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Community => Society and History => Topic started by: ThunderWulf on January 16, 2013, 06:31:04 am
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-robbins/the-dark-side-of-vitaminw_b_669716.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-robbins/the-dark-side-of-vitaminw_b_669716.html)
So apparently a non-profit organization is currently in the process of suing Coca-Cola for false claims about their drink Vitamin Water being healthy. Some people are not surprised by this, but what is surprising is Coke's defense argument:
In a staggering feat of twisted logic, lawyers for Coca-Cola are defending the lawsuit by asserting that "no consumer could reasonably be misled into thinking vitaminwater was a healthy beverage."
Does this mean that you'd have to be an unreasonable person to think that a product named "vitaminwater," a product that has been heavily and aggressively marketed as a healthy beverage, actually had health benefits?
Meanwhile, Coca-Cola has invested billions of dollars in its vitaminwater line, paying basketball stars, including Kobe Bryant and Lebron James, to appear in ads that emphatically state that these products are a healthy way for consumers to hydrate. When Lebron James held his much ballyhooed TV special to announce his decision to join the Miami Heat, many corporations paid millions in an attempt to capitalize on the event. But it was vitaminwater that had the most prominent role throughout the show.
I still can't get over the bizarre audacity of Coke's legal case. Forced to defend themselves in court, they are acknowledging that vitaminwater isn't a healthy product. But they are arguing that advertising it as such isn't false advertising, because no could possibly believe such a ridiculous claim.
I guess that's why they spend hundreds of millions of dollars advertising the product, saying it will keep you "healthy as a horse," and will bring about a "healthy state of physical and mental well-being."
So according to Coca-Cola, anyone who even for a second thought VitaminWater, which is marketed as healthy, was even slightly healthy is a moron.
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I don't see how it could stand, the stuff tastes like ass, the only reason one would drink it is because they thought it was healthy.
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Apparently in EU if you claim that a product is healthy then you must have actual research data to back up those claims. And you can't just bribe a random doctor to make up a report, that study must pass a check by European Food Safety Authority. (It does cause more bureaucrasy and lawyers can make up a wording that is almost but not quite a claim of health benefits.)
Is there any law like that in USA?
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Oh wow, this is a PR nightmare.
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Apparently in EU if you claim that a product is healthy then you must have actual research data to back up those claims. And you can't just bribe a random doctor to make up a report, that study must pass a check by European Food Safety Authority. (It does cause more bureaucrasy and lawyers can make up a wording that is almost but not quite a claim of health benefits.)
Is there any law like that in USA?
As far as I'm aware, but don't quote me on this, as long as your claims aren't too out there and you have the correct information on the nutritional label, there is a bit of wiggle room with loopholes in that department.
Basically, as long as it's not blatant enough where it's obvious it's not true.
Oh wow, this is a PR nightmare.
Nooo kidding.
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Basically while drugs are regulated suppliaments are not so for instance 5 Hour energy says it keeps you going for 5 hours but the only ingredient that has been tested by the FDA that will improve your energy is caffine
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By virtue of the fact that it is not alive, it is impossible for the product to be "healthy." The dispute should be over whether it is healthful.
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So according to Coca-Cola, anyone who even for a second thought VitaminWater, which is marketed as healthy, was even slightly healthy is a moron.
You know, I'm not exactly in disagreement with this statement.
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I actually thought this topic was going to be about Coca Cola making a water-suit filled with vitamin enriched water, with the idea that you absorb it through your skin.
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Well the other reason for the suit is that the vitamins either don't work as well or are simply not there which breaks FDA rules about the nutritional block
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I like vitaminwater but I've always known that it's basically just sugar water and not a health supplement at all.
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Relevant commercials that prove Coke is full of shit. (not the drink) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk4cmFRCN6g to say nothing of the one that said it's packed with anti oxidants for health
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By virtue of the fact that it is not alive, it is impossible for the product to be "healthy." The dispute should be over whether it is healthful.
I consider this case closed. Due to grammar, Coca-Cola's position is found to be technically correct.
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By virtue of the fact that it is not alive, it is impossible for the product to be "healthy." The dispute should be over whether it is healthful.
I consider this case closed. Due to grammar, Coca-Cola's position is found to be technically correct.
The best kind of correct!
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I like vitaminwater but I've always known that it's basically just sugar water and not a health supplement at all.
