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Community => Religion and Philosophy => Topic started by: rageaholic on February 11, 2012, 05:08:05 pm
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I don't know if anyone has seen this latest popular video on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY
On the surface, he does have some good criticisms of religion. The politics, the rules, the striving to please god. He says that Jesus was about "god finding you" and not "you finding god". On the other hand, I'm skeptical that he's really hating "religion". I hear the same line from so many other Christians online and they still come across as religious (as does this guy).
Not fundie, but more of a religious moderate/new age Jesus Freak type.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scEu9vjsz2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCHG7rgnQcw
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Damn. They ripped that guy a new stigmata.
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Yeah those response videos hit it spot on. What he's offering is nothing new. He still believes the sin crap, still implies only Christians go to heaven, and has similar "sex is evulz" views. He's not hateful like some of the people quoted on the main site, nor does he resort to insane troll logic like some of the apologists (Ray Comfort), but he's being dishonest by claiming to "hate religion" while still living for a god.
And that Mark Driscoll guy, holy shit...
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He made an even worse one after that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4OK9DmLpCY
Your marriage is invalid if you don't believe in Jesus derp!
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Wow really?
Ironbite-that's just some spectacular fail right there.
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He made an even worse one after that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4OK9DmLpCY
Your marriage is invalid if you don't believe in Jesus derp!
Dear asshole,
One of my best friends is a devout Christian. She loves God and Jesus very much. She was raised in a Christian household and believes every word of the Bible. Her parents do too. The Church is a very big part of their lives. According to you, this is the foundation of a healthy family.
So tell me, then, why she can't help but burst into tears when she gets a bad grade on a test, simply because she is afraid of the verbal abuse her parents will heap on her when she gets home? Is this the act of a healthy Christian home that bases its values on the teachings of Jesus? Do healthy Christian homes call their daughters "trash" and threaten to sabotage all their opportunities in life? Do they drive their children - their happy, intelligent, kind children - to contemplate suicide? Is that your definition of a healthy Christian family?
You might say you were born out of wedlock, and you might say you were saved. ("Spotless, blameless, no sin in you" sure does seem to sum up how you view yourself.) But that never gives you the authority to judge. Heck, according to your own religion, only God can judge! Do you speak for God? Are you his Son? Were you handed the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai? Were you conceived in a Virgin's womb? Were you nailed to a cross and resurrected from the dead? But most of all, did you preach a message of peace, redemption, and turning the other cheek? Yeah, I didn't think so.
Love,
Wykked Wytch
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Oh, Spoken Word. Beautiful poetry, preachy shit. I saw one that said that doing good deeds was just being selfish and that what you actually needed to do was put your trust in God.
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He made an even worse one after that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4OK9DmLpCY
Your marriage is invalid if you don't believe in Jesus derp!
Yeah, I'm going to take marriage advice from some twenty-something-year-old who probably isn't even married.
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I know he isn't the most popular guy at the moment, but here is another, IMO, worthwhile response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBo7Z_abiLE
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If all his videos were more like that, then TAA would actually be a likeable person.
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TAA pwned this guy. Especially his reaction to us supposidly deserving a painful death followed by eternal punishment. That's the most ridiculous part of Christianity.
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He made an even worse one after that.
(clip!)
Your marriage is invalid if you don't believe in Jesus derp!
Ya know...he makes a point. You really -should- be friends before you actually engage in a relationship, let alone marriage. Its too bad that message gets lost in his preachy bullshit.
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Yeah, I'm going to take marriage advice from some twenty-something-year-old who probably isn't even married.
Well, people ask celibate priest for marriage advice
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Yeah, I'm going to take marriage advice from some twenty-something-year-old who probably isn't even married.
Well, people ask celibate priest for marriage advice
You're not helping his credibility there.
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Yeah, I'm going to take marriage advice from some twenty-something-year-old who probably isn't even married.
He flat out said that.
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While his videos may not be the best, at least he's on the right track. Everyone has to start somewhere, and progress forward. If he can keep up with this logic and way of thinking, he just might come to the rational conclusion. And he's much farther ahead than most xtians in this country.
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No. He's not on the right track and his reasoning has nothing commendable to it.
To redefine the parts of Christianity you dislike as "religion" and everything else as "following Jesus" is nothing but a semantic trick. It's giving himself a free pass to ignore the failures of his fellow Christians by saying "Those guys are religious, they are nothing like me", instead of seeing that he might have some of those failures himself and maybe realising that accepting Jesus does not actually make you a good person. It's not a way forward, it's an excuse from self-evaluation.
