http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/11/st-louis-protesters-officer-teenager (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/11/st-louis-protesters-officer-teenager)Would you please stop harping about that cartoon? It made a good point.
Police shoot black kid for supposedly stealing candy.
This is why I thought that cartoon about "Dangerous Perceptions" was bullshit people.
Mods, could you just delete this.Why? There's no need to delete this.
Hooray, a new incident to give my friend's racist roommate something to harass me about!The murder?
Hooray, a new incident to give my friend's racist roommate something to harass me about!The murder?
If he brings up the looting remind him of soccer riots.
I just called Ferguson police chief to ask about @WesleyLowery and @ryanjreilly, told him what I knew. His response: "Oh, God."
Two reporters were arrested, this is what happened when a third one asked about them:I think it's a symptom of the paranoia all too common in law enforcement since 9/11.QuoteI just called Ferguson police chief to ask about @WesleyLowery and @ryanjreilly, told him what I knew. His response: "Oh, God."
...Ok. Didn't the chief of police know about the arrest? Because this is yet another implication that the cops on the scene are getting out of control. And having snipers AIMING at unarmed protestors? Why on Earth would you do that? Assault rifles drawn at UNARMED protestors?
That is not how you contain a peaceful protest. I understand police being there, I understand the need to be cautious, but this is not how you handle a protest or even a riot.
I see them armed for Fallujah rather than a riot. Where are the riot shields, water cannons, tear gas and shotguns with beanbag ammo? Even those should not be used against a peaceful protest BUT AT LEAST I would understand having them as a precaution in case the protest turns into a riot. These guys aren't prepared to contain anything, they are armed to KILL the rioters. I am seriously questioning their training and though processes.
Gun safety 101: don't aim your weapon at anything you do not plan on shooting at.
This means the cops were either planning of slaughtering dozens of protestors, or they're idiots who shouldn't be allowed to hold anything more dangerous than a nerf gun.
Welp, we can officially call this a free speech issue. But they totally CAN'T be restricting our freedoms, they're not taking away our guns! It's almost like GUN DON'T FUCKING MATTER WHEN FREE SPEECH IS ON THE LINE.
County Police Chief Jon Belmar said his officers have responded with "an incredible amount of restraint" as they've had rocks and bottles thrown at them, been shot at and had two dozen patrol vehicles destroyed.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/scrutiny-police-response-increases-ferguson-24973520QuoteCounty Police Chief Jon Belmar said his officers have responded with "an incredible amount of restraint" as they've had rocks and bottles thrown at them, been shot at and had two dozen patrol vehicles destroyed.
So the protesters have actually used firearms? And there are also several claims that the protestors have been wildly rioting and looting stores. Granted that these claims come from people who describe the protestors as "chimps" and "nignogs" and talk about chimpout unironically so I am not taking those claims seriously until I see actual citations and proof.
Welp, we can officially call this a free speech issue. But they totally CAN'T be restricting our freedoms, they're not taking away our guns! It's almost like GUN DON'T FUCKING MATTER WHEN FREE SPEECH IS ON THE LINE.
What the fuck does this have to do with gun control?
NEENAH, Wis. — Inside the municipal garage of this small lakefront city, parked next to the hefty orange snowplow, sits an even larger truck, this one painted in desert khaki. Weighing 30 tons and built to withstand land mines, the armored combat vehicle is one of hundreds showing up across the country, in police departments big and small.
The 9-foot-tall armored truck was intended for an overseas battlefield. But as President Obama ushers in the end of what he called America’s “long season of war,” the former tools of combat — M-16 rifles, grenade launchers, silencers and more — are ending up in local police departments, often with little public notice.
During the Obama administration, according to Pentagon data, police departments have received tens of thousands of machine guns; nearly 200,000 ammunition magazines; thousands of pieces of camouflage and night-vision equipment; and hundreds of silencers, armored cars and aircraft.
The equipment has been added to the armories of police departments that already look and act like military units. Police SWAT teams are now deployed tens of thousands of times each year, increasingly for routine jobs. Masked, heavily armed police officers in Louisiana raided a nightclub in 2006 as part of a liquor inspection. In Florida in 2010, officers in SWAT gear and with guns drawn carried out raids on barbershops that mostly led only to charges of “barbering without a license.”
QuoteThey don't have the right to tell you to do that, and certainly not the right to shoot at you with rubber bullets if you don't listen.
Actually they do have the right to get you off the streets. It isn't your say to be over the power of the law. They were keeping them safe till they threw bricks. They shouldn't have been protesting over a death of a child. This thing happens every day but nobody cares till "the police brutality" shit started.
Protesting at night. Isn't that what caused the looting and the fires? Unfortunatly these people can't be trusted to not destroy the town and need to be watched and told by police to go home.
It isn't a race fight. There are many reasons things happen to the races. White men get called out on doing wrong things, Latino community gets called out on stereotypical things and the black community gets called out for their own problems. The reason these races get called out is because of how we make ourselves out to be towards others.
They treat the blacks and Latinos this way only because we make ourselves seem bad.
Black people came and started to look from grocery stores and side stores after this happened. Obviously nobody cares.. It's just another death
Every single thing that happens is justified because looting. That's what a lot of these situations seem to boil down to.That's why I was annoyed at the looters. They gave these assholes the excuse they need to justify the police action in their minds and takes the attention away from the actual protest. I understand the anger and the public reaction turning against the protesters is unjustified even with the looting but it was still a dumb move.
I think the main problem is that the militarization of the police since 9/11 has led all too many cops to think of themselves as soldiers.I'd imagine a number of things cause police brutality.
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/despite-reports-swat-team-helped-al-jazeera-reporters-did-not-take-their-equipment/
Well, this article came up. Sorry if I don't exactly trust the county police because I have yet to see the Al-Jazeera crew that this happened to make a statement.
EDIT: Oh, hey, Here's the first person account. (http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/live-news/2014/8/al-jazeera-americareportergetshitwithteargasinferguson.html) Guess what he doesn't say the police did?
So it's obviously just a police riot. Obviously none of the responsible will be punished, but perhaps some of the victims may escape legal repercussions.
The robber took a box of Swisher Sweets Cigars valued at $48.99. The suspects were identified as 18-year-old Michael Brown and 22-year-old Dorian Johnson, according to the reports.
. . .
Johnson, Brown's friend, told investigators that Brown "did take cigarillos," his attorney, Freeman Bosley, told MSNBC. Bosley said he was aware of video but had not seen it.
Okay, so since this topic hasn't gotten much attention I'll post about everything that's been going on since.
* As you see in the video, cops fired on a peaceful protest with tear gas and rubber buckshot, and other photos show them with pepperball guns. No evidence that any actual live ammunition has been fired, though the cops have made spurious claims of the protesters shooting that are not backed up by any other evidence. A limited amount of looting and burning was done on the first night of the protests, and has not been repeated. Despite claims by the police of over a dozen cop cars being destroyed by rioters, there is likewise no evidence.
* The Huffington Post and Washington Post had reporters in a local McDonalds filming the action. The county police (the riot cop/SWAT guys) burst in to kick everyone out, then arrested the reporters for not moving fast enough. The St. Louis chief of police was called and had no idea this was going on. Apparently the riot cops were essentially acting with no higher authority to control them and were basically allowed to roam free and act out their wannabe soldier power trips.
* Al-Jazeera's reporters were shot with rubber buckshot and had a tear gas canister fired at them despite very obviously being the press (they had cameras and lights on tripods set up). The police came after driving them off and dismantled their gear. They later attempted to claim that the reporters were shot at by accident and the police hustled them into an APC for their safety and were just taking down their gear to help pack up. The reporters have called bullshit on them.
* This afternoon, the governor officially pulled the county police out and had them replaced with the state police, led by Capt. Johnson (a black man who grew up in the neighborhood), which included many black cops. Shockingly enough, treating the protesters like human beings and allowing them to peacefully address their grievances calmed everything down immediately.
