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Community => Society and History => Topic started by: the_ignored on February 22, 2014, 04:31:37 am
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Vox Day is about to make a video game with no female characters...for realism! What kind of game?
Read on:
http://manboobz.com/2014/02/19/vox-day-my-orc-and-troll-fighting-game-wont-have-any-women-in-it-because-that-wouldnt-be-historically-accurate/
Or his own site:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/02/why-we-dont-put-girls-in-games.html
I am a game designer. I am designing and producing a game that does not, and will not, have a single female character in it. This is not because I am misogynistic. This is not because I do not women to play the game. This is because putting women in the game makes no sense, violates the principle of the suspension of disbelief, and will not make the game any better as a game.
I am the lead designer of First Sword, a combat management game. The game has orcs and men, elves and dwarves. It has goblins and trolls. But it has no women.
He goes on:
Putting women in the game would be an act of brutal sadism, an act of barbarism even by pagan Roman standards. While the Romans did occasionally put female gladiators in the arena, they were there as a comedic act.
Isn't Vox the same guy who came up with "hypotheticals" where honor killings benefit women? This link (http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87762) goes to the fstdt site. It will have a link to his own site so you can see the context.
How do honor killings benefit women?
Because female promiscuity and divorce are strongly correlated with a whole host of social ills, from low birth and marriage rates to high levels of illegitimacy.
I am assuming that he's not actually serious; even so: To not put women in video games because it's too vicious, while talking about this shit above is insane.
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While it wasn't very common to see women in combat, historically, when the shit really hit the fan, weapons were given to anyone who could swing, aim, and shoot them. That included women.
Can't really afford to be picky when the enemy is knocking on your door and one more person with a weapon could make a difference between you seeing tomorrow or not.
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Vox Day is about to make a video game with no female characters...for realism! What kind of game?
Read on:
http://manboobz.com/2014/02/19/vox-day-my-orc-and-troll-fighting-game-wont-have-any-women-in-it-because-that-wouldnt-be-historically-accurate/
Or his own site:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/02/why-we-dont-put-girls-in-games.html
I am a game designer. I am designing and producing a game that does not, and will not, have a single female character in it. This is not because I am misogynistic. This is not because I do not women to play the game. This is because putting women in the game makes no sense, violates the principle of the suspension of disbelief, and will not make the game any better as a game.
I am the lead designer of First Sword, a combat management game. The game has orcs and men, elves and dwarves. It has goblins and trolls. But it has no women.
He goes on:
Putting women in the game would be an act of brutal sadism, an act of barbarism even by pagan Roman standards. While the Romans did occasionally put female gladiators in the arena, they were there as a comedic act.
Isn't Vox the same guy who came up with "hypotheticals" where honor killings benefit women? This link (http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87762) goes to the fstdt site. It will have a link to his own site so you can see the context.
How do honor killings benefit women?
Because female promiscuity and divorce are strongly correlated with a whole host of social ills, from low birth and marriage rates to high levels of illegitimacy.
I am assuming that he's not actually serious; even so: To not put women in video games because it's too vicious, while talking about this shit above is insane.
Because, as we all know, orcs and trolls are completely historically accurate.
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Tempus took the words out of my mouth. But he's right because I can suspend disbelief to the point of dwarves but not women in combat. The greatest suspension of disbelief is believing that Vox isn't a misogynist. After all women having autonomy is objectively bad and every woman should be in the hand of a male. They are weak and should focus on bearing children and when he talks about punching women he clearly has an erection but no, he's clearly not a misogynist.
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Holy shit, is he fucking trolling us?! Trolls and Goblins are okay but you can't have one fucking woman swing a sword around in your fantasy game? I don't have a reaction .gif that can accurately portray how this makes me feel.
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Has Vox ever provided proof that he's in Mensa? I realize that even intelligent people can hold moronic beliefs, but the flaws in his logic are so glaring that he has to be either a massive dumbass or the world's most dedicated troll.
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Trolls and Goblins but no women huh?