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No. He's not on the right track and his reasoning has nothing commendable to it.
To redefine the parts of Christianity you dislike as "religion" and everything else as "following Jesus" is nothing but a semantic trick. It's giving himself a free pass to ignore the failures of his fellow Christians by saying "Those guys are religious, they are nothing like me", instead of seeing that he might have some of those failures himself and maybe realising that accepting Jesus does not actually make you a good person. It's not a way forward, it's an excuse from self-evaluation.
That makes sense; I can see that. It's not necessarily redefining xtianity in liberal terms, but redefining what it means to be conservative. You're still conservative, you just try to pretend not to be quite an asshole about it.
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No. He's not on the right track and his reasoning has nothing commendable to it.
To redefine the parts of Christianity you dislike as "religion" and everything else as "following Jesus" is nothing but a semantic trick. It's giving himself a free pass to ignore the failures of his fellow Christians by saying "Those guys are religious, they are nothing like me", instead of seeing that he might have some of those failures himself and maybe realising that accepting Jesus does not actually make you a good person. It's not a way forward, it's an excuse from self-evaluation.
That makes sense; I can see that. It's not necessarily redefining xtianity in liberal terms, but redefining what it means to be conservative. You're still conservative, you just try to pretend not to be quite an asshole about it.
Except for the part where he's still being an asshole about it. He's basically saying that because he's had all his sins forgiven by Jesus, he doesn't need to admit to his faults anymore because he's resolved it with God, and that's what matters.
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No. He's not on the right track and his reasoning has nothing commendable to it.
To redefine the parts of Christianity you dislike as "religion" and everything else as "following Jesus" is nothing but a semantic trick. It's giving himself a free pass to ignore the failures of his fellow Christians by saying "Those guys are religious, they are nothing like me", instead of seeing that he might have some of those failures himself and maybe realising that accepting Jesus does not actually make you a good person. It's not a way forward, it's an excuse from self-evaluation.
That makes sense; I can see that. It's not necessarily redefining xtianity in liberal terms, but redefining what it means to be conservative. You're still conservative, you just try to pretend not to be quite an asshole about it.
Except for the part where he's still being an asshole about it. He's basically saying that because he's had all his sins forgiven by Jesus, he doesn't need to admit to his faults anymore because he's resolved it with God, and that's what matters.
I like the fundy thinking on that: everyone's a sinner, until you accept Jesus. Then, nothing you do is wrong, because, you're 'saved'.
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Lots of people like that way of thinking. It resolves them of responsibility.
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Lots of people like that way of thinking. It resolves them of responsibility.
That's something I never understood about xtianity, and especially certain sects within it, like Calvinism. The whole "once saved, always saved" thing never really sat well with me. It's almost funny how they think rapists, murderers, war-mongers, and the like, will get into heaven just for repeating a prayer, while people like MLK, Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, and such, are headed straight to hell.
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Lots of people like that way of thinking. It resolves them of responsibility.
That's something I never understood about xtianity, and especially certain sects within it, like Calvinism. The whole "once saved, always saved" thing never really sat well with me. It's almost funny how they think rapists, murderers, war-mongers, and the like, will get into heaven just for repeating a prayer, while people like MLK, Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, and such, are headed straight to hell.
They only believe that to a certain extent. They think that a certain breed of human is so evil that even praying won't save them. That would obviously include your Hitlers, Charles Mansons, etc... so basically, it's that you have to do good works and pray to Jeezus (or at least not be an atrocious human being).
As far as fundy beliefs go... eh, it's not the worst. Depends largely on who's talking though. A lot of people could make the words "love thy neighbor" into a negative thing. I don't get it.
Incidentally, that's part of the reason I've always liked Buddhists - they're far more Christian than Christians, in that they tend to be softer-spoken, less aggressive, non-evangelical about their religion, live by example... and seem to be happier and healthier for it. It's an attractive religion and if I could bring myself to believe anything again... it'd likely be that.
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Lots of people like that way of thinking. It resolves them of responsibility.
That's something I never understood about xtianity, and especially certain sects within it, like Calvinism. The whole "once saved, always saved" thing never really sat well with me. It's almost funny how they think rapists, murderers, war-mongers, and the like, will get into heaven just for repeating a prayer, while people like MLK, Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, and such, are headed straight to hell.
