldorf X on December 01, 2012, 01:04:33 am
To be fair, Metro makes Ribbon look like the most intuitive UI ever created.

Yeah, I mean, I've actually been able to figure Ribbon out. And at least it's, oh, I dunno, organised, which is more than I can say for the cluttered mess which is Metro.
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2012, 09:21:20 pm »
*still fumes over spending a semester learning how to use Microsoft Office pre-Ribbon, only to have to deal with Microsoft Office post-Ribbon in the very next semester*
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 10:40:10 pm »
Ribbon confused the fuck out of me, but it's really just the same thing with new layout. But the fallout from it really felt like "SOMETHING CHANGED? EVERYBODY PANIC!"
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2012, 03:36:41 am »
The menu change for MS office was hard to figure out? Are... are you serious?

Is this really going to be the thing people freak out about with Windows 8?
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 11:00:19 am »
Quote from: Her3tiK on December 04, 2012, 03:36:41 am
The menu change for MS office was hard to figure out? Are... are you serious?

Is this really going to be the thing people freak out about with Windows 8?

Don't you know? When things change, it's time for panic! [/sarcasm]
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 12:17:51 pm »
Someone observed that Microsoft may be facing an operating system curse; every other one sucks:

Windows 98 was good
Windows 2000 sucked
Windows XP was good
Windows Vista sucked
Windows 7 was good
Windows 8 sucks

Fortunately, this just means that the next one will be good.
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 04:25:17 pm »
I thought Windows 2000 was an operating system for servers? It morphed into Windows NT.

Though that leaves the question why DOS was good, Windows 3.0 was fine, Windows 95 was fine. 98 was much better. XP was a huge pain in the ass since it had nearly no backwards compatibility for programs, meaning none of my games would run. Vista was basically XP with some improvements, better backwards capability, and that terrible waste of RAM. 7 I haven't had enough experience with, but I like the new setup for the toolbar.

The thing that gets me is that everyone heralds the end of Windows with every new operating system, when usually most of the errors are either user based or very small. I think the largest issue I've had is the backwards capability of XP, while Vista RAM thing was annoying but not dooming.


And why does everyone sit around for the downfall of Microsoft? Um, Mac isn't better and there's a lot of externalities that are good to having only one or two major OSes.
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 06:10:55 pm »
Quote from: Material Defender on December 04, 2012, 04:25:17 pm
I thought Windows 2000 was an operating system for servers? It morphed into Windows NT.

Though that leaves the question why DOS was good, Windows 3.0 was fine, Windows 95 was fine. 98 was much better. XP was a huge pain in the ass since it had nearly no backwards compatibility for programs, meaning none of my games would run. Vista was basically XP with some improvements, better backwards capability, and that terrible waste of RAM. 7 I haven't had enough experience with, but I like the new setup for the toolbar.

The thing that gets me is that everyone heralds the end of Windows with every new operating system, when usually most of the errors are either user based or very small. I think the largest issue I've had is the backwards capability of XP, while Vista RAM thing was annoying but not dooming.


And why does everyone sit around for the downfall of Microsoft? Um, Mac isn't better and there's a lot of externalities that are good to having only one or two major OSes.
Basically. Everyone I know who's had issues with Windows are the kind of people who click links with expired antivirus software and wonder why their computer takes 5 minutes to boot or load Firefox (at least none of them still use IE). It's a big part of why I don't think anyone should be using computers unless they know basic maintenance (same thing with cars and household appliances, this shit ain't hard).
Basically, if Windows is too hard, buy a Mac. You have to try to fuck those up (or customize), and can't fix anything without tech support anyways. Pay your $1500 for the logo and go bother someone else.
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 08:43:01 pm »
One thing worth noting: 2000 didn't become NT, NT became 2000. (The 2000 splash screen at boot said something like "Built on NT Technology".) 2000 was essentially NT for personal computers. (And compared to everything I heard about ME, it was pretty good.)

And I never had that issue with old games not running on XP (well, there was one, but it was an MS game and they released a patch). That is why I highly dislike 64-bit versions, though, because they didn't bother to write in backwards compatibility for 16-bit software (and why I suspect they still have a 32-bit version for 8--there's no way businesses would upgrade otherwise).

As for Vista, IIRC it wasn't "XP with improvements" because XP was very good. It was MS realizing "Oh crap, we need to get a new OS out or we'll lose some tiny fraction of our dominating market share!"
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 11:03:05 pm »
Quote from: Material Defender on December 04, 2012, 11:00:19 am
Quote from: Her3tiK on December 04, 2012, 03:36:41 am
The menu change for MS office was hard to figure out? Are... are you serious?

Is this really going to be the thing people freak out about with Windows 8?

Don't you know? When things change, it's time for panic! [/sarcasm]

Normally I would agree with this, but there is on major, glaring difference between the change to Metro and the change to Ribbon.

Functionality!

If your UI breaks third party software than it must not be either fixed or removed! PERIOD. AMEN. CLOSE THE BOOK. To the very day, if using the Metro interface, I have to manually search or browse to a program’s directory because certain programs are not listed!

For fuck’s sake, I expect this kind of crap from Linux.
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Re: Shake up at Microsoft over Windows 8
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 11:13:19 pm »
Quote from: dpareja on December 04, 2012, 08:43:01 pm
And I never had that issue with old games not running on XP (well, there was one, but it was an MS game and they released a patch). That is why I highly dislike 64-bit versions, though, because they didn't bother to write in backwards compatibility for 16-bit software (and why I suspect they still have a 32-bit version for 8--there's no way businesses would upgrade otherwise).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't 64-bit operating systems supposedly allocate memory more effectively?  Or is that just a marketing myth?

I agree that the lack of 16-bit compatibility is quite annoying.

Quote from: dpareja on December 04, 2012, 08:43:01 pm
As for Vista, IIRC it wasn't "XP with improvements" because XP was very good. It was MS realizing "Oh crap, we need to get a new OS out or we'll lose some tiny fraction of our dominating market share!"

Yeah, and Win7 was Micro$oft saying "oh shit, Vista is a great big shit sandwich, let's fix up the mistakes we should have fixed in Vista before Release to Manufacturing!"
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