Ironbite-oh look I think Vox has jumped the shark.
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Vox, kindly get the fuck out of the industry before you embarrass yourself...some more. My question is: does he actually expect this thing to sell more than a few dozen copies?
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That's if he's lucky and his mom knows what a video game is.
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Apparently, this guy has never heard of Boudicca. Or Princess Pingyang. Or Nzinga Mbande. Or Isabella of Castile. Or any number of other warrior women.
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I forgot who this guy was, so I looked him up.
Apparently he got expelled from the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America last year after an unsuccessful bid for presidency of the group resulted in him calling a black author "half-savage" and an editor "a fat frog." And in February last year, John Scalzi responded to their ongoing feud by donating $5 to charity every time Beale mentioned him, and some others echoed it; he got over $50,000 raised in less than a week.
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... And in February last year, John Scalzi responded to their ongoing feud by donating $5 to charity every time Beale mentioned him, and some others echoed it; he got over $50,000 raised in less than a week.
Well, at least he did some good, if indirectly.
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I still can't get over how stupid this guy's username is. And I thought I was bad at this...
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I still can't get over how stupid this guy's username is. And I thought I was bad at this...
IT ALL BELONGS TO THE VOX
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I don't particularly care who Vox includes in his game. He's not required to appease everyone else in his own creative works.
If the game ends up being finished at all, it will be judged on whether it's fun to play or not, which is the only thing that really matters.
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I don't particularly care what Vox does with his games being that I'm not terribly inclined to purchase anything that has his name on it, but when he decides to whinge about historical accuracy and then goes on to mention that he's including orcs and trolls in the game, I reserve the right to point and laugh.
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Apparently, this guy has never heard of Boudicca. Or Princess Pingyang. Or Nzinga Mbande. Or Isabella of Castile. Or any number of other warrior women.
And Tomoe Gozen, and Running Eagle...
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Our son was in MENSA. He dropped out because, he said, the members were self-centered oafs and semi-literate.
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I would be really interested in seeing a game by Vox - what is the bet that the graphics are extremely homo-erotic.
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Our son was in MENSA. He dropped out because, he said, the members were self-centered oafs and semi-literate.
This is basically my opinion of MENSA. Everyone I've ever known who's gotten into MENSA (which, to be fair, is a sample of about 3 people) has been an arrogant snotface who uses their test scores as a facade to cover up the fact that they haven't been as successful or brilliant as they expect themselves to be.
Once you get beyond a certain point intelligence has a lot less to do with success than personal drive and motivation do... and that point is well below MENSA levels.
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We could, of course, throw out historical verisimilitude. But we’re not going to. Because we value that verisimilitude far more than we value the opinion of a few whiny women who don’t play the sort of games we make anyhow.
Because nothing says "historical verisimilitude" like gladiator orcs.
Actually, historically female gladiators were a thing. In Rome "barbarian" female warriors fetched a good price and brought in a large number of crowds. But then again, I don't expect someone whose stupid enough to erase 50% of their potential consumers to be intelligent enough to know a little history.
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Beale The Eel apparently comes from an alternate universe where Tomb Raider & Metroid were obscure crappy games that bombed.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Tubman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Tubman)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahhotep_I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahhotep_I)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu_Hao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu_Hao)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_I_of_Caria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_I_of_Caria)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C6%B0ng_Sisters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C6%B0ng_Sisters)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Tri%E1%BB%87u (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Tri%E1%BB%87u)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gudit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gudit)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenobia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gudit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gudit)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_of_Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_of_Georgia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_piracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_piracy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces)
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STOP THROWING FACTS IN MY FACE!
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Trolls and Goblins but no women huh?
Ironbite-oh look I think Vox has jumped the shark.
I'm pretty sure he jumped the shark when he said women getting jobs was worse than rape.
Or maybe he jumped the shark right before he started blogging.
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Dude, when Vox Day was born, he shot out the hospital window and over an entire tank of sharks.
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Yeah, Vox, we all know women have never, ever once ever seen combat.