* The protesters marched peacefully for the rest of the day and night, accompanied by regular uniformed police with no riot gear. Someone in the crowd was injured by a vehicle or fell ill and a police SUV took her to the hospital, with the New Black Panthers acting as impromptu traffic police. The St. Louis police chief arrived to meet with the protesters and take selfies (http://i.imgur.com/SGdaC6h.jpg).
* NYC and St. Louis held their own protests. The NYPD temporarily corralled the protesters and 4 people were arrested (including Jason Woody, one of the big Occupy protesters), but the rest were allowed to exit the area. A live streamer filming it attempted to stir up the crowd by screaming that the cops would arrest thousands, but everyone in the crowd told him to shut the fuck up.
The exact events that resulted in the eventual altercation are still not factually known.
Well except for the fact they literally have video of Brown robbing the store and roughing up the clerk.
Unless Brown was armed and was about to open fire it's not relevant.
Well except for the fact they literally have video of Brown robbing the store and roughing up the clerk.
I HOPE that the local and county police get what should be coming to them, but I doubt it. At the very least, the FBI has launched their own investigation and I think it's far more likely to get justice from them than from the county police because, yes, it's SO relevant to know that Brown was a suspect in a robbery that the shooter was unaware of!
I HOPE that the local and county police get what should be coming to them, but I doubt it. At the very least, the FBI has launched their own investigation and I think it's far more likely to get justice from them than from the county police because, yes, it's SO relevant to know that Brown was a suspect in a robbery that the shooter was unaware of!
Ah, yes. Apparently one can change their clothes in a instant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWwkEbYIl_0
One week and it's already being called a hoax.
I HOPE that the local and county police get what should be coming to them, but I doubt it. At the very least, the FBI has launched their own investigation and I think it's far more likely to get justice from them than from the county police because, yes, it's SO relevant to know that Brown was a suspect in a robbery that the shooter was unaware of!
Ah, yes. Apparently one can change their clothes in a instant.
I don't get where this "change clothes" thing comes from. The suspect in the video and Brown's body are visibly wearing the same outfit right down to the gaudy socks/sandals combo. The red hat is visible in other crime scene photos as well.
Person in the video is actually wearing sneakers. Brown is wearing that socks/sandals combo that should've lead to a beatdown by someone. Terrible choice.
You guys do realize that by arguing this, you're just derailing the conversation, which was likely the POINT of releasing the robbery video in the first place, right?
Well except for the fact they literally have video of Brown robbing the store and roughing up the clerk.
While true, the relevance this has on the case of the murder is non-existent.
It's not an argument. The fact that Brown is the guy in the video is a fact. It has no bearing on whether or not it was legal to shoot him while he was unarmed, but it's ridiculous to assert that it must have been someone else when all evidence says the contrary and I'm going to point out when someone is wrong about it.
You don't have to be armed to be a threat to a police officers life, or anyone elses.
Well except for the fact they literally have video of Brown robbing the store and roughing up the clerk.
While true, the relevance this has on the case of the murder is non-existent.
How do you know it was a murder? Thing is you, and just about everyone else on the planet don't. The cop may in fact be guilty, or he may have been assaulted and opened fire.It's not an argument. The fact that Brown is the guy in the video is a fact. It has no bearing on whether or not it was legal to shoot him while he was unarmed, but it's ridiculous to assert that it must have been someone else when all evidence says the contrary and I'm going to point out when someone is wrong about it.
You don't have to be armed to be a threat to a police officers life, or anyone elses.
I hate to sound naive, but don't cops have tazers and/or pepper spray and/or a baton for dealing with criminals in a non-lethal way?
I meant that even if the kid was charging at him he should have been able to deal with him via tazer or something.I hate to sound naive, but don't cops have tazers and/or pepper spray and/or a baton for dealing with criminals in a non-lethal way?
... And beanbag shotgun shells, LRAD, pepperballs...
(I almost misspelled shotgun as "shitgun", but autocorrect caught it.)
I meant that even if the kid was charging at him he should have been able to deal with him via tazer or something.I hate to sound naive, but don't cops have tazers and/or pepper spray and/or a baton for dealing with criminals in a non-lethal way?
... And beanbag shotgun shells, LRAD, pepperballs...
(I almost misspelled shotgun as "shitgun", but autocorrect caught it.)
The report from the police are that Brown and the officer were struggling in the car when the first shot took place, the officer than continued to fire as Brown fled. The whole incident probably took only a few seconds, if it did play out as the police said. In that case the officer is not going to be guilty of any wrongdoing. Brown being 35 feet away is not going to matter. Police are trained that once they decide to use dealy force to continue until the threat is neutralized.
Not to mention that Brown and the police officer were struggling in the first place because the police officer attempted to drag him into the car.
It was the police officer who initiated conflict in the first place. All because a couple of black people were walking down the middle of the street.
Not to mention that Brown and the police officer were struggling in the first place because the police officer attempted to drag him into the car.
It was the police officer who initiated conflict in the first place. All because a couple of black people were walking down the middle of the street.
That is one of the other things that does not make sense. Unless you are competing in a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you don't try and pull someone on top of you.
The report from the police are that Brown and the officer were struggling in the car when the first shot took place, the officer than continued to fire as Brown fled. The whole incident probably took only a few seconds, if it did play out as the police said. In that case the officer is not going to be guilty of any wrongdoing. Brown being 35 feet away is not going to matter. Police are trained that once they decide to use dealy force to continue until the threat is neutralized.That's the military you're thinking of.
What about his thinking of?The report from the police are that Brown and the officer were struggling in the car when the first shot took place, the officer than continued to fire as Brown fled. The whole incident probably took only a few seconds, if it did play out as the police said. In that case the officer is not going to be guilty of any wrongdoing. Brown being 35 feet away is not going to matter. Police are trained that once they decide to use dealy force to continue until the threat is neutralized.That's the military your thinking of.
For those with a little faith in humanity left, sorry I have to squelch some of it.
The Klan is doing a fundraising drive for the policeman who shot Michael Brown (http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/08/13/kkk-raising-money-for-police-officer-who-shot-african-american-teen/).
Frankly, with this cops, at this point I wouldn't believe them if they told me rain was wet.
Wow...brave of them to leave the media area. But still stupid to put themselves in danger.
Ironbite-this whole situation is just insane.
I find it consistent with what I know about the USA that lots of white people who have never had to be racially profiled are thinking the police are doing a bang-up job.Most Americans aren't racist. And things are a lot better here than in, say, Italy.
Paint a black person as a thief and suddenly, everything is justifiable.
I hate this racist country.
Seriously, watch the live streams tonight and compare them to how the mass media reports it. It's the best way to realize just how full of shit the current CNN/MSNBC/Fox narrative is.I swear, it's like they're operating out of alternate universes or something.
Seriously, watch the live streams tonight and compare them to how the mass media reports it. It's the best way to realize just how full of shit the current CNN/MSNBC/Fox narrative is.MSNBC?
MSNBC is full of bullshit too. But I'm surprised at the stance they're taking on this.Seriously, watch the live streams tonight and compare them to how the mass media reports it. It's the best way to realize just how full of shit the current CNN/MSNBC/Fox narrative is.MSNBC?
I'm not surprised that Fox or "Prmising Younge Men" CNN are trying to push "teh spookeh negros" BS on us, but MSNBC is generally a fairly non-bulshitty Newssource.
Apparently the cops are already trying to harangue journalists and protesters. They won't even let people stop walking.
I know it seems crazy for me to be all "Don't trust the media" like some kind of whacko conspiracy theorist, but I watched this shit happen with my own eyes, at least as close as I could without actually flying to Ferguson. What's happening on the ground through the completely uncensored streams doesn't match the narrative the cops and media are trying to push. The protests aren't violent. There's no riots. Molotovs aren't being thrown and protesters aren't shooting at the police. It's all lie after lie, and thousands of people are watching it happen.
In fact, the protesters have been trying to stop the violence. The vandals and looters are criminals taking advantage of the chaos, but the way the media makes it look the protest is a riot. It's all an attempt to justify to the public why they keep launching tear gas and firing rubber and wooden bullets at peaceful protesters and journalists.
