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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: Canadian Mojo on January 04, 2015, 11:41:34 am
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Dear Bibi:
Fuck you, you fucking fuck.
well at least it's not another invasion (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/03/israel-palestinian-tax-revenues_n_6411010.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada)
So, Palestinian violence is counterproductive which, honestly I can kind of buy as being a slightly less than complete bullshit excuse by Israel. Palestinians pursuing a peaceful solution that would hold them accountable for their actions is also counterproductive. Funny how any action besides the Palestinians collectively crawling in a hole and dying seems to be counterproductive as far as Israel and the US is concerned.
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A Jew who doesn't like giving people money? colour me suprised. tee-hee!
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God damn. When will Israel just go away already?
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Israel will keep up these shenanigans as long as they get aid from the United States. I don't see the evangelical Christians changing their mind about that, unfortunately.
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Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Jewish people as a religion, but the state of Israel seems to find new ways to piss me off every day. You think they of all people would know better than to treat others like this, but I guess religion is too powerful a blinder.
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the Israeli?palestinian thing always seemed pretty easy to understand once you took the religious aspect as an excuse.
Israel wants the land that Palestine has. Palestine is too weak to fight them conventionally so they use asymmetrical war fare.
Both sides use terrorism. But that doesn't' mean both sides are the same.
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Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Jewish people as a religion.
I've definitely got something against their religion; they gave the rest of us the Old Testament.
but the state of Israel seems to find new ways to piss me off every day. You think they of all people would know better than to treat others like this, but I guess religion is too powerful a blinder.
It's not even religion, I don't think. The far right leadership and supporters in Israel are rabidly nationalistic. The Holocaust gave them a persecution complex that is a go-to rationalization for any crimes against humanity they commit.
Of course, the reason the U.S. gives them so much foreign aid has to do with evangelical end-times eschatology -- they have to support Israel so that Jews build a new temple and Jesus comes again and all Jews die a fiery death. Religion is definitely the main factor behind that.
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So it's fine for Hamas to rob Israeli banks, yeah? Since that's exactly what Israel has just done (for the second time in a decade).
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And the cycle of hate continues. It's like a fucking Greek tragedy.
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If the Palestinians aren't allowed to continue their cause through non-violent means does this mean that Israel prefers them to be violent? (Of course it does, then they can say that anything they do is self defense.)
At this point I don't like the Israeli goverment very much and though I have nothing against their people as individuals I wish they would get some sense as a group because these warmongers are only in power through majority support. Not to say that the Palestians haven't done anything wrong, but they are the underdogs and this move for example was at least in the right direction... Unlike their rocket attacks, which are a) ineffective b) target civilians c) do not help their cause in any way.
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If the Palestinians aren't allowed to continue their cause through non-violent means does this mean that Israel prefers them to be violent? (Of course it does, then they can say that anything they do is self defense.)
At this point I don't like the Israeli goverment very much and though I have nothing against their people as individuals I wish they would get some sense as a group because these warmongers are only in power through majority support. Not to say that the Palestians haven't done anything wrong, but they are the underdogs and this move for example was at least in the right direction... Unlike their rocket attacks, which are a) ineffective b) target civilians c) do not help their cause in any way.
Likud and Netanyahu, at least, do prefer that the Palestinians be violent. Violence leads to fear, and fear leads to Likud victories. If Palestine uses non-violent methods, they're more likely to succeed, and that would be bad in Likud's eyes.
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Of course, the reason the U.S. gives them so much foreign aid has to do with evangelical end-times eschatology -- they have to support Israel so that Jews build a new temple and Jesus comes again and all Jews die a fiery death. Religion is definitely the main factor behind that.
That may be why the fundie Christian demographic supports aid to Israel, but it's not why the US government does it. They just want a loyal ally in the Middle East who's also the military superpower of the region. It's hella useful when you have to convince people who don't much care for you to sell you their oil.
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I believe I've found a surefire way to secure peace in the region.
Turkey and Saudi Arabia are strategic regional allies of the west and even though we aren't propping up a dictator in Egypt any more, there's a half-decent chance of a regime there that we can deal with...eventually.
The rest of the region...not so much.
So, a big lead wall from the Mediterranean coast of Egypt, the Saudi/Kuwaiti border and Turkey's borders with Iran/Iraq and Syria.
And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
Who the fuck is going to want to fight over it then?
And don't start whinging about the death toll, your pathetic "picking sides" nonsense has been contributing to that since 1948, my way is just more direct.
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And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
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And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
If people outside the region cared about the consequences of their actions (by which I assume you mean the piles of dead), then we'd never have gotten involved in the first place.