...oh, wait. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko)
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Trolls and Goblins but no women huh?
Ironbite-oh look I think Vox has jumped the shark.
I'm pretty sure he jumped the shark when he said women getting jobs was worse than rape.
Or maybe he jumped the shark right before he started blogging.
He jumped the shark when the obstetrician said "It's a boy!".
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Trolls and Goblins but no women huh?
Ironbite-oh look I think Vox has jumped the shark.
I'm pretty sure he jumped the shark when he said women getting jobs was worse than rape.
Or maybe he jumped the shark right before he started blogging.
He jumped the shark when the obstetrician said "It's a boy!".
Misandry! JK
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Trolls and Goblins but no women huh?
Ironbite-oh look I think Vox has jumped the shark.
I'm pretty sure he jumped the shark when he said women getting jobs was worse than rape.
Or maybe he jumped the shark right before he started blogging.
He jumped the shark when the obstetrician said "It's a boy!".
He was conceived when a shark handler accidentally shot himself through the balls with a spear gun and hit a woman on the other side of the tank in the uterus.
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Dude, when Vox Day was born, he shot out the hospital window and over an entire tank of sharks.
I read that line to my girlfriend, who then proceeded to laugh her ass off.
Totally sigged. =P
More to the topic, if someone wants to make a game with only male characters, that's fine. Whatever. But the moment you open your mouth to try and justify it beyond something benign, such as, "I just felt like it", then that's when you need to take a step back and examine your brain meats.
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Trolls and Goblins but no women huh?
Ironbite-oh look I think Vox has jumped the shark.
I'm pretty sure he jumped the shark when he said women getting jobs was worse than rape.
Or maybe he jumped the shark right before he started blogging.
He jumped the shark when the obstetrician said "It's a boy!".
He was conceived when a shark handler accidentally shot himself through the balls with a spear gun and hit a woman on the other side of the tank in the uterus.
Not even close.
Vox doesn't just jump the shark.
Vox goes beyond that.
His entire existence has been that of jumping the shark. Every nano-second for billions of years Vox has gone over that shark. He no longer feels the pain even. His mind is beyond fear, boredom, or pain. Over the aeons his conciseness has molded into that brief few seconds of Space-time. He is that jump. His mind has bonded itself with the very concept "Jumping the Shark". He has become part of every time a good TV show failed, every bad M Night Shyamalan twist. All of that was vox. But this wasn't enough, no, it spread its tendrils further. It created a blasphemous abomination to demonstrate all it was or will ever be: a loathsome, slimey blob of flesh and jiggling fat. This Disgusting projection of it's idiotic image is what has been forced upon are minds today.
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Trolls and Goblins but no women huh?
Ironbite-oh look I think Vox has jumped the shark.
I'm pretty sure he jumped the shark when he said women getting jobs was worse than rape.
Or maybe he jumped the shark right before he started blogging.
He jumped the shark when the obstetrician said "It's a boy!".
He was conceived when a shark handler accidentally shot himself through the balls with a spear gun and hit a woman on the other side of the tank in the uterus.
He has existed in a time loop of jumping over a shark, all his posts are merely reflections of his mind.
And what a frightening mind that is...
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Trolls and Goblins but no women huh?
Ironbite-oh look I think Vox has jumped the shark.
I'm pretty sure he jumped the shark when he said women getting jobs was worse than rape.
Or maybe he jumped the shark right before he started blogging.
He jumped the shark when the obstetrician said "It's a boy!".
He was conceived when a shark handler accidentally shot himself through the balls with a spear gun and hit a woman on the other side of the tank in the uterus.
Not even close.
Vox doesn't just jump the shark.
Vox goes beyond that.