Apparently the cops are already trying to harangue journalists and protesters. They won't even let people stop walking.
I know it seems crazy for me to be all "Don't trust the media" like some kind of whacko conspiracy theorist, but I watched this shit happen with my own eyes, at least as close as I could without actually flying to Ferguson. What's happening on the ground through the completely uncensored streams doesn't match the narrative the cops and media are trying to push. The protests aren't violent. There's no riots. Molotovs aren't being thrown and protesters aren't shooting at the police. It's all lie after lie, and thousands of people are watching it happen.
In fact, the protesters have been trying to stop the violence. The vandals and looters are criminals taking advantage of the chaos, but the way the media makes it look the protest is a riot. It's all an attempt to justify to the public why they keep launching tear gas and firing rubber and wooden bullets at peaceful protesters and journalists.
Got a link to the stream and when I should start watching for the shit going down?
I find it consistent with what I know about the USA that lots of white people who have never had to be racially profiled are thinking the police are doing a bang-up job.Most Americans aren't racist. And things are a lot better here than in, say, Italy.
Paint a black person as a thief and suddenly, everything is justifiable.
I hate this racist country.
At this point, the only way the victims can get any fairness is if the entire Ferguson police force goes to jail for years.I don't think it's that bad, but the Ferguson police is in serious need of reform.
If a guy can get a life sentence for pirating, I don't see why the Ferguson police shouldn't spend years in jail for repeatedly assaulting a populace.I see your point. But punishment must be restricted to the guilty, for both practical and moral reasons.
I cling to the distant hope that outside the cults of Fox New's and CNN's cults most Americans will be able to see through the bullshit, doubtful though.MSNBC is full of bullshit too. But I'm surprised at the stance they're taking on this.Seriously, watch the live streams tonight and compare them to how the mass media reports it. It's the best way to realize just how full of shit the current CNN/MSNBC/Fox narrative is.MSNBC?
I'm not surprised that Fox or "Prmising Younge Men" CNN are trying to push "teh spookeh negros" BS on us, but MSNBC is generally a fairly non-bulshitty Newssource.
I kinda want to go and buy up all the gas masks and filters I can and start handing them out to protestors.I would recommend wearing a mask that was darkened.
The cops are arresting anyone who stands still for too long or walks too slowly when asked to move. They're trying to force an inability to congregate.
They arrested two guys on the Vice stream, though some have said that he threatened the cop first. The cops tried to keep the press from filming it.
It's gone haywire.Holy shit.
The cops have dispersed the protest, but they're hunting people down. People are fleeing through the suburbs as police fire tear gas into yards. Two journalists got encircled in an apartment parking lot and were directly hit by tear gas canisters. They're arresting and shooting at everyone moving outside. The victims are live Tweeting. A reporter for The Intercept just got arrested.
Who fucking needs the Purge when you've got this?
Edit: (http://i.imgur.com/NKRmqxc.jpg)
The Crips and Bloods have joined forces to defend businesses.
This really is a work of fiction. This can't be real.
This is reminding me more and more of the LA Riots.How?
This is like something out of a movie. I've never seen anything like it.Besides the fact the Ferguson police are cunts.
I'm also hearing reports of witnesses stating that Brown never robbed the original store they were in, that he paid for the cigars. But it's hard to confirm anything at this point.
I think if there's two rival gangs that hate the fuck out of each other and kill each other on sight ARE TEAMING UP AGAINST YOU, here's a hint: You're in the wrong, Ferguson PD!If those business get looted, then who are they going to shake down for protection money?
John Oliver sums up the situation brilliantly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwUZOZN-9dc
I think if there's two rival gangs that hate the fuck out of each other and kill each other on sight ARE TEAMING UP AGAINST YOU, here's a hint: You're in the wrong, Ferguson PD!If those business get looted, then who are they going to shake down for protection money?
This is like something out of a movie. I've never seen anything like it.
I'm also hearing reports of witnesses stating that Brown never robbed the original store they were in, that he paid for the cigars. But it's hard to confirm anything at this point.
The police press report last night was another load of bullshit. They keep trying to fudge the timeline so it seems like the protesters are throwing shit and that incites the cops to use force. I watched it with my own eyes. It's always the police who escalate it; the protesters are totally peaceful until the riot cops start trying to force a dispersal or use the LRAD.These morons are worse liars than Putin.
Captain Johnson even claimed that homemade bombs were being thrown. They weren't. Trust me, we would have seen it. The one building that got set on fire (ironically a barbecue restaurant) is believed to have been lit up by a burning tear gas canister.
This is like something out of a movie. I've never seen anything like it.
I'm also hearing reports of witnesses stating that Brown never robbed the original store they were in, that he paid for the cigars. But it's hard to confirm anything at this point.
Well, the store's lawyer confirmed that they never filed a robbery report.
Right now the best Ferguson police can say is they're just incompetent.
John Oliver sums up the situation brilliantly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwUZOZN-9dc
Fixed link for ya. and John Oliver is really doing fuckin' great on his new show.
EDIT: I think you meant to have this as your link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A
Frankly, with this cops, at this point I wouldn't believe them if they told me rain was wet.
Bottles are being thrown, and a phone was possibly stolen.
Edit: Ok, they have the rifles out and pointed at people.
Edit: Ok, they have the rifles out and pointed at people.
Jesus, I'm almost ready to believe that actual military control wouldn't be half as bad as this is getting.
Bottles are being thrown, and a phone was possibly stolen.
Honestly considering the police have spent the last several days aiming guns at people and throwing tear gas the protestors reaction is benign as fuck.
Whose leading the county police, kriffing Esdese or something?
Doesn't that violate several amendments? First with Freedom of the Press and Fourth with Unreasonable Search and Seizure, at the very least?
Doesn't that violate several amendments? First with Freedom of the Press and Fourth with Unreasonable Search and Seizure, at the very least?
You know, I'm wondering if they'll ever be any actual change over this?Let's not throw in the towel just yet. You can't expect change to happen overnight.
Probably not.
The killer will get off scott free (with an sweet 200k to boot), the cops will maintain martial law for god knows how long, the media will portray this as "ignorant negroes gettin uppity", and no laws will be passed to prevent this kind of thing from happening again.
Silly me, i though there was gonna be actual change!
Okay, I suppose it's pretty impatient, but i just hope something changes.You know, I'm wondering if they'll ever be any actual change over this?Let's not throw in the towel just yet. You can't expect change to happen overnight.
Probably not.
The killer will get off scott free (with an sweet 200k to boot), the cops will maintain martial law for god knows how long, the media will portray this as "ignorant negroes gettin uppity", and no laws will be passed to prevent this kind of thing from happening again.
Silly me, i though there was gonna be actual change!
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket)
They also claim Wilson was assaulted and beaten.
Ah, I probably should have mentioned that aspect.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket)
They also claim Wilson was assaulted and beaten.
I think you should mention that according to that article the picture they published as proof of his injuries was fake. Because if they had simply SAID that he was injured we would have been forced to wait until there was evidence one way or other but instead they IMMEDIATELY published falsified evidence so we can go straigth to calling them liars.
Civil protests and a political campaign for uprooting the corruption in the police forces?Better.
Civil protests and a political campaign for uprooting the corruption in the police forces?
Well, ain't that some shit? Something might actually be done, for once.