Left to their own devices, they'd just try and kill each other off. Without support from the west Israel would have been wiped off the map decades ago and without pressure from the west they would already have finished revisiting the treatment on the Palestinians.
There is no peaceful solution given that both sides are religiously motivated windowlickers, but we can excise the entire region and all of its' sociopolitics like the cancer it is.
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And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
If people outside the region cared about the consequences of their actions (by which I assume you mean the piles of dead), then we'd never have gotten involved in the first place.
Left to their own devices, they'd just try and kill each other off. Without support from the west Israel would have been wiped off the map decades ago and without pressure from the west they would already have finished revisiting the treatment on the Palestinians.
There is no peaceful solution given that both sides are religiously motivated windowlickers, but we can excise the entire region and all of its' sociopolitics like the cancer it is.
Yep, the solution to the action of a few thousand fuckwits is to kill millions of innocents.
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And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
If people outside the region cared about the consequences of their actions (by which I assume you mean the piles of dead), then we'd never have gotten involved in the first place.
Left to their own devices, they'd just try and kill each other off. Without support from the west Israel would have been wiped off the map decades ago and without pressure from the west they would already have finished revisiting the treatment on the Palestinians.
There is no peaceful solution given that both sides are religiously motivated windowlickers, but we can excise the entire region and all of its' sociopolitics like the cancer it is.
Yep, the solution to the action of a few thousand fuckwits is to kill millions of innocents.
Denying the complicity of the general populace is a cheap copout. If those millions of innocents didn't want "a few thousand" genocidal nutbags running their countries, they'd have acted to change things at some point in the last 7 decades, one would think.
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And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
If people outside the region cared about the consequences of their actions (by which I assume you mean the piles of dead), then we'd never have gotten involved in the first place.
Left to their own devices, they'd just try and kill each other off. Without support from the west Israel would have been wiped off the map decades ago and without pressure from the west they would already have finished revisiting the treatment on the Palestinians.
There is no peaceful solution given that both sides are religiously motivated windowlickers, but we can excise the entire region and all of its' sociopolitics like the cancer it is.
Yep, the solution to the action of a few thousand fuckwits is to kill millions of innocents.
Denying the complicity of the general populace is a cheap copout. If those millions of innocents didn't want "a few thousand" genocidal nutbags running their countries, they'd have acted to change things at some point in the last 7 decades, one would think.
There was a time when Israel tried to change for the better. Unfortunately, events beyond their control in Palestine stonewalled the peace process.
And "genocidal"? Seriously? I agree that Israeli policy towards the Palestinians is worthy of criticism, but calling it outright genocide is a gross exaggeration. Also, by your logic, the people of Gaza deserve their suffering for voting in Hamas!
Really, your "solution" is just plain monstrous. I think it says something that not even our resident sociopath has suggested something like that.
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And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
If people outside the region cared about the consequences of their actions (by which I assume you mean the piles of dead), then we'd never have gotten involved in the first place.
Left to their own devices, they'd just try and kill each other off. Without support from the west Israel would have been wiped off the map decades ago and without pressure from the west they would already have finished revisiting the treatment on the Palestinians.
There is no peaceful solution given that both sides are religiously motivated windowlickers, but we can excise the entire region and all of its' sociopolitics like the cancer it is.
So, instead of actually treating the brain tumor, you're suggesting we just give the area some Aspirin and expect it to be okay. That will end well.
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And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
If people outside the region cared about the consequences of their actions (by which I assume you mean the piles of dead), then we'd never have gotten involved in the first place.
Left to their own devices, they'd just try and kill each other off. Without support from the west Israel would have been wiped off the map decades ago and without pressure from the west they would already have finished revisiting the treatment on the Palestinians.
There is no peaceful solution given that both sides are religiously motivated windowlickers, but we can excise the entire region and all of its' sociopolitics like the cancer it is.
Yep, the solution to the action of a few thousand fuckwits is to kill millions of innocents.
Denying the complicity of the general populace is a cheap copout. If those millions of innocents didn't want "a few thousand" genocidal nutbags running their countries, they'd have acted to change things at some point in the last 7 decades, one would think.
There was a time when Israel tried to change for the better. Unfortunately, events beyond their control in Palestine stonewalled the peace process.
And "genocidal"? Seriously? I agree that Israeli policy towards the Palestinians is worthy of criticism, but calling it outright genocide is a gross exaggeration. Also, by your logic, the people of Gaza deserve their suffering for voting in Hamas!
Really, your "solution" is just plain monstrous. I think it says something that not even our resident sociopath has suggested something like that.
Imagine a scenario where Israel isn't surrounded by people who despise them and isn't even *marginally* beholden to the west.
Look at what they've done while under the gaze of their western benefactors. Do you not think that, given the chance, they would go further?
