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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #3690 on: October 04, 2013, 12:43:57 am »
Apparently Obama has waved the mandate for some corps or somethign

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« Reply #3691 on: October 04, 2013, 03:05:25 am »
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It's not that they don't 'qualify as normal'. It's that the health issues (without even considering the mental defects) associated with one of the only survivable trisomies are pretty major, and many parents who are aware of what their Down Syndrom baby's life is going to be like don't want to put them through it.

Funny how the glurgey 'inspirational' stories tend to feature children who (based on appearance in the ones I've seen that had pictures) have relatively mild cases.

That is in no way comparable to a grown woman chooses to dress as part of her celebrity persona.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #3692 on: October 04, 2013, 03:58:42 am »
Once again, a woman does not want an abortion the same way as she wants a pedicure or shit like that. She wants it the same way an animal wants to free itself from a bear-trap or something else.

Of course, using that logic will once again invoke more strawman logic than the one I've tried (and presumably failed) to reason with.

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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #3693 on: October 04, 2013, 08:56:57 am »
Can you determine severity of down syndrome in the womb since i mean there are a lot of minor cases

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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #3694 on: October 04, 2013, 11:23:54 am »
The very nature of Down Syndrome would indicate that it is next to impossible to know the severity of the case until the child is born.

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« Reply #3695 on: October 04, 2013, 05:12:08 pm »
Wow equating dressing the way you feel like to down syndrome by the way lady gaga does not dress how society views as normal

Plus, that's a normal baby.  DS has very obvious facial symptoms, and that baby's ears and eyes are normal.
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« Reply #3696 on: October 10, 2013, 04:15:52 pm »

That baby is completely normal (and very white, and probably photoshopped). The "save the disabled babies because they're just different!" rhetoric is incredibly fucked up. My cousin has Sturge-Warner syndrome and KT syndrome (both very rare chromosomal abnormalities; he's the only person in the US with both) and his life isn't something I would wish on anybody. He will never live unassisted, he will never have a partner or spouse, and will almost certainly never hold down a normal job. His childhood was spent in and out of hospitals, schools for the disabled, and his parents' home. He has the intellect of a young child (he's nineteen), and he's constantly trotted out as an example of G-d's love or protection or whatever. My aunt and uncle have been under enormous strain, day in and day out, since before he was born. They will care for him until the day they die. If anyone here thinks that it's okay to value the life of someone/something who might never be able to have a full life over one that already has one, they have lost their fucking minds.

And Lady Gaga? Aside from her somewhat obnoxious fashion choices, she's pretty intelligent and well-spoken. I don't like her music or her dress, but I can respect her as an artist. Besides, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who considers her fashion sense normal. There's no fucking comparison.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #3697 on: October 10, 2013, 04:35:58 pm »
Lady Gaga is trolling the fashion world, I am convinced. And she actually has them giving her street cred for being ballsy in her (mostly unbeknownst to them) mockery. Madonna and Bjork and others have done it at least on occasion for decades.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #3698 on: October 10, 2013, 06:19:35 pm »

That baby is completely normal (and very white, and probably photoshopped). The "save the disabled babies because they're just different!" rhetoric is incredibly fucked up. My cousin has Sturge-Warner syndrome and KT syndrome (both very rare chromosomal abnormalities; he's the only person in the US with both) and his life isn't something I would wish on anybody. He will never live unassisted, he will never have a partner or spouse, and will almost certainly never hold down a normal job. His childhood was spent in and out of hospitals, schools for the disabled, and his parents' home. He has the intellect of a young child (he's nineteen), and he's constantly trotted out as an example of G-d's love or protection or whatever. My aunt and uncle have been under enormous strain, day in and day out, since before he was born. They will care for him until the day they die. If anyone here thinks that it's okay to value the life of someone/something who might never be able to have a full life over one that already has one, they have lost their fucking minds.

And Lady Gaga? Aside from her somewhat obnoxious fashion choices, she's pretty intelligent and well-spoken. I don't like her music or her dress, but I can respect her as an artist. Besides, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who considers her fashion sense normal. There's no fucking comparison.

Plus, the comparison falls flat. Gaga chooses to present herself that way, whereas someone with Downs Syndrome doesn't choose to be that way.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #3699 on: October 10, 2013, 09:53:21 pm »

That baby is completely normal (and very white, and probably photoshopped). The "save the disabled babies because they're just different!" rhetoric is incredibly fucked up. My cousin has Sturge-Warner syndrome and KT syndrome (both very rare chromosomal abnormalities; he's the only person in the US with both) and his life isn't something I would wish on anybody. He will never live unassisted, he will never have a partner or spouse, and will almost certainly never hold down a normal job. His childhood was spent in and out of hospitals, schools for the disabled, and his parents' home. He has the intellect of a young child (he's nineteen), and he's constantly trotted out as an example of G-d's love or protection or whatever. My aunt and uncle have been under enormous strain, day in and day out, since before he was born. They will care for him until the day they die. If anyone here thinks that it's okay to value the life of someone/something who might never be able to have a full life over one that already has one, they have lost their fucking minds.


I have a second cousin who's even worse. I don't know what she has, but she seemed more like an animal in a human body than anything else. She's also incapable of standing upright without support, and she has multiple seizures per day.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #3700 on: October 12, 2013, 08:13:23 pm »
I could have respected Lady Gaga until she trotted out the tired old transphobia. And yes, I mean her. Not her critics doing it.

As it is, at this point I try to ignore her.

Also, as usual when fundies try to give me the tired spiel of 'what if you had been aborted' I often like to smile and say 'I wish I had been. But then, you tell me how you'd feel being in this body and knowing your mother could have ended all of that but didn't. Instead she and her high-as-a-kite boyfriend decided to give you up for adoption.'

I have ever had fundies claim that my living past the doctor's predicted time is proof of God's love. You'll understand if I usually burst out laughing.

And the poster's argument of normal falls flat considering everything else they deem abnormal.

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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #3701 on: October 14, 2013, 02:30:53 pm »
  Citation needed btw I can swipe images from their facebook so we don't need to give them money

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« Reply #3702 on: October 14, 2013, 02:48:21 pm »


I'm not sure what I think of "legal in certain circumstances". It could mean from making 3rd trimester illegel to only allowing abortions in the case of endangering the mothers's life. So 78% believe abortion should be restricted in some form, although we don't know what that form is. And 26% who believes abortion should be legal, is a lot more then 5%



Seems to be a 50-50 split.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
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« Reply #3703 on: October 14, 2013, 04:44:21 pm »
@Cataclysm: That's far too fact-based.  In 'MURRICA, we only listen to half-arsed blanket statements, half-truths, and things dredged up from the deepest recesses of some scumbag's arse.
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« Reply #3704 on: October 15, 2013, 09:44:47 pm »
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