His entire existence has been that of jumping the shark. Every nano-second for billions of years Vox has gone over that shark. He no longer feels the pain even. His mind is beyond fear, boredom, or pain. His conciseness has molded into that brief few seconds of Space-time. He is that jump. His mind has bonded itself with the very concept "Jumping the Shark". Every time we think we see someone jump the shark it is only a brief reflection of his conciseness.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5IYv4Ys4VeE/TtOsrBdvsUI/AAAAAAAABa0/FxB8aMCV-JY/s1600/dr+oak+bitch+be+trippin+balls+pokemon+pokeballs+meme.png)
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Dude, when Vox Day was born, he shot out the hospital window and over an entire tank of sharks.
I read that line to my girlfriend, who then proceeded to laugh her ass off.
Totally sigged. =P
More to the topic, if someone wants to make a game with only male characters, that's fine. Whatever. But the moment you open your mouth to try and justify it beyond something benign, such as, "I just felt like it", then that's when you need to take a step back and examine your brain meats.
There's plenty of games with zero female characters. The original Penumbra, for instance, has exactly one character in the game other than the protagonist, and both are male. Amnesia is the same; in fact, quite a few "lone person fighting for survival" horror games have exclusively male characters simply because there aren't enough characters for a gender imbalance to become noticeable.
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For some strange reason, a world with orcs, goblins, and suchlike is just a leeeetle more unrealistic than a world with warriors of a female persuasion. But, you know, that might just be my crazy feminist self.
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What is really funny is that whenever you do read about real females in combat they are ridiculously badass over the top warriors who make their male counterparts look pretty bland by comparison. Every female soldier I have heard mentioned seems to be a hero and not just cannon fodder filling the ranks the way the vast majority of male soldiers are. Perhaps it is just the way we have chosen to portray history (by spicing stories up a bit and only mentioning the heros) or maybe it is because there were so few that only the very cream of the crop -- the 1% that were naturally heros -- got to fight. Either way their stories tend to closely mirror the super soldier overcoming incredible odds archetype present in a lot of video games and any game that is going to use the group of heros on a quest trope really should be including female characters if they want to be 'realistic.'
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I am a game designer. I am designing and producing a game that does not, and will not, have a single female character in it. This is not because I am misogynistic. This is not because I do not women to play the game. This is because putting women in the game makes no sense, violates the principle of the suspension of disbelief, and will not make the game any better as a game.
I am the lead designer of First Sword, a combat management game. The game has orcs and men, elves and dwarves. It has goblins and trolls. But it has no women.
Oh my God. I know where I've heard something a lot like this before.
FATAL claims to be "the most difficult, detailed, realistic and historically/mythically accurate role-playing game available."
Is FATAL Misogynist?
No. The focus of this game is not intended to foster hatred toward females. However, the game attempts to portray females as is accurate in history.
Yeah, the RPG with the rape on every page and the Anal Circumference Tables. Vox is using the same "defense" as Byron Hall's celebration of masturbatory misogyny.
Congrats, Vox! You're in the company of your peers!
(Link to the definitive review of FATAL. Not sanity safe. You have been warned:
http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/14/14567.phtml )
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Anal Circumference Tables.
Every time I hear something about FATAL, it somehow manages to outdo itself and sound even worse.
Is FATAL Misogynist?
No.
It's "not misogynist" only in the contrived sense that if you're bigoted against everyone, then you loop back around the scale (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory) and become an ironic sort of equal-opportunity misanthrope.
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Wow... I wonder if Vox is in any way related to Hall?
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Anal Circumference Tables.
Every time I hear something about FATAL, it somehow manages to outdo itself and sound even worse.
A while back, a friend and I decided to design characters using the FATAL gamebook for shits and giggles. It included such things as vaginal depth and elasticity (to calculate whether or not a rape would tear you open), the shape, length and size of your nipples and areola (which influenced how attractive you are), penis length and girth (again, to calculate whether you'd tear someone open while raping them), and so on. There was also this whole complicated die roll for the likelihood of surviving a rape, with all kinds of crazy modifiers. We made it about half way through, which took well over an hour, before giving up.
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Anal Circumference Tables.
Every time I hear something about FATAL, it somehow manages to outdo itself and sound even worse.
