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Offline Neith

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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2014, 03:05:17 am »
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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2014, 06:27:05 am »
The trouble I have with them is that many of them seem to think that rights are a zero sum game. If the "other" gets rights, then they lose them.

Racists, and not a few fundamentalist religious types tend to think like this as well.

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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2014, 12:35:07 pm »
The trouble I have with them is that many of them seem to think that rights are a zero sum game. If the "other" gets rights, then they lose them.

Racists, and not a few fundamentalist religious types tend to think like this as well.

Well when it comes to jobs and careers, there can be a zero sum situation given the condition that there is always more people of working age than there are jobs.

Attempts at workplace diversity could raise the probability of getting a job for minorities, but also could likely lower the probability for whites.
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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2014, 04:35:59 pm »
Schemes like, say, Positive Discrimination policies might raise the probability that folks applying under that scheme might get a job-but people who aren't covered already have an advantage even if they don't want to acknowledge it.

I can see how people might view this particular type of thing as a zero-sum situation, but I'm stumped as to how else you deal with systemic or historical disadvantage. You can pretend that everyone is on a level playing field but that doesn't change the fact that it isn't necessarily so. In any case most of the achievements of feminism have simply been about allowing women to participate in what were formerly male-only fields at all without any intervention to create an artificial advantage.

I've certainly worked in areas where positive discrimination for the purpose of creating work was totally justified but it's outside of the realm of women's or men's rights per se and I don't want to derail things.

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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2014, 09:30:26 pm »
Additional problems include the fact that they're only interested in helping out a very particular type of men. I don't see them being advocates about the racial profiling that men of color face, or the fact that men of color are systematically lead into the prison system. I don't see them advocating queer men. In fact many of them consider queer men to be collaborators with feminism. I don't see them advocating making safe spaces for trans men. I don't see them advocating for male victims of abuse, because many think that male victims of abuse are too "weak".
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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2014, 07:32:08 am »
Maybe they should be called GHMAWMRA's.

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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2014, 08:14:42 am »
Maybe they should be called GHMAWMRA's.

Grumpy Heterosexual Middle Aged White Men's right's activists!

Nah, some of them are young men who feel society owes them a woman.

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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2014, 11:01:08 am »
Call them "Male Supremacists" and leave it at that.

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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2014, 11:10:06 am »
They are less "equal treatment for men" and more "stop those evil feminists".
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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2014, 11:27:22 am »
From what I've seen and observed, the MRA movement is a self-serving movement in which the ultimate goal for MRAs is to be able to live a general and romantic life as they see fit.  The MRAs do not care what other demographic group's rights are