Yeah, pretty much this.
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I'll be happy when we can buy red potions to heal our bodies, green potions to heal our minds, and blue potions to heal both. Those would be awe to the some.
They will be sold by travelling merchants and old ladies. Or travelling old lady merchants. Just because.
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I actually thought this topic was going to be about Coca Cola making a water-suit filled with vitamin enriched water, with the idea that you absorb it through your skin.
...Me too. Oops.
I like some vitamin water but I know it isn't exceedingly healthy.
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I'll be happy when we can buy red potions to heal our bodies, green potions to heal our minds, and blue potions to heal both. Those would be awe to the some.
They will be sold by travelling merchants and old ladies. Or travelling old lady merchants. Just because.
Heresy. Blue potions are for the mind, purple potions are for both and also the gay agenda.
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I'll be happy when we can buy red potions to heal our bodies, green potions to heal our minds, and blue potions to heal both. Those would be awe to the some.
They will be sold by travelling merchants and old ladies. Or travelling old lady merchants. Just because.
Heresy. Blue potions are for the mind, purple potions are for both and also the gay agenda.
I thought pink potions were for the gay agenda?
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Also, another confession:
I didn't even know Coca Cola's Vitamin Water existed until I read this topic.
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By virtue of the fact that it is not alive, it is impossible for the product to be "healthy." The dispute should be over whether it is healthful.
Meh, that particular grammatical ship has sailed.
But yeah, it's water with flavoring and coloring. It's no better for you than Crystal Light, which is low-calorie, but full of artificial nastiness that isn't exactly good for you.
I'll be happy when we can buy red potions to heal our bodies, green potions to heal our minds, and blue potions to heal both. Those would be awe to the some.
They will be sold by travelling merchants and old ladies. Or travelling old lady merchants. Just because.
I'll be happy when I dont' have to buy potions, and can just draw symbols on the ground and say "Narokath Santak Chattur'gha!" and be totally healed of any ailment or injury. And can you imagine what Xel'lotath-aligned healing spells would do for the state of mental-health care in the US?
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By virtue of the fact that it is not alive, it is impossible for the product to be "healthy." The dispute should be over whether it is healthful.
Meh, that particular grammatical ship has sailed.
But yeah, it's water with flavoring and coloring. It's no better for you than Crystal Light, which is low-calorie, but full of artificial nastiness that isn't exactly good for you.
I'll be happy when we can buy red potions to heal our bodies, green potions to heal our minds, and blue potions to heal both. Those would be awe to the some.
They will be sold by travelling merchants and old ladies. Or travelling old lady merchants. Just because.
I'll be happy when I dont' have to buy potions, and can just draw symbols on the ground and say "Narokath Santak Chattur'gha!" and be totally healed of any ailment or injury. And can you imagine what Xel'lotath-aligned healing spells would do for the state of mental-health care in the US?
:D Man, that was a good game. :D
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Hard to say since this is full of sugar..
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I'll be happy when I dont' have to buy potions, and can just draw symbols on the ground and say "Narokath Santak Chattur'gha!" and be totally healed of any ailment or injury. And can you imagine what Xel'lotath-aligned healing spells would do for the state of mental-health care in the US?
Hate you so hard... I love Eternal Darkness, but it freaks me out too hard, so I can't play it!
*grumbles and goes back to playing Fallout 3, instead*
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I'll be happy when I dont' have to buy potions, and can just draw symbols on the ground and say "Narokath Santak Chattur'gha!" and be totally healed of any ailment or injury. And can you imagine what Xel'lotath-aligned healing spells would do for the state of mental-health care in the US?
Hate you so hard... I love Eternal Darkness, but it freaks me out too hard, so I can't play it!
*grumbles and goes back to playing Fallout 3, instead*
I adore it, but it certainly isn't a game to play alone in the dark.
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I'll be happy when I dont' have to buy potions, and can just draw symbols on the ground and say "Narokath Santak Chattur'gha!" and be totally healed of any ailment or injury. And can you imagine what Xel'lotath-aligned healing spells would do for the state of mental-health care in the US?
Hate you so hard... I love Eternal Darkness, but it freaks me out too hard, so I can't play it!
*grumbles and goes back to playing Fallout 3, instead*
I adore it, but it certainly isn't a game to play alone in the dark.
You're seeking your doom, dear...