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Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on January 09, 2014, 06:10:40 pmThere's a difference between pride in one's own ethnicity (i.e., "Irish Pride"), which is fine as long as it doesn't degenerate into mindless nationalism, and pride in being White, which is actually a euphemism for white supremacy and has always been used by neo-Nazis and racist groups. (Before someone brings it up, yes, "Black Pride" is different because unlike most White people in the United States, Black Americans who are descendants of slaves sadly cannot trace their ancestry the same way. "Black Pride" is generally also used as an expression against the racist idea that Black people should be ashamed of being Black, whereas White people face no such prejudice in America.)THIS.Seriously, there are pride festivals for several European ethnicities (St. Patrick's Day, Highland Games, Oktoberfest) that are widely celebrated and not controversial at all. The "White Pride is not racist" argument fails because there is no Grand Unified White Culture to celebrate.
There's a difference between pride in one's own ethnicity (i.e., "Irish Pride"), which is fine as long as it doesn't degenerate into mindless nationalism, and pride in being White, which is actually a euphemism for white supremacy and has always been used by neo-Nazis and racist groups. (Before someone brings it up, yes, "Black Pride" is different because unlike most White people in the United States, Black Americans who are descendants of slaves sadly cannot trace their ancestry the same way. "Black Pride" is generally also used as an expression against the racist idea that Black people should be ashamed of being Black, whereas White people face no such prejudice in America.)
Quote from: The Master on January 17, 2014, 07:40:02 amThere's a difference between white pride and ethnic pride. A lot of people seem to miss it. Along with that, a lot of people like to say 'nobody who is white has ever faced discrimination'. This is false on many levels: 1) You're erasing the LGBTQ white people and 2) You're erasing the fact that the Irish and sometimes the Italians are still discriminated against. And the fact that they were badly discriminated against back in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Hell, it was even considered oppression at the time (that icky word people like to over-define). 3) You're also ignoring the disabled white folks. Being white doesn't protect you from everyfuckingthing.So, yeah. People need to learn the differences. Small, but important differences.No white person has ever faced systematic discrimination for that reason in the United States. Not one. White people may face persecution for other reasons; they are not victims of racism. Period.
There's a difference between white pride and ethnic pride. A lot of people seem to miss it. Along with that, a lot of people like to say 'nobody who is white has ever faced discrimination'. This is false on many levels: 1) You're erasing the LGBTQ white people and 2) You're erasing the fact that the Irish and sometimes the Italians are still discriminated against. And the fact that they were badly discriminated against back in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Hell, it was even considered oppression at the time (that icky word people like to over-define). 3) You're also ignoring the disabled white folks. Being white doesn't protect you from everyfuckingthing.So, yeah. People need to learn the differences. Small, but important differences.
Quote from: Lt. Fred on January 19, 2014, 01:38:03 amQuote from: The Master on January 17, 2014, 07:40:02 amThere's a difference between white pride and ethnic pride. A lot of people seem to miss it. Along with that, a lot of people like to say 'nobody who is white has ever faced discrimination'. This is false on many levels: 1) You're erasing the LGBTQ white people and 2) You're erasing the fact that the Irish and sometimes the Italians are still discriminated against. And the fact that they were badly discriminated against back in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Hell, it was even considered oppression at the time (that icky word people like to over-define). 3) You're also ignoring the disabled white folks. Being white doesn't protect you from everyfuckingthing.So, yeah. People need to learn the differences. Small, but important differences.No white person has ever faced systematic discrimination for that reason in the United States. Not one. White people may face persecution for other reasons; they are not victims of racism. Period.You'll note I never once said it was either systematic or institutionalized. Nor did I say racism. I said prejudice/discrimination for a reason. It doesn't have to be systematic or institutionalized to count under the discrimination banner. Just being turned away from multiple places for being Italian is enough to be discrimination.
Quote from: The Master on January 19, 2014, 07:03:49 amQuote from: Lt. Fred on January 19, 2014, 01:38:03 amQuote from: The Master on January 17, 2014, 07:40:02 amThere's a difference between white pride and ethnic pride. A lot of people seem to miss it. Along with that, a lot of people like to say 'nobody who is white has ever faced discrimination'. This is false on many levels: 1) You're erasing the LGBTQ white people and 2) You're erasing the fact that the Irish and sometimes the Italians are still discriminated against. And the fact that they were badly discriminated against back in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Hell, it was even considered oppression at the time (that icky word people like to over-define). 3) You're also ignoring the disabled white folks. Being white doesn't protect you from everyfuckingthing.So, yeah. People need to learn the differences. Small, but important differences.No white person has ever faced systematic discrimination for that reason in the United States. Not one. White people may face persecution for other reasons; they are not victims of racism. Period.You'll note I never once said it was either systematic or institutionalized. Nor did I say racism. I said prejudice/discrimination for a reason. It doesn't have to be systematic or institutionalized to count under the discrimination banner. Just being turned away from multiple places for being Italian is enough to be discrimination.Though, of course, not for being white.
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 19, 2014, 11:32:46 amAh yes the ol' 'if you're just nice to the people who are oppressing you then soon enough he will change his ways and you will no longer be oppressed!' thing.
No matter what happens, no matter what my last words may end up being, I want everyone to claim that they were: "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
Aww, you guys rock. I feel the love... and the pitchforks and torches. Tingly!
It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.