The cops can just turn the camera off, as shown in this article.OH, that is just WRONG. I really like the idea of body cameras BECAUSE IT HELPS THE HONEST COPS AS WELL and turning it off should cause an automatic investigation even if no one gets shot.
http://jonathanturley.org/2014/08/19/new-orleans-police-officer-turns-off-body-camera-minutes-before-shooting-suspect-in-forehead/ (http://jonathanturley.org/2014/08/19/new-orleans-police-officer-turns-off-body-camera-minutes-before-shooting-suspect-in-forehead/)
New details on the case:FTFY
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cnn-new-video-shows-eyewitnesses-michael-brown-shooting (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cnn-new-video-shows-eyewitnesses-michael-brown-shooting)
Also, some news on that Wallmart shooting:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/man-who-called-911-in-ohio-walmart-shooting-changes-his-story-after-viewing-video/
(http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/man-who-called-911-in-ohio-walmart-shooting-changes-his-story-after-viewing-video/)
Thank you.New details on the case:FTFY
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cnn-new-video-shows-eyewitnesses-michael-brown-shooting (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cnn-new-video-shows-eyewitnesses-michael-brown-shooting)
Also, some news on that Wallmart shooting:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/man-who-called-911-in-ohio-walmart-shooting-changes-his-story-after-viewing-video/
(http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/man-who-called-911-in-ohio-walmart-shooting-changes-his-story-after-viewing-video/)
Ferguson residents complained about the bracelets, which are black with "I am Darren Wilson" in white lettering, at a meeting with federal officials this week.
Just scrap the entire Ferguson PD and hire private security companies to patrol, instead.
No AR's. No murdering.
Just scrap the entire Ferguson PD and hire private security companies to patrol, instead.
Not to downplay the ongoing disaster in Ferguson, but that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. You're trading out a force that is (supposed to be) accountable to the citizens with forces accountable to whatever maximizes profits.No AR's. No murdering.
New Orleans tried that experiment after Hurricane Katrina (http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/08/secret-history-hurricane-katrina) and they had a lot of armed goons doing a lot of murdering. I do not trust these companies enough to assume the same thing wouldn't happen again.
Re-build the PD with all new hires from far outside of the community.
Re-build the PD with all new hires from far outside of the community.
That's just the trick, isn't it? Part of the problem the Ferguson police had in the first place was that a lot of them lived outside the community, which encouraged them to treat the place like a warzone full of scary black men.
Whatever they decide to do over there, the people that live there need to be in control of the process. Private firms are not accountable to them at the end of the day.
And now a cop's been shot.
http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-police-officer-shot-ferguson-033939406.html (http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-police-officer-shot-ferguson-033939406.html)
Why do I get the feeling things are gonna get even worse?
Re-build the PD with all new hires from far outside of the community.
So how long until the Ferguson Riots start?Huh?
So how long until the Ferguson Riots start?Huh?
Doubt that will happen.So how long until the Ferguson Riots start?Huh?
You know, when the Wilson asshole goes free and the whole city explodes. Kinda like the LA Riots from 20 years ago.
No wait, almost exactly like the LA Riots from 20 years ago.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6474627392f6067623236cca24aa2309/tumblr_namg0k8eC61r0jlbgo1_500.jpg)
This is 2014, people...
So where's the skepticism towards these people receiving threats?
After all, they can just as easily be faking all of this shit. Even/especially the syringe.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6474627392f6067623236cca24aa2309/tumblr_namg0k8eC61r0jlbgo1_500.jpg)
This is 2014, people...QuoteSo where's the skepticism towards these people receiving threats?
After all, they can just as easily be faking all of this shit. Even/especially the syringe.
Somebody started trusting random people on Twitter? After all, the evidence may be there for you to see but it doesn't exist unless you acknowledge it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs
Since when are we not allowed to post the same thing to two threads if the same post applies in both contexts? We're getting a little touchy today, aren't we?
Since when are we not allowed to post the same thing to two threads if the same post applies in both contexts? We're getting a little touchy today, aren't we?
How about this:
I've not had any decent sleep last night.
I've been sick of Gamergate for all month.
I'm sick of having it shoved down my throat in an attempt to force me and others to pick a side.
I'm sick of people trying to drag in drama from other threads.
I'm sick of those same people failing at reading comprehension in the first place.
So yes, I'm more than a little touchy.
Since when are we not allowed to post the same thing to two threads if the same post applies in both contexts? We're getting a little touchy today, aren't we?
How about this:
I've not had any decent sleep last night.
I've been sick of Gamergate for all month.
I'm sick of having it shoved down my throat in an attempt to force me and others to pick a side.
I'm sick of people trying to drag in drama from other threads.
I'm sick of those same people failing at reading comprehension in the first place.
So yes, I'm more than a little touchy.
Since when are we not allowed to post the same thing to two threads if the same post applies in both contexts? We're getting a little touchy today, aren't we?
How about this:
I've not had any decent sleep last night.
I've been sick of Gamergate for all month.
I'm sick of having it shoved down my throat in an attempt to force me and others to pick a side.
I'm sick of people trying to drag in drama from other threads.
I'm sick of those same people failing at reading comprehension in the first place.
So yes, I'm more than a little touchy.
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!
Arrests Sunday night in downtown Ferguson raised accusations that those detained were being held as hostages by police to quiet and break up the crowd.
At one point Sunday night, about 300 people gathered on South Florissant Road across from the Ferguson police station. The Organization for Black Struggle invited their “white allies” to join them with pots and makeshift drums to make a lot of noise, which they beat while chanting.
Eight were arrested on charges of resisting arrest and failure to obey the police.
Protesters, black and white, complained that none were read their Miranda rights. Some believed the arrests were orchestrated by police to gain negotiating leverage with the protesters.
Several legal observers said people appeared to be picked out of the crowd randomly while legally protesting on the sidewalk.
Michael Allen, a building preservation advocate, said he was arrested after locking arms with other protesters and entering the street. Allen said he and others were arrested even after telling police they would return to the sidewalk. Those throwing water bottles at police were left alone, he said. He said he and seven others were put in a police van to be transported to the St. Ann jail for processing.
“Nobody who threw an object was arrested,” Allen said. “They arrested the exact number of people that could fit in the paddy wagon. They filled it with eight people.”
Allen said prior to being transported they were told by a Ferguson officer with no name tag that they would not have to post bail to get out of jail that night and that the process would be quick. The group asked if they would be read their Miranda rights but were told that was unnecessary because they would not be questioned. Allen said he and the others had to sign a form indicating he knew he had been arrested and his charges.
So I've got a dumb question.Sure they do, it's the right of the aryan race can deal with them niggers and nigger lovers when they get uppity!
Do the Ferguson police know what the First Amendment is? (http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-protesters-claim-arrests-were-orchestrated-to-squelch-dissent/article_ec4fa4e8-69b6-5d90-bf40-2c1ce03e8d27.html)QuoteArrests Sunday night in downtown Ferguson raised accusations that those detained were being held as hostages by police to quiet and break up the crowd.
At one point Sunday night, about 300 people gathered on South Florissant Road across from the Ferguson police station. The Organization for Black Struggle invited their “white allies” to join them with pots and makeshift drums to make a lot of noise, which they beat while chanting.
Eight were arrested on charges of resisting arrest and failure to obey the police.
Protesters, black and white, complained that none were read their Miranda rights. Some believed the arrests were orchestrated by police to gain negotiating leverage with the protesters.
Several legal observers said people appeared to be picked out of the crowd randomly while legally protesting on the sidewalk.
Michael Allen, a building preservation advocate, said he was arrested after locking arms with other protesters and entering the street. Allen said he and others were arrested even after telling police they would return to the sidewalk. Those throwing water bottles at police were left alone, he said. He said he and seven others were put in a police van to be transported to the St. Ann jail for processing.
“Nobody who threw an object was arrested,” Allen said. “They arrested the exact number of people that could fit in the paddy wagon. They filled it with eight people.”
Allen said prior to being transported they were told by a Ferguson officer with no name tag that they would not have to post bail to get out of jail that night and that the process would be quick. The group asked if they would be read their Miranda rights but were told that was unnecessary because they would not be questioned. Allen said he and the others had to sign a form indicating he knew he had been arrested and his charges.
Ironbite-cause I'm pretty sure they don't know what the First Amendment is.
Can we just line up the Ferguson police and shoot them all? It's pretty clear by now that every last pig bastard there deserves a firing squad.
Can we just line up the Ferguson police and shoot them all? It's pretty clear by now that every last pig bastard there deserves a firing squad.
Can we just line up the Ferguson police and shoot them all? It's pretty clear by now that every last pig bastard there deserves a firing squad.