They only believe that to a certain extent. They think that a certain breed of human is so evil that even praying won't save them. That would obviously include your Hitlers, Charles Mansons, etc... so basically, it's that you have to do good works and pray to Jeezus (or at least not be an atrocious human being).
As far as fundy beliefs go... eh, it's not the worst. Depends largely on who's talking though. A lot of people could make the words "love thy neighbor" into a negative thing. I don't get it.
Incidentally, that's part of the reason I've always liked Buddhists - they're far more Christian than Christians, in that they tend to be softer-spoken, less aggressive, non-evangelical about their religion, live by example... and seem to be happier and healthier for it. It's an attractive religion and if I could bring myself to believe anything again... it'd likely be that.
That was me when I left xtianity. I didn't like the dogma, the god-belief, or anything else that went along with it, but I knew that I was still spiritual. And Buddhism fit exactly what I was looking for. I'm happier now than I ever have been, even through all of the crap I've had to go through recently.
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That's something I never understood about xtianity, and especially certain sects within it, like Calvinism. The whole "once saved, always saved" thing never really sat well with me. It's almost funny how they think rapists, murderers, war-mongers, and the like, will get into heaven just for repeating a prayer, while people like MLK, Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, and such, are headed straight to hell.
Which is, though it has its faults, I like Catholicism. You have to keep refreshing your soul through confession, no instant Get Out of Jail Free card. 'Course, that brings in a whole other stupid thing, because if you just happen to get hit by a car on your way to Confession, welp, you're screwed.
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That's something I never understood about xtianity, and especially certain sects within it, like Calvinism. The whole "once saved, always saved" thing never really sat well with me. It's almost funny how they think rapists, murderers, war-mongers, and the like, will get into heaven just for repeating a prayer, while people like MLK, Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, and such, are headed straight to hell.
Which is, though it has its faults, I like Catholicism. You have to keep refreshing your soul through confession, no instant Get Out of Jail Free card. 'Course, that brings in a whole other stupid thing, because if you just happen to get hit by a car on your way to Confession, welp, you're screwed.
That's god's favorite prank.
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That's something I never understood about xtianity, and especially certain sects within it, like Calvinism. The whole "once saved, always saved" thing never really sat well with me. It's almost funny how they think rapists, murderers, war-mongers, and the like, will get into heaven just for repeating a prayer, while people like MLK, Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, and such, are headed straight to hell.
Which is, though it has its faults, I like Catholicism. You have to keep refreshing your soul through confession, no instant Get Out of Jail Free card. 'Course, that brings in a whole other stupid thing, because if you just happen to get hit by a car on your way to Confession, welp, you're screwed.
That's god's favorite prank.
So what happened to fossils, then?
Also, confessing your wrongdoings to a third party (priest) is a copout. Apologize to the person/s you wronged, not someone who's completely unaffected by your actions.
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That's something I never understood about xtianity, and especially certain sects within it, like Calvinism. The whole "once saved, always saved" thing never really sat well with me. It's almost funny how they think rapists, murderers, war-mongers, and the like, will get into heaven just for repeating a prayer, while people like MLK, Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, and such, are headed straight to hell.
Which is, though it has its faults, I like Catholicism. You have to keep refreshing your soul through confession, no instant Get Out of Jail Free card. 'Course, that brings in a whole other stupid thing, because if you just happen to get hit by a car on your way to Confession, welp, you're screwed.
That's god's favorite prank.
So what happened to fossils, then?
Also, confessing your wrongdoings to a third party (priest) is a copout. Apologize to the person/s you wronged, not someone who's completely unaffected by your actions.
This is why you see cults of personality in xtianity. Catholics believe that the priest stands in for god, and that the Pope is god's vicar on earth, the clergy is basically given the status of demi-gods. And then people wonder why televangelists like Benny Hinn have such large followings, even though he's a known nutjob.
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What makes this guy not "right idea, wrong conclusion" & drops him strictly into assholeville to me is the fact that his church IS one of those megachurches with the ultra-hypocritical-dogmatic pastors. There's no way he can't know that. He just lied to us to try & sell his church. "Not religious" my atheist ass.
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I have a lot to say about this guy but I will say this the title is ultramisleading I was thinking it was something like
I accept Jesus as my lord and savior but I reject organized religion
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This guy has shown up in my Youtube inbox so many times from people Liking his video I can't help but wonder if the people I'm watching are actually listening to what he's saying.
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Of course not, Zacky. Listening takes actual effort, and we all know how much God hates that.
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What's funny is that there's a good chance he's calling them false Christians...& they don't even realize it.