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But telling Yahweh where to stick his Ark simply results in you drowning. Which I guess is no loss if you are a gnostic in the sense of believing that the entirety of the material universe is flawed and the creation of the Demiurge and the only way to return to the divine spark is through enlightenment at death.

Personally I like living. I suspect I would probably be freaked out about having something that doesn't exist threaten the planet with something which couldn't physically happen. I assume that once I told Yahweh that the story was a metaphor and wasn't literally possible he would relax.

But I guess the flood story is just one of the many stories in the bible where God doesn't look so great to put among the rest, like the story of adam and eve, Exodus, the binding of Isaac or the book of Job.
Religion and Philosophy / Re: Are there active members here?
« Last post by davedan on June 21, 2021, 01:20:16 am »
Well, as a Shin Megami Tensei player, I'd tell him where to stick it - then beat him down.

I find the second game posits the most interesting series of events, even in the Law Path, which seems to set you on YHVH's path, even his own Angels find the things YHVH wants to do and has done to the Earth abominable. Thus resulting in Satan (separate from Lucifer owing to this game taking more from the early Jewish tradition that established them as separate beings) turning against his master and helping you put an end to the tyrant deity.

He however turns to salt in the process.

Depending on how much you liked Zayin, one half of Satan, and Satan himself, this could be a blow to the player.
Was Noah a traitor to humanity? Should he have told God where to shove his ark?

Gnostic Christians like to reverse the usual verdicts that the bible shows as justice. We do this just for the sake of verification and agreement with what is posited as a good moral position, which is supposed to translate to ethical actions by believers. That is how we prove math and is a great way to prove the worthiness of the issues in the scriptures.

We do this because the bible says we should and we, as free thinkers and not sheeple, follow that bit of wisdom.   

I was sitting there the other day and wondered what I would do if I was Noah. It is all a much of course, as shown by the doublets, but regardless, it has lessons to teach.

Yahweh is set on a genocide of biblical proportions, fictions, and is asking me, and you, should you want to see what a believer thinks.

What would you do in this story? Can you somehow make Yahweh look good enough to adore as god?

I, in my Noah personae, after chatting with Yahweh, decided that the right thing to do was tell Yahweh to find another traitor to humanity.

I would change much in this world if I could. A Gnostic world is so much more peaceful and just. Bahhh. But given the power to be a new Adam would be sacrilegious. I would be assuming that there was a defect in the first Adam, and that is fully against the Christian side of my doctrine.

The real capital (G) God, the one who created Yahweh, the (most vile god of gods ), would not allow that given the perfection of man and imperfection in Yahweh.

Would you help Yahweh with his genocide of man, or would you tell him where to go.

Would you be a traitor to humanity?

Religion and Philosophy / Are there active members here?
« Last post by Gnostic Christian on June 18, 2021, 02:33:26 pm »
Just wondering.

Politics and Government / Re: Holy Shit - What the Fuck is happening in Israel!
« Last post by dpareja on June 13, 2021, 04:09:19 pm »

Netanyahu is out and one of his former acolytes is in.

Remains to be seen how stable the coalition will be, given that it's got right-wing nationalists (such as Bennett's Yamina), centrists (Lapid's Yesh Atid, Gantz's Blue and White), dovish leftists (Michaeli's Labor) and even an Arab party for the first time ever.
Politics and Government / Re: Holy Shit - What the Fuck is happening in Israel!
« Last post by dpareja on May 25, 2021, 08:06:39 pm »
It's the "when did you stop beating your wife" tactic. By the time you get past sputtering in disbelief the audience is convinced that you used to beat your wife.
Absolutely.  A criticism of a government or governing body is not a criticism of those under their governance.  That's why you can support members of the armed forces and not support why they were sent off to war, in the first place.  Ain't their fault their leaders are shitbags, and we should be free to call people out, regardless of nationality, religious affiliation, gender, or anything else when they're being pieces of shit.  Because being an asshole knows no division.
It's 2014 all over again, and just wait for anyone who points out how fucked up it is (don't forget, Palestinians are also being forcibly and illegally evicted from their homes in, say, East Jerusalem--when a Palestinian went on TV and called it out he was arrested the next day by the IDF) to be smeared as an anti-Semite, because being against the actions of the state of Israel in this case must mean you hate all Jews everywhere, including the ones who are against the actions of the state of Israel in this case. (They, of course, are self-hating Jews.)

That kinda bullshit is why I stay way, way the fuck away from sayin' any kind of real shit about any country that isn't my own anywhere but here.  Say that Xi Jinping wants to be Mao 2.0?  Clearly, I hate Chinese people, or maybe even Asians, in general.  I point out how insanely toxic Japanese work culture is and how its basically going to end up with their demographic annihilation if left unchecked?  I may as well say we should've lobbed a few more nukes their way.  Say that Netanyahu and the Israeli government should be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity for the brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing they've undertaken in Palestine?  Whelp, guess I'm the second coming of ol' Uncle Adolf, because I just said we should gas all Jews.

People should be able to wise up by now when people cynically use outrage as a defence. When a Jewish reporter can get sacked ostensibly for "antisemitism" for old tweets criticising the actions of the nation state of Israel it's time to call out that old bullshit for what it is
The Lounge / Re: Anything Good Happen Today?
« Last post by Cloud3514 on May 21, 2021, 10:19:47 pm »
That actually sounds pretty good. Also reminds me that I need to get some actually good mead. I've got a bottle of cheap mead from a local liquor store in my fridge (that's at least from a local winery), but it's not the same.
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