Are we really going to have another "all cops are pigs!" argument? You've been really irritating with this issue and don't seem to recognize that the actions of these officers don't extend to police across the nation.
Bringing this back as a grand jury decision is expected any day now.It's gonna be not guilty.
Ironbite-get ready to hit the fallout shelters
That would be if this was a trial. They haven't even voted to indite.I like how the jury just happens to be mostly white in a mostly black city.
Ironbite-hence why I said grand jury
This will probably make the LA Riots look tame. Hoo boy.Or it'll be about as much a riot as it was before.
What was it like, Proggy? I was probably eight and wasn't watching the news at that time. All I've ever seen is brief clips.Chaos. Plain and simple.
It sounds like they're expecting this to turn in to an all out war zone. This is definitely gonna be interesting. The KKK is threatening violence against protesters in a flyer they're spreading apparently.
It sounds like they're expecting this to turn in to an all out war zone. This is definitely gonna be interesting. The KKK is threatening violence against protesters in a flyer they're spreading apparently.
During the August protests, their main method of cracking down was to roll out excessive force and agitate the protesters until even a single bottle was thrown at them, at which point they began firing tear gas and arresting journalists. They then used the media to retroactively justify their assault by spinning the tiny handful of looters and people throwing rocks or bottles into the entire protest being a massive riot that they had to put down.
I think that's their plan here. By presenting a massive show of force and declaring a state of emergency before anything has even occurred, they present the image of Ferguson being a powder keg of black violence waiting to blow. When they begin committing civil rights violations again, they can go "See? We prepared!"
It sounds like they're expecting this to turn in to an all out war zone. This is definitely gonna be interesting. The KKK is threatening violence against protesters in a flyer they're spreading apparently.
During the August protests, their main method of cracking down was to roll out excessive force and agitate the protesters until even a single bottle was thrown at them, at which point they began firing tear gas and arresting journalists. They then used the media to retroactively justify their assault by spinning the tiny handful of looters and people throwing rocks or bottles into the entire protest being a massive riot that they had to put down.
I think that's their plan here. By presenting a massive show of force and declaring a state of emergency before anything has even occurred, they present the image of Ferguson being a powder keg of black violence waiting to blow. When they begin committing civil rights violations again, they can go "See? We prepared!"
I hate to sound like UP for a moment but at least some of those instances where the protest became a "riot" was because of plain clothes officers being planted in the crowd and then after awhile, a bottle gets thrown harmlessly at the police and thus the whole crowd is declared a "riot" and the crack downs begin.
Ironbite-not all but at least some of those "riots" started that way.
Right because weather events take away civil liberties and make second class citizens over people with an average skin tone that is a few shades below barrister white.
Ironbite-exactly what does this prove?
Ferguson is still a dangerous warzone, and most likely, if Wilson goes free, he won't be free and ALIVE for very long.
Oh nice subtle insult there implying that I can't read. But I do ask again. How is what's going on in Ferguson right now even comparable to a natural disaster? It's pears and peaches man. Not even remotely compatable.
There aren't really good or bad guys in such an atmosphere. Just the usual - war is hell, and there are a lot of demons.Well there is actually, the good guys being the peacfull protestors, the bad guys being the cops who have sent dozens of poeple to the hospital for unlawful use of force.
Battan down the hatches folks. The grand jury is done.
Ironbite-prepare for a shit storm
There were no Trayvon Martin verdict riots. There were hundreds of peaceful protests, for many months afterwards, both here and around the world. It was just a very sad and somber day here in Orlando where the verdict was reached.Exactly.
No Lizard. This is going to be nothing like that.I know, my point was that there aren't going to be any riots but the media will start hyping the idea that spooky black ppl gonna get u.
Ironbite-the Ferguson police have made it perfectly clear what the people's right to protest means to them.
"Not Guilty" verdicts gonna be delivered any minute now.
Does it matter? EIther way Wilson gets away scott free."Not Guilty" verdicts gonna be delivered any minute now.
Not charged with anything. This is not a trial dippy.
Ironbite-it's a grand jury
Officer Derren Wilson gets away with murdering Micheal Brown.Yup.
Ironbite-thereby concluding that a black kid's life means nothing.
I have a thought....this is just state charges. Could there be federal charges in the pipeline?
Never mind my question, Vice is live from Ferguson.Well, that's gonna be enough for the media to label them as a bunch of degenerate nigger thugs
https://news.vice.com/article/live-from-the-streets-of-ferguson (https://news.vice.com/article/live-from-the-streets-of-ferguson)
I hear glass shattering. Some bottles are being thrown, and others are trying to stop the bottle throwing. At least one guy tried to start a chant of "Fuck the po-lice".
Never mind my question, Vice is live from Ferguson.Well, that's gonna be enough for the media to label them as a bunch of degenerate nigger thugs
https://news.vice.com/article/live-from-the-streets-of-ferguson (https://news.vice.com/article/live-from-the-streets-of-ferguson)
I hear glass shattering. Some bottles are being thrown, and others are trying to stop the bottle throwing. At least one guy tried to start a chant of "Fuck the po-lice".
Michael was black, there's no Wilson will face any charges.I have a thought....this is just state charges. Could there be federal charges in the pipeline?
Maybe. Let's hope so.
Michael was black, there's no Wilson will face any charges.I have a thought....this is just state charges. Could there be federal charges in the pipeline?
Maybe. Let's hope so.
That's true, although they weren't able to get charges brought in the Trayvon Martin case.Michael was black, there's no Wilson will face any charges.I have a thought....this is just state charges. Could there be federal charges in the pipeline?
Maybe. Let's hope so.
Considering that both the President and the Attorney General are black, I'm more hopeful.
...Zimmerman went to trial. That idiot of a DA let him off.Sorry.
Ironbite-do you live in the same reality as the rest of us?
...Zimmerman went to trial. That idiot of a DA let him off.Sorry.
Ironbite-do you live in the same reality as the rest of us?
In America it’s reasonable to say an unarmed black kid deserved to be shot six times because he might have robbed a convenience store, but a white kid shouldn’t be kicked off the high school football team just because he violently raped a girl.
A man wearing a black hoodie emblazoned with the words "I Am Michael Brown" paced in circles around a memorial for the fallen teenager, threatening violence.
"It ain't safe down here for white people," the man said. "If y'all say he ain't guilty, then I'm killing somebody."
Several businesses on West Florissant Avenue, the main drag in Ferguson, were boarded up to prevent looting. JB Bransford, 15, said that the wood would not make a difference if Wilson was declared innocent.
"If they say he ain't guilty, we're breaking through that wood," Bransford said. "We got chainsaws down here."
You're right. Petition to rename it "Ferguson Self-Defenseing".
Wilson ain't leaving Ferguson alive.As much as I love a good riot, I think declaring it one right now is to premature.
This town, going by the mercenaries, the gunshots, the psycho-police, and the rioters, is going to burn down.
Wilson ain't leaving Ferguson alive.As much as I love a good riot, I think declaring it one right now is to premature.
This town, going by the mercenaries, the gunshots, the psycho-police, and the rioters, is going to burn down.
Classic police riot in the making. They brought too many toys to not play with them.http://www.theonion.com/articles/heavy-police-presence-in-ferguson-to-ensure-reside,37528/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/heavy-police-presence-in-ferguson-to-ensure-reside,37528/)
Today in post racism America: A mostly white jury decided that a white cop shouldn't see trial for killing an unarmed teenager, who happened to be black.
I wish I could say that I'm surprised.
I'm not convinced that the cop was guilty, but I do feel strongly that they should have indicted. Unless it was blatantly obvious that he was innocent, the case should have gone to trial.The kindest spin I can put is Wilson was simply a trigger happy nutcase. Wilson is far bigger and stronger than Brown and possessed several non-lethal means of incapacitation.
* Wilson claimed that Brown, against all logic, charged with his head down like a football player while simultaneously reaching into his waistband for a nonexistent gun.