It's certainly not moral concerns holding them back.
This isn't to absolve the Palestinians, who, were the roles to be reversed would be doing THE EXACT SAME SHIT.
My initial aim would be to wash our hands of the whole situation and let the backwards fuckwits wipe each other out, but there are too many bleeding hearts in the west who would weep copiously and start charities to prolong the agony for the rest of us. Cleansing nuclear fire would just bypass all that lameness and get the deed over with.
Then we can all move on into a more grown-up and less spasticated future.
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And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
If people outside the region cared about the consequences of their actions (by which I assume you mean the piles of dead), then we'd never have gotten involved in the first place.
Left to their own devices, they'd just try and kill each other off. Without support from the west Israel would have been wiped off the map decades ago and without pressure from the west they would already have finished revisiting the treatment on the Palestinians.
There is no peaceful solution given that both sides are religiously motivated windowlickers, but we can excise the entire region and all of its' sociopolitics like the cancer it is.
So, instead of actually treating the brain tumor, you're suggesting we just give the area some Aspirin and expect it to be okay. That will end well.
No, its more instead of treating it, cutting the brain out, lighting it on fire, and stomping on it to put it out.
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And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
If people outside the region cared about the consequences of their actions (by which I assume you mean the piles of dead), then we'd never have gotten involved in the first place.
Left to their own devices, they'd just try and kill each other off. Without support from the west Israel would have been wiped off the map decades ago and without pressure from the west they would already have finished revisiting the treatment on the Palestinians.
There is no peaceful solution given that both sides are religiously motivated windowlickers, but we can excise the entire region and all of its' sociopolitics like the cancer it is.
So, instead of actually treating the brain tumor, you're suggesting we just give the area some Aspirin and expect it to be okay. That will end well.
No, its more instead of treating it, cutting the brain out, lighting it on fire, and stomping on it to put it out.
More like a quick and mostly painless procedure to put the body down since the brain is riddled with malignant tumours and there's no operation that can save it, if we're using your metaphor.
Oh, let me guess, you've suddenly turned to the prolifers for arguments against mercy killing?
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If the Palestinians aren't allowed to continue their cause through non-violent means does this mean that Israel prefers them to be violent? (Of course it does, then they can say that anything they do is self defense.)
At this point I don't like the Israeli goverment very much and though I have nothing against their people as individuals I wish they would get some sense as a group because these warmongers are only in power through majority support. Not to say that the Palestians haven't done anything wrong, but they are the underdogs and this move for example was at least in the right direction... Unlike their rocket attacks, which are a) ineffective b) target civilians c) do not help their cause in any way.
Preferably, that violence would take the form of suicide bombing.
And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
If people outside the region cared about the consequences of their actions (by which I assume you mean the piles of dead), then we'd never have gotten involved in the first place.
Left to their own devices, they'd just try and kill each other off. Without support from the west Israel would have been wiped off the map decades ago and without pressure from the west they would already have finished revisiting the treatment on the Palestinians.
There is no peaceful solution given that both sides are religiously motivated windowlickers, but we can excise the entire region and all of its' sociopolitics like the cancer it is.
Yep, the solution to the action of a few thousand fuckwits is to kill millions of innocents.
Denying the complicity of the general populace is a cheap copout. If those millions of innocents didn't want "a few thousand" genocidal nutbags running their countries, they'd have acted to change things at some point in the last 7 decades, one would think.
There was a time when Israel tried to change for the better. Unfortunately, events beyond their control in Palestine stonewalled the peace process.
Do you mean Taba?
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And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
"We glass the rest" is shorthand for "it's happening in a place I've never seen so I can't empathize with them and I don't care about any consequences of my actions."
Why should we listen to you when it comes to international affairs?
If people outside the region cared about the consequences of their actions (by which I assume you mean the piles of dead), then we'd never have gotten involved in the first place.
Left to their own devices, they'd just try and kill each other off. Without support from the west Israel would have been wiped off the map decades ago and without pressure from the west they would already have finished revisiting the treatment on the Palestinians.
There is no peaceful solution given that both sides are religiously motivated windowlickers, but we can excise the entire region and all of its' sociopolitics like the cancer it is.
So, instead of actually treating the brain tumor, you're suggesting we just give the area some Aspirin and expect it to be okay. That will end well.
No, its more instead of treating it, cutting the brain out, lighting it on fire, and stomping on it to put it out.
More like a quick and mostly painless procedure to put the body down since the brain is riddled with malignant tumours and there's no operation that can save it, if we're using your metaphor.
Oh, let me guess, you've suddenly turned to the prolifers for arguments against mercy killing?