A while back, a friend and I decided to design characters using the FATAL gamebook for shits and giggles. It included such things as vaginal depth and elasticity (to calculate whether or not a rape would tear you open), the shape, length and size of your nipples and areola (which influenced how attractive you are), penis length and girth (again, to calculate whether you'd tear someone open while raping them), and so on. There was also this whole complicated die roll for the likelihood of surviving a rape, with all kinds of crazy modifiers. We made it about half way through, which took well over an hour, before giving up.
...Everytime I hear about FATAL there is one horrible bit or other that gets my attention and I want to complain about that. (Such as wondering how specific it is to make the shape of your nipples affect attractivenes... Is it always or only when the nipples are visible? If they take such small details and make them affect stats does that mean that the chargen is SO specific? It really must take ages to do ANYTHING in the game...) But then I'm reminded that the bits before and after that are just as bad and really, it would be faster to say which parts of the game aren't horrible or just wrong.
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It's all pretty terrible. You can find a copy of the guide here, if you want to give it a go: http://web.archive.org/web/20040413024415/http://www.hyperbooks.com/fatal/fatal.pdf (NSFW due to some... interesting illustrations).
Edit: Decided to create a F.A.T.A.L. character for the hell of it. Thus far, I'm a 36-year-old female human who is 5'5" and 119lbs. I have tan skin; thick, curly, oily blonde hair that reaches my upper back; small blue eyes; and no deformities. I have C-cup breasts with medium coloured, 1" areolas and 1/4" nipples. My vaginal circumference potential is 6-8", and its depth potential is 5.9 inches. My anal circumference potential is 5-6", depth potential is 8.3". My tongue is 2" long. My most attractive feature is my voice, and my least attractive feature are my lips.
I'd do more, but I'm getting sick of this.
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It's all pretty terrible. You can find a copy of the guide here, if you want to give it a go: http://web.archive.org/web/20040413024415/http://www.hyperbooks.com/fatal/fatal.pdf (NSFW due to some... interesting illustrations).
Edit: Decided to create a F.A.T.A.L. character for the hell of it. Thus far, I'm a 36-year-old female human who is 5'5" and 119lbs. I have tan skin; thick, curly, oily blonde hair that reaches my upper back; small blue eyes; and no deformities. I have C-cup breasts with medium coloured, 1" areolas and 1/4" nipples. My vaginal circumference potential is 6-8", and its depth potential is 5.9 inches. My anal circumference potential is 5-6", depth potential is 8.3". My tongue is 2" long. My most attractive feature is my voice, and my least attractive feature are my lips.
I'd do more, but I'm getting sick of this.
Instead of being really anal about specific measurements, why don't they just rate them on a scale from 1 to 10?
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It's all pretty terrible. You can find a copy of the guide here, if you want to give it a go: http://web.archive.org/web/20040413024415/http://www.hyperbooks.com/fatal/fatal.pdf (NSFW due to some... interesting illustrations).
Edit: Decided to create a F.A.T.A.L. character for the hell of it. Thus far, I'm a 36-year-old female human who is 5'5" and 119lbs. I have tan skin; thick, curly, oily blonde hair that reaches my upper back; small blue eyes; and no deformities. I have C-cup breasts with medium coloured, 1" areolas and 1/4" nipples. My vaginal circumference potential is 6-8", and its depth potential is 5.9 inches. My anal circumference potential is 5-6", depth potential is 8.3". My tongue is 2" long. My most attractive feature is my voice, and my least attractive feature are my lips.
I'd do more, but I'm getting sick of this.
Instead of being really anal about specific measurements, why don't they just rate them on a scale from 1 to 10?
So you don't want them to be anal about their anal measurements?
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Anal Circumference Tables.
Every time I hear something about FATAL, it somehow manages to outdo itself and sound even worse.
