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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #90 on: July 01, 2013, 05:38:03 pm »
Is there anywhere good to keep up to date on this? A lot of conflicting information floating around.

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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #91 on: July 01, 2013, 05:39:37 pm »
Is there anywhere good to keep up to date on this? A lot of conflicting information floating around.

The first link I get when I check my email is this. It also includes transcripts from Zimmerman's initial interrogation.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #92 on: July 02, 2013, 07:08:52 pm »
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #93 on: July 02, 2013, 08:36:55 pm »
The new law only requires law enforcement and the justice system to ask three questions in self-defense cases: Did the defendant have the right to be there? Was he engaged in a lawful activity? Could he reasonably have been in fear of death or great bodily harm?

Without convincing evidence to the contrary, "stand your ground'' protection prevails."

Please reread what you quoted, especially the part about "fear of death or great bodily harm." That is what I have been saying.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #94 on: July 04, 2013, 09:38:22 am »
Please reread what you quoted, especially the part about "fear of death or great bodily harm." That is what I have been saying.

So Zimmerman can claim self defense?  It seems like before you were saying he can't
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #95 on: July 04, 2013, 11:44:51 am »
So apparently this happened.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #96 on: July 04, 2013, 11:56:27 am »
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #97 on: July 04, 2013, 12:29:18 pm »
So apparently this happened.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #98 on: July 04, 2013, 01:58:30 pm »
Now that's just sad. You really ought to be more prepared, especially in a trial like this.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #99 on: July 04, 2013, 02:35:30 pm »
Ok, now I managed to get the link open.

This shows incompetence from the court and laziness from the witness. In fact, I would have assumed they would have some more reliable way to handle the long-distance testimony or simply have the police drag him to the courthouse to witness in person.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #100 on: July 04, 2013, 08:53:19 pm »
Please reread what you quoted, especially the part about "fear of death or great bodily harm." That is what I have been saying.

So Zimmerman can claim self defense?  It seems like before you were saying he can't

No, I am repeating that he cannot claim self-defense because he had no "reasonable fear of death or bodily injury." As you pointed out, that is a requirement for self-defense. Zimmerman could not have that fear because Martin was not armed with a deadly weapon.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #101 on: July 04, 2013, 09:25:44 pm »
So apparently this happened.
Let's hope the defense doesn't follow up their knock-knock joke with a Call Me Maybe joke.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #102 on: July 04, 2013, 10:21:54 pm »
Please reread what you quoted, especially the part about "fear of death or great bodily harm." That is what I have been saying.

So Zimmerman can claim self defense?  It seems like before you were saying he can't

No, I am repeating that he cannot claim self-defense because he had no "reasonable fear of death or bodily injury." As you pointed out, that is a requirement for self-defense. Zimmerman could not have that fear because Martin was not armed with a deadly weapon.

A theory:  Martin's hands could have been thought of as a deadly weapon.  Skilled martial artists and CQC experts need to do so, and Zimmerman could have made that (false) assumption.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #103 on: July 04, 2013, 10:28:28 pm »
Please reread what you quoted, especially the part about "fear of death or great bodily harm." That is what I have been saying.

So Zimmerman can claim self defense?  It seems like before you were saying he can't

No, I am repeating that he cannot claim self-defense because he had no "reasonable fear of death or bodily injury." As you pointed out, that is a requirement for self-defense. Zimmerman could not have that fear because Martin was not armed with a deadly weapon.

A theory:  Martin's hands could have been thought of as a deadly weapon.  Skilled martial artists and CQC experts need to do so, and Zimmerman could have made that (false) assumption.
It's worse than that. A "reasonable fear of death or bodily injury" can be claimed as soon as Martin touched him. Any fight contains a "reasonable fear of death or bodily injury". Therefore, anyone can argue it in any violent confrontation, because yes, there is a "reasonable fear of death or bodily injury". Remember, bodily injury is a vague term. Is bodily injury pissing blood? Coma? Broken bones? Bruised bones? A scrape? While chances are that last one wouldn't work, the rest are all bodily injuries.
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Re: The Trial of George Zimmerman
« Reply #104 on: July 05, 2013, 04:09:27 am »
A theory:  Martin's hands could have been thought of as a deadly weapon.  Skilled martial artists and CQC experts need to do so, and Zimmerman could have made that (false) assumption.
It's worse than that. A "reasonable fear of death or bodily injury" can be claimed as soon as Martin touched him. Any fight contains a "reasonable fear of death or bodily injury". Therefore, anyone can argue it in any violent confrontation, because yes, there is a "reasonable fear of death or bodily injury". Remember, bodily injury is a vague term. Is bodily injury pissing blood? Coma? Broken bones? Bruised bones? A scrape? While chances are that last one wouldn't work, the rest are all bodily injuries.

Hands, regardless of whose they are, are never considered deadly weapons. And even if they were, Zimmerman would have to have reason to believe that Martin was a skilled martial artist. Since Zimmerman had no idea who Martin was, there is no way he could have had that belief.

PostHuman, the phrase is "serious bodily injury." Legally, that phrase means pretty much "organ failure" or "injury likely to lead to death."
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