Flaw[size=78%] Mercy killing is generally done with the person being mercy-killed's permission.[/size]
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More like a quick and mostly painless procedure to put the body down since the brain is riddled with malignant tumours and there's no operation that can save it, if we're using your metaphor.
Oh, let me guess, you've suddenly turned to the prolifers for arguments against mercy killing?
Please tell me more about this planet you live on. The one where I'm a pro-lifer and your solution is a mercy killing. I'll grab the popcorn.
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Well you've got a good name I'll give you that.
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Flaw: That's not mercy killing, that's genocide.
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For a troll, he's not very interesting, is he? He's just another generic extremely misanthropic teenager. -0/10. Has achieved impossible levels of fail.
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Yeah, this guy isn't nearly as fun as, say, Skyfire. Or Mabus. Or even Joey.
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More like a quick and mostly painless procedure to put the body down since the brain is riddled with malignant tumours and there's no operation that can save it, if we're using your metaphor.
Oh, let me guess, you've suddenly turned to the prolifers for arguments against mercy killing?
Please tell me more about this planet you live on. The one where I'm a pro-lifer and your solution is a mercy killing. I'll grab the popcorn.
You know, it's really not very sporting for someone of your caliber to pick on 13 year olds who think they need to act like world hating badasses because their balls finally dropped.
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Yeah, this guy isn't nearly as fun as, say, Skyfire. Or Mabus. Or even Joey.
Though I was around for none of those, I have no doubt that's true. However, he's what we've got, so he'll have to do till we get a better one.
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Yeah, this guy isn't nearly as fun as, say, Skyfire. Or Mabus. Or even Joey.
Though I was around for none of those, I have no doubt that's true. However, he's what we've got, so he'll have to do till we get a better one.
inactive in 2 days, 17 posts. either this guy lurks more than me, or he's gotten bored and won't come back.
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His solution to everything is horrifying Nazi-esque genocide.
He's basically a poseur who feels he needs to be generally misanthropic to show how bad or "lulzy" he is. When what he really is, is pathetic. A sad, pathetic sack of shit whose views will never come to pass. He's just like the Stormfronters who whine about nuking Israel and the Middle East - none of their views will ever come to be in reality.
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His solution to everything is horrifying Nazi-esque genocide.
He's basically a poseur who feels he needs to be generally misanthropic to show how bad or "lulzy" he is. When what he really is, is pathetic. A sad, pathetic sack of shit whose views will never come to pass. He's just like the Stormfronters who whine about nuking Israel and the Middle East - none of their views will ever come to be in reality.
I'd say that's pretty much it.
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He honestly has no staying power.
Ironbite-also I think he signed up like a year ago.
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Can we just get Vade on here? That'd be infinitely more interesting than Das Contrarian and his aspirations to play Hitler.
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Can we just get Vade on here? That'd be infinitely more interesting than Das Contrarian and his aspirations to play Hitler.
do we really need a resident troll? i mean if we want to rage, we've already got paragon, ironchew, and if we forget our sense of humor, viking to help this. or is this to cull infighting?
(i've got no beef with any person stated, on the contrary, sometimes i feel i'm the only one who likes paragon, even though i disagree with him most of the time)
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The overwhelming Ultie-hate has spilled out of its topic. And is frankly annoying.
We need someone like Vade who we can all unite against.
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I believe I've found a surefire way to secure peace in the region.
Turkey and Saudi Arabia are strategic regional allies of the west and even though we aren't propping up a dictator in Egypt any more, there's a half-decent chance of a regime there that we can deal with...eventually.
The rest of the region...not so much.
So, a big lead wall from the Mediterranean coast of Egypt, the Saudi/Kuwaiti border and Turkey's borders with Iran/Iraq and Syria.
And we glass the rest. Jerusalem is a holy site for your bronze age fucknuttery? Tough Shit, it's a radioactive deadland now. Grow up and get a life.
Who the fuck is going to want to fight over it then?
And don't start whinging about the death toll, your pathetic "picking sides" nonsense has been contributing to that since 1948, my way is just more direct.
Uh, if you nuke all that, the folks who you're fine with will change their minds big time and think we're psycho. It would solve nothing.
Better to educate and fight against Frummerism (Fundieness). Get rid of the maniacs and it'll be easier to convince the rest & have a truce.
Meaningless violence just breeds more violence. Violence in general should be a "very last resort in self-defense thing". Nuking whole regions is stupid....and imagine all that radiation!
And for once, I'm with Ironchew on this. Sorry Ironchew, for my mistaking your pessimism & hyper-cynicism for being a troll. This new guy, however, is a bonehead.
I also wouldn't compare DerContrarian's "Final Solution" to aspirin....decapitation would be more apt.