A while back, a friend and I decided to design characters using the FATAL gamebook for shits and giggles. It included such things as vaginal depth and elasticity (to calculate whether or not a rape would tear you open), the shape, length and size of your nipples and areola (which influenced how attractive you are), penis length and girth (again, to calculate whether you'd tear someone open while raping them), and so on. There was also this whole complicated die roll for the likelihood of surviving a rape, with all kinds of crazy modifiers. We made it about half way through, which took well over an hour, before giving up.
What the fuck.
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It's all pretty terrible. You can find a copy of the guide here, if you want to give it a go: http://web.archive.org/web/20040413024415/http://www.hyperbooks.com/fatal/fatal.pdf (NSFW due to some... interesting illustrations).
Edit: Decided to create a F.A.T.A.L. character for the hell of it. Thus far, I'm a 36-year-old female human who is 5'5" and 119lbs. I have tan skin; thick, curly, oily blonde hair that reaches my upper back; small blue eyes; and no deformities. I have C-cup breasts with medium coloured, 1" areolas and 1/4" nipples. My vaginal circumference potential is 6-8", and its depth potential is 5.9 inches. My anal circumference potential is 5-6", depth potential is 8.3". My tongue is 2" long. My most attractive feature is my voice, and my least attractive feature are my lips.
I'd do more, but I'm getting sick of this.
Instead of being really anal about specific measurements, why don't they just rate them on a scale from 1 to 10?
So you don't want them to be anal about their anal measurements?
Well, it would make it a lot simpler.
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I wonder if F.A.T.A.L is trolling? Not only is the subject matter repulsive but it's impossible to play.
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According to the review, and yes, I read the WHOLE fucking thing, the creator is likely a complete sociopath who doesn't even understand the concept of basic human morality, much less what constitutes trolling; he responded to their review in words that, according to them, came off in a very creepily neutral, almost deadpan monotone manner. That's not the hallmark of a stable individual.
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According to the review, and yes, I read the WHOLE fucking thing, the creator is likely a complete sociopath who doesn't even understand the concept of basic human morality, much less what constitutes trolling; he responded to their review in words that, according to them, came off in a very creepily neutral, almost deadpan monotone manner. That's not the hallmark of a stable individual.
We'll if this weirdo's serious, then at least make his abomination "playable". You can make the stupidest game in the universe but if gameplay is impossible, then it's useless.
Perhaps his screws are so totally loose that the gameplay is feasible in his own deranged mind....or maybe calculating orifice-sizes for hours on end is fun for him.
People don't care about orifices! They just want to slay dragons, kill orcs, stake vampires & zap various hellspawn.
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I have no idea who that game was even meant for.
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I have no idea who that game was even meant for.
"the most difficult, detailed, realistic and historically/mythically accurate role-playing game available."
The writers of that game believec they were making a serious game for serious people. None of that silliness in AD&D with the living underwear that posses people and duckwolfs and whatnot.
They just assumed that those serious people wish to roleplay their rape fantasies. Which is a thing you can do in this game (Wow! So realistic!) while "dating" on the other hand has no rules. So basically, if you wish to rape and disembowel your victim and then "feast on their warm innards" as the game suggests on page 2, there are rules for that. Probably rules for any diseases or stomach ache you get for that. (Roll fir diarrhea, see if you mess your hose.) If you want non-violent and consensual interaction with people, you're going to have to make up your own rules or simply roleplay that.
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According to the review, and yes, I read the WHOLE fucking thing, the creator is likely a complete sociopath who doesn't even understand the concept of basic human morality, much less what constitutes trolling; he responded to their review in words that, according to them, came off in a very creepily neutral, almost deadpan monotone manner. That's not the hallmark of a stable individual.
We'll if this weirdo's serious, then at least make his abomination "playable". You can make the stupidest game in the universe but if gameplay is impossible, then it's useless.
Perhaps his screws are so totally loose that the gameplay is feasible in his own deranged mind....or maybe calculating orifice-sizes for hours on end is fun for him.
People don't care about orifices! They just want to slay dragons, kill orcs, stake vampires & zap various hellspawn.
This is old-school gaming. It's not supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be a time consuming slogfest were you just kill rat after rat in the sewer with a bent stick before gaining the right to actually play the character you dared to imagine. Realism!