* Wilson admitted that he shot at Brown as he fled and that Brown had his hands up when he continued shooting.
Wilson admitted that he shot at Brown as he fled and that Brown had his hands up when he continued shooting.
But the burden of proof for bringing federal civil rights charges against Wilson will be much higher than it was in the criminal case. The Justice Department will not only have to demonstrate probable cause, which local prosecutors failed to do, but also that Officer Wilson “willfully” deprived Brown of his civil rights when he fired his gun “under the color of law” – in other words, by acting as a police officer rather than a normal citizen.
Attorney General Holder acknowledged as much in a statement Monday night, stating: “federal civil rights law imposes a high legal bar in these types of cases.” That legal burden has proven difficult to satisfy in similar high profile cases. George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot and killed unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in 2012, has still not been indicted on any federal charges despite an ongoing Justice investigation.
Higher standards then a DA who really doesn't want to prosecute this case?
Ironbite-so left it all on the Grand Jury to decide guilt or innocence despite that not being their job?
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/26/12/11/ferguson-cop-declares-he-wouldnt-change-a-thing
Apparently, he feels no remorse over the whole thing. Go figure.
can we just talk about the fact that, regardless of literally every other factor contributing to Mike Brown’s death, the asshole that killed him showed no sympathy, he even went and got married while he was on paid leave because he could not give less of a shit about the fact he took a kid’s life.
any fucking normal person with actual morals that wasn’t a piece of shit would feel fucking bad about killing someone, even if it had been in self defense.
The kid did not rob any store. He wasn't even a suspect, just someone who looked like the suspect. Even then, NOTHING JUSTIFIES THIS! NOTHING!Um, well ... (http://www.ibtimes.com/michael-brown-robbed-convenience-store-stole-cigarillos-darren-wilson-shooting-dorian-1729359)
So who's a worse person, Darren Wilson or Bob McCullough? It's honestly a difficult choice. One killed a black teenager and didn't even show a shred of remorse (as was shown by his comments afterwards), and the other, well... just read the article above.They both suck so bad it's impossible to tell.
A protester in Minneapolis (http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/ferguson/2014/11/25/woman-struck-car-protest/70112750/) was struck by a car yesterday afternoon. There's a video of it, but I'm not linking it here - it's easy to find if you really want to see a woman's leg get crushed because she was exercising her First Amendment right to peaceful assembly.
Also, there's been a very surprising discovery about Darren "I'd shoot him again" Wilson: He's a member of the KKK! (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-ferguson-killer-cop-darren-wilson-linked-kkk-ghoul-squad-1475953)
EDIT: if anyone's still not convinced that the police are completely out of control where Ferguson-centered protests are involved, here's some raw footage of an LAPD officer beating a minor with a baton during a peaceful protest. (http://thecityofpaper.tumblr.com/post/103619666218/the-los-angeles-police-department-starting-beating)
According to a statement, the group says it has not published the evidence as it believes it would endanger the life of the person who provided it. Having handed over the evidence, the source emailed, pleading for Anonymous not to publish the information:
"This has gotten out of control. They want to kill you. And after you release this information, they will want to kill me. I am scared for my life right now. I am begging you to please do not release the information that I gave. I'm afraid that because the information I provided is so specific, that it will definitely be traced back to me, and I will be in danger. I am a long time supporter of Anonymous, and have trusted you with my identity. Now I feel my life is in your hands. I'm begging you please. I have a family to think of."
Let me preface this by saying I don't know much about the American legal system so I might be way out to lunch with this idea.
I've heard that it would be very difficult or even impossible to build a federal civil rights case against Wilson because of what would need to be proven. On the other hand it seems like it would be pretty damn easy to nail the DA with one or, barring that, some form of prosecutorial misconduct since it is very apparent from what has been released that he was trying to get Wilson a walk.
If the feds were to do this it would invalidate the grand jury's initial decision and since Wilson hasn't been tried or even charged with anything double jeopardy wouldn't apply you should be free to bring in a special prosecutor and start over.
A viable idea or am I out to lunch?
QuoteWilson admitted that he shot at Brown as he fled and that Brown had his hands up when he continued shooting.
That's the federal case in a nutshell.
Brown was a nasty customer in the convenience store - we all saw the security cam footage of him tussling with the store manager. He was probably anything but polite when the cop told him to get the "fuck outta the middle of the street" later on. But even if Brown DID actually charge back towards Wilson, Wilson had every chance to retreat to the safety of his patrol car, or use a Taser or pepper spray, or simply use his baton. The "he was reaching into his waistband" thing is the standard cop-out for emptying a clip into a suspect.
Teenagers sometimes go through a "I'm a tough guy! Fuck all of you!" stage. It is part of growing up. There should be no excuse to gun down somebody just because they are acting like a bully and an asshole. Yet clearly the grand jury believes that doing any of that while black is justification to be summarily slaughtered.
QuoteWilson admitted that he shot at Brown as he fled and that Brown had his hands up when he continued shooting.
That's the federal case in a nutshell.
Brown was a nasty customer in the convenience store - we all saw the security cam footage of him tussling with the store manager. He was probably anything but polite when the cop told him to get the "fuck outta the middle of the street" later on. But even if Brown DID actually charge back towards Wilson, Wilson had every chance to retreat to the safety of his patrol car, or use a Taser or pepper spray, or simply use his baton. The "he was reaching into his waistband" thing is the standard cop-out for emptying a clip into a suspect.
Teenagers sometimes go through a "I'm a tough guy! Fuck all of you!" stage. It is part of growing up. There should be no excuse to gun down somebody just because they are acting like a bully and an asshole. Yet clearly the grand jury believes that doing any of that while black is justification to be summarily slaughtered.
Wilson actually said in his testimony that he didn't carry a Taser, because it was too uncomfortable.
While I agree that the verdict is bull****, I think the rioting in the town is uncalled for. I get it; people are angry. But are they really helping by setting fire to buildings and looting stores? Yes, the cop was very VERY wrong, and yes the jury was full of ****. But by striking out in random directions, especially at innocent people, they seem to be doing nothing but turning more people against them. At least that what it seems to me.Don't have enough insight into the protest to give a response here, could Chit or someone with background knowledge on this help me out here?
While I agree that the verdict is bull****, I think the rioting in the town is uncalled for. I get it; people are angry. But are they really helping by setting fire to buildings and looting stores? Yes, the cop was very VERY wrong, and yes the jury was full of ****. But by striking out in random directions, especially at innocent people, they seem to be doing nothing but turning more people against them. At least that what it seems to me.
While I agree that the verdict is bull****, I think the rioting in the town is uncalled for. I get it; people are angry. But are they really helping by setting fire to buildings and looting stores? Yes, the cop was very VERY wrong, and yes the jury was full of ****. But by striking out in random directions, especially at innocent people, they seem to be doing nothing but turning more people against them. At least that what it seems to me.
In August, exactly one building got set on fire (a QuikTrip gas station) and 28 businesses reported burglary of some sort, with an estimated total of only about $5 million in damages caused (for comparison, two hailstorms caused about $3.2 billion in damage to St. Louis and the 1992 LA riots caused about $1 billion in damages and 7000 fires started).
The New York Times has reported "at least a dozen" buildings have been set on fire in Ferguson, but I can't find any solid list of what was hit. I do know that at least one police car was set on fire about an hour after the verdict was announced, with witnesses suggesting that a hot burning tear gas grenade fired by the police errantly landed in it. The owner of one car dealership didn't move any of his cars beforehand and supposedly made an insurance claim 2 hours after the fire was set, suggesting that he may have set it on fire himself for the money and hoped to blame it on protesters. Michael Brown Senior's church was set on fire, a typical trademark of the KKK that's quite active in Missouri, as was a charity foundation set up by Antonio French (one of the main protest leaders in the community).
Meanwhile, one person has died. That person is DeAndre Joshua (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/26/deandre-joshua-shot-killed-protests_n_6225380.html), a friend of Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson (the guy who was with Brown when he was killed). He was found shot in a burned-out car near where Brown died. He was a small-time neighborhood drug dealer (frankly, I don't think anybody should be condemned to murder for selling weed) and conspiracy theorists are going crazy claiming that he was one of the secret pro-Wilson witnesses being executed by the community for snitching.
Oh boy, I fucking love my family. We've just been through a shit-storm and I was involved. I've even asked my aunt to back-off when she was trying to prove to me that Michael Brown was "a thug and gangster" with an image flipping the bird. I don't even know what to do about it now that I've already made myself look like a close-minded
Do you think the protests will end up accomplishing jack, fucking, or squat?
The kid did not rob any store. He wasn't even a suspect, just someone who looked like the suspect. Even then, NOTHING JUSTIFIES THIS! NOTHING!
Oh, it is. The timeline is all wrong (the security footage "proving" Mike's theft is from July), stealing a handful of cigarillos isn't a capitol offense, and no one knows what happened to the "stolen" cigarillos after he exited the store.The kid did not rob any store. He wasn't even a suspect, just someone who looked like the suspect. Even then, NOTHING JUSTIFIES THIS! NOTHING!
Even if he was a robbery suspect it smells like a furphy to me, something they conveniently inserted into the narrative when prior to that they either didn't have a clue or didn't give a shit.
Call me suspicious I guess.
Do you think the protests will end up accomplishing jack, fucking, or squat?
Say, could you give a source?While I agree that the verdict is bull****, I think the rioting in the town is uncalled for. I get it; people are angry. But are they really helping by setting fire to buildings and looting stores? Yes, the cop was very VERY wrong, and yes the jury was full of ****. But by striking out in random directions, especially at innocent people, they seem to be doing nothing but turning more people against them. At least that what it seems to me.
In August, exactly one building got set on fire (a QuikTrip gas station) and 28 businesses reported burglary of some sort, with an estimated total of only about $5 million in damages caused (for comparison, two hailstorms caused about $3.2 billion in damage to St. Louis and the 1992 LA riots caused about $1 billion in damages and 7000 fires started).
The New York Times has reported "at least a dozen" buildings have been set on fire in Ferguson, but I can't find any solid list of what was hit. I do know that at least one police car was set on fire about an hour after the verdict was announced, with witnesses suggesting that a hot burning tear gas grenade fired by the police errantly landed in it. The owner of one car dealership didn't move any of his cars beforehand and supposedly made an insurance claim 2 hours after the fire was set, suggesting that he may have set it on fire himself for the money and hoped to blame it on protesters. Michael Brown Senior's church was set on fire, a typical trademark of the KKK that's quite active in Missouri, as was a charity foundation set up by Antonio French (one of the main protest leaders in the community).
Meanwhile, one person has died. That person is DeAndre Joshua (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/26/deandre-joshua-shot-killed-protests_n_6225380.html), a friend of Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson (the guy who was with Brown when he was killed). He was found shot in a burned-out car near where Brown died. He was a small-time neighborhood drug dealer (frankly, I don't think anybody should be condemned to murder for selling weed) and conspiracy theorists are going crazy claiming that he was one of the secret pro-Wilson witnesses being executed by the community for snitching.
Do you think the protests will end up accomplishing jack, fucking, or squat?
Do you think the protests will end up accomplishing jack, fucking, or squat?
Nothing has ever been achieved by an American minority except through force.
Do you think the protests will end up accomplishing jack, fucking, or squat?
Nothing has ever been achieved by an American minority except through force.
Yeah, because MLK was all about force.
Do you think the protests will end up accomplishing jack, fucking, or squat?
Nothing has ever been achieved by an American minority except through force.
Yeah, because MLK was all about force.
Except that he got a majority to agree with him.
Do you think the protests will end up accomplishing jack, fucking, or squat?
Nothing has ever been achieved by an American minority except through force.
Yeah, because MLK was all about force.
Do you think the protests will end up accomplishing jack, fucking, or squat?
Nothing has ever been achieved by an American minority except through force.
Yeah, because MLK was all about force.
Sure was. Nonviolent force, sure, but force.
St. Louis, Missouri (November 30, 2014) – The St. Louis Police Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and engage in a display that police officers around the nation found tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.
"Five members of the Rams entered the field today exhibiting the "hands-up-don't-shoot" pose that has been adopted by protestors who accused Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson of murdering Michael Brown. The gesture has become synonymous with assertions that Michael Brown was innocent of any wrongdoing and attempting to surrender peacefully when Wilson, according to some now-discredited witnesses, gunned him down in cold blood.
"SLPOA Business Manager Jeff Roorda said, "now that the evidence is in and Officer Wilson's account has been verified by physical and ballistic evidence as well as eye-witness testimony, which led the grand jury to conclude that no probable cause existed that Wilson engaged in any wrongdoing, it is unthinkable that hometown athletes would so publicly perpetuate a narrative that has been disproven over-and-over again."
"Roorda was incensed that the Rams and the NFL would tolerate such behavior and called it remarkably hypocritical. "All week long, the Rams and the NFL were on the phone with the St. Louis Police Department asking for assurances that the players and the fans would be kept safe from the violent protesters who had rioted, looted, and burned buildings in Ferguson. Our officers have been working 12 hour shifts for over a week, they had days off including Thanksgiving cancelled so that they could defend this community from those on the streets that perpetuate this myth that Michael Brown was executed by a brother police officer and then, as the players and their fans sit safely in their dome under the watchful protection of hundreds of St. Louis's finest, they take to the turf to call a now-exonerated officer a murderer, that is way out-of-bounds, to put it in football parlance," Roorda said.
"The SLPOA is calling for the players involved to be disciplined and for the Rams and the NFL to deliver a very public apology. Roorda said he planned to speak to the NFL and the Rams to voice his organization's displeasure tomorrow. He also plans to reach out to other police organizations in St. Louis and around the country to enlist their input on what the appropriate response from law enforcement should be. Roorda warned, "I know that there are those that will say that these players are simply exercising their First Amendment rights. Well I've got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours. I'd remind the NFL and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products. It's cops and the good people of St. Louis and other NFL towns that do. Somebody needs to throw a flag on this play. If it's not the NFL and the Rams, then it'll be cops and their supporters."
Are you still active? I'd like to be able to link to your source on the amount of actual damage caused by protesters.Say, could you give a source?While I agree that the verdict is bull****, I think the rioting in the town is uncalled for. I get it; people are angry. But are they really helping by setting fire to buildings and looting stores? Yes, the cop was very VERY wrong, and yes the jury was full of ****. But by striking out in random directions, especially at innocent people, they seem to be doing nothing but turning more people against them. At least that what it seems to me.
In August, exactly one building got set on fire (a QuikTrip gas station) and 28 businesses reported burglary of some sort, with an estimated total of only about $5 million in damages caused (for comparison, two hailstorms caused about $3.2 billion in damage to St. Louis and the 1992 LA riots caused about $1 billion in damages and 7000 fires started).
The New York Times has reported "at least a dozen" buildings have been set on fire in Ferguson, but I can't find any solid list of what was hit. I do know that at least one police car was set on fire about an hour after the verdict was announced, with witnesses suggesting that a hot burning tear gas grenade fired by the police errantly landed in it. The owner of one car dealership didn't move any of his cars beforehand and supposedly made an insurance claim 2 hours after the fire was set, suggesting that he may have set it on fire himself for the money and hoped to blame it on protesters. Michael Brown Senior's church was set on fire, a typical trademark of the KKK that's quite active in Missouri, as was a charity foundation set up by Antonio French (one of the main protest leaders in the community).
Meanwhile, one person has died. That person is DeAndre Joshua (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/26/deandre-joshua-shot-killed-protests_n_6225380.html), a friend of Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson (the guy who was with Brown when he was killed). He was found shot in a burned-out car near where Brown died. He was a small-time neighborhood drug dealer (frankly, I don't think anybody should be condemned to murder for selling weed) and conspiracy theorists are going crazy claiming that he was one of the secret pro-Wilson witnesses being executed by the community for snitching.