(Oh how I wish I was joking right now... But no, there are people who actually say that kind of stuff.)
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According to the review, and yes, I read the WHOLE fucking thing, the creator is likely a complete sociopath who doesn't even understand the concept of basic human morality, much less what constitutes trolling; he responded to their review in words that, according to them, came off in a very creepily neutral, almost deadpan monotone manner. That's not the hallmark of a stable individual.
We'll if this weirdo's serious, then at least make his abomination "playable". You can make the stupidest game in the universe but if gameplay is impossible, then it's useless.
Perhaps his screws are so totally loose that the gameplay is feasible in his own deranged mind....or maybe calculating orifice-sizes for hours on end is fun for him.
People don't care about orifices! They just want to slay dragons, kill orcs, stake vampires & zap various hellspawn.
This is old-school gaming. It's not supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be a time consuming slogfest were you just kill rat after rat in the sewer with a bent stick before gaining the right to actually play the character you dared to imagine. Realism!
(Oh how I wish I was joking right now... But no, there are people who actually say that kind of stuff.)
Or in the case of FATAL, raping street kids and disabled people with a 2" knob at half-mast for hours on end before you move on to ripping the most beautiful women you can imagine in half (with copious amounts of screaming, pain and general viscera, naturally) with a shlong as big and hard as a redwood.
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According to the review, and yes, I read the WHOLE fucking thing, the creator is likely a complete sociopath who doesn't even understand the concept of basic human morality, much less what constitutes trolling; he responded to their review in words that, according to them, came off in a very creepily neutral, almost deadpan monotone manner. That's not the hallmark of a stable individual.
We'll if this weirdo's serious, then at least make his abomination "playable". You can make the stupidest game in the universe but if gameplay is impossible, then it's useless.
Perhaps his screws are so totally loose that the gameplay is feasible in his own deranged mind....or maybe calculating orifice-sizes for hours on end is fun for him.
People don't care about orifices! They just want to slay dragons, kill orcs, stake vampires & zap various hellspawn.
It doesn't help that its so fundamentally broken on a basic, mechanical level that a baby with Down's could exploit it. Seriously, you could have two characters constantly steal some valuable object from one another for infinite experience with absolutely zero effort, if they happen to be bandits...considering the world of FATAL is one in which literally half of all men are rapists, it is quite likely that your players are the raping-and-pillaging bandit types.
Oh, and if you want to have a guaranteed Urination check (yes, you have to make a skill check to take a piss in the world of FATAL) you have to, on average, be level 20. Which takes hundreds of millions of experience, which requires an obscene amount of grind to achieve. You also roll to see how much shit you knock out of someone's ass if you manage to make a critical hit to their rectum...yes, the damage is THAT specific, and NO, you don't harm any of the surrounding tissue, even if you're using a battle axe with an edge as wide as a small building.
FATAL isn't just for moronic man-children who think copious amounts of rape and gore is amusing, but its for people whose sense of challenge is so warped, so mind-breakingly out of control that they make "hardcore" gamers look like perfectly reasonable people. The "game," such as it is, is the most abominably fucked up thing I've ever come across...and I've come across such gems as Gummo, Manos, and The Room. Yes, I'd much rather watch The Room (and not the Rifftrax version, either) than even consider reading the 900 pages of horror that is FATAL.
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About that review, I did get a good laugh out of the description of the "Official Theme Song" of this abomination. "Cookie Monster chasing a drum kit down a flight of stairs".
Yes! This 900+ page incomprehensible & gruesome tome that would make C'thulhu barf has a THEME SONG!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TLlbVW-VA0
...and WADDAYAKNOW...It sounds like garbage........
.....or Cookie Monster chasing a drum kit down a flight of stairs!
But that would be an insult to the wonderful, huggable, lovable, hilarious, fun-loving blue Muppet hairball!
Okay...Cookie Monster's devil-possessed evil twin's having the tom-tom/stairway caper!