It's not that I don't trust you it's just I'd like to have some evidence I could show others.
The only thing that can definitively be said to have been burned by protesters has been American flags, and fuck yeah for that.But freeedumsssss!
http://imgur.com/gallery/fpYzl (http://imgur.com/gallery/fpYzl)Ah good, because when I think "safety" I think "poorly trained nut jobs waving guns in body amour."
A veteran weighs in on the police response in Ferguson vs. the response of the National Guard deployed there.
That vet's picture album and analysis are just excellent. Simultaneous to all the protests going on about the victims, we need protests to also demand de-militarizing all PD's. They need to have their unnecessary toys taken away. Dumping all that military surplus gear and vehicles, etc. on PD's is as lethally stupid as giving race cars to first time drivers.Yes.
That vet's picture album and analysis are just excellent. Simultaneous to all the protests going on about the victims, we need protests to also demand de-militarizing all PD's. They need to have their unnecessary toys taken away. Dumping all that military surplus gear and vehicles, etc. on PD's is as lethally stupid as giving race cars to first time drivers.Yes.
Why the fuck does every small town PD need high caliber sniper rifles, 100s of assault rifles, and an APC?
That vet's picture album and analysis are just excellent. Simultaneous to all the protests going on about the victims, we need protests to also demand de-militarizing all PD's. They need to have their unnecessary toys taken away. Dumping all that military surplus gear and vehicles, etc. on PD's is as lethally stupid as giving race cars to first time drivers.Yes.
Why the fuck does every small town PD need high caliber sniper rifles, 100s of assault rifles, and an APC?
That's pretty much what the mindset is. Al-Qaida, the big bad boogieman, somehow getting on US soil and doing something. And the cops only have 9 mms and shotguns to deal with them.
Ironbite-hence why a lot of small town police departments have tanks on the equipment list.
That stuff is dirt cheap and aggressively marketed to PD'sIs it, I'd figure that shit must cost a pretty penny to taxpayers.
That stuff is dirt cheap and aggressively marketed to PD'sIs it, I'd figure that shit must cost a pretty penny to taxpayers.
I was talking about the "cheap" part.That stuff is dirt cheap and aggressively marketed to PD'sIs it, I'd figure that shit must cost a pretty penny to taxpayers.
Just because it's paid for by the public doesn't mean there's no aggressive marketing involved.
See: every war profiteering corporation
I immediately found something I disagree with. Being angry at this injustice and being angry at rioters causing damages at the same time is more likely than the writer thinks.1. The damaged caused by rioters is around 5million, most of it covered by insurance. And I'm guessing the author was referring to people who have to bring up the riots as a way to distract ("Well, the horrific atrocities committed by policemen who will remain unpunished for their actions is bad and all, but I'm still really upset at the unrest caused by the police in Ferguson acting incredibly aggressive towards a formerly peaceful group of protestors)
FERGUSON, Missouri – A federal judge ruled Thursday that police can no longer use tear gas on protesters without declaring an illegal assembly, giving them fair warning and time to vacate the area.
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“Ultimately she decided there was substantial evidence that police had violated the constitutional rights of the protesters, that it was a restriction on their free speech,” Roediger told msnbc shortly after the judge made her ruling.
“The best thing the judge said and she said it a couple of times, was that ‘it’s clear to me for some reason the police are treating this group, around this movement, differently than they treat other large crowds,” Roediger said. “Hopefully it’ll put an end to the practice of protesters having no idea what the police response will be. No more of this sort of punishment in the streets where what the police are going to do is unpredictable and often violent,” he said.
Judge grants Ferguson protesters temporary restraining order against police. (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-protesters-win-injunction-stop-cops-using-tear-gas)QuoteFERGUSON, Missouri – A federal judge ruled Thursday that police can no longer use tear gas on protesters without declaring an illegal assembly, giving them fair warning and time to vacate the area.
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“Ultimately she decided there was substantial evidence that police had violated the constitutional rights of the protesters, that it was a restriction on their free speech,” Roediger told msnbc shortly after the judge made her ruling.
“The best thing the judge said and she said it a couple of times, was that ‘it’s clear to me for some reason the police are treating this group, around this movement, differently than they treat other large crowds,” Roediger said. “Hopefully it’ll put an end to the practice of protesters having no idea what the police response will be. No more of this sort of punishment in the streets where what the police are going to do is unpredictable and often violent,” he said.
Not only that, the prosecutor knew it.
http://www.inquisitr.com/1685885/key-ferguson-witness-sandra-mcelroy-faked-entire-testimony-had-lied-to-police-before-report-finds/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/1685885/key-ferguson-witness-sandra-mcelroy-faked-entire-testimony-had-lied-to-police-before-report-finds/)
And now it turns out that one of the key witnesses at the grand jury hearing pulled her entire "eyewitness account" straight out of her ass. Not only that, the prosecutor knew it.
Hell one of the witnesses was a lying bitch and was still allowed to talk to the grand jury.
Ironbite-this whole shit just shows how much these people value black lives.
Hell one of the witnesses was a lying bitch and was still allowed to talk to the grand jury.
Ironbite-this whole shit just shows how much these people value black lives.
Or lives in general.
WASHINGTON -- A member of the grand jury that ultimately decided not to indict former Ferguson, Missouri, Police Officer Darren Wilson in the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown is suing the prosecuting attorney in St. Louis County, accusing Robert McCulloch of mischaracterizing the grand jury process.
The still-anonymous grand juror, referred to only as "Grand Juror Doe" in the lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri, believes that his or her voice "could contribute to the current public dialogue concerning race relations" in the country. The grand juror believes that the Wilson case was handled much differently than the hundreds of other cases presented to the grand jury before the Wilson case.
"From Plaintiff's perspective, the presentation of evidence to the grand jury investigating Wilson differed markedly and in significant ways from how evidence was presented in the hundreds of matters presented to the grand jury earlier in its term," the lawsuit stated. The grand juror believes that the portrayal of the case in the media has not been accurate.
"In Plaintiff's view, the current information available about the grand jurors' views is not entirely accurate -- especially the implication that all grand jurors believed that there was no support for any charges," the lawsuit stated. "Moreover, the public characterization of the grand jurors' view of witnesses and evidence does not accord with Plaintiff's own."
The ACLU said the "life-time gag order" against grand jurors in the case is not fair in the Wilson case because of the extraordinary publicity Brown's death received and the strange way the case was presented.
"The Supreme Court has said that grand jury secrecy must be weighed against the juror's First Amendment rights on a case-by-case basis," ACLU of Missouri Legal Director Tony Rothert said in a statement. "The rules of secrecy must yield because this is a highly unusual circumstance. The First Amendment prevents the state from imposing a life-time gag order in cases where the prosecuting attorney has purported to be transparent."
And it's back fired so....so badly on them.
Ironbite-almost wish they'd keep this up.
I've read interviews with some of the low-income residents like in Bedford-Stuyvesant, and the general consensus is that the NYPD protest is actually very beneficial to them. The low-level charges the police aren't responding to (public urination, spitting/littering, traffic tickets, loitering, etc.) were all major parts of the extremely racist policing used to harass black and Latino citizens; the myriad regulations strewn throughout NYC for everything from congregating to riding a bicycle on the sidewalk allowed officers to legally stop and harass almost anyone they wanted to. By slowing down arrests and citations (as well as the stop-and-frisk policy), they've inadvertently created the best policing environment New York has had in years.So good all around?
I've read interviews with some of the low-income residents like in Bedford-Stuyvesant, and the general consensus is that the NYPD protest is actually very beneficial to them. The low-level charges the police aren't responding to (public urination, spitting/littering, traffic tickets, loitering, etc.) were all major parts of the extremely racist policing used to harass black and Latino citizens; the myriad regulations strewn throughout NYC for everything from congregating to riding a bicycle on the sidewalk allowed officers to legally stop and harass almost anyone they wanted to. By slowing down arrests and citations (as well as the stop-and-frisk policy), they've inadvertently created the best policing environment New York has had in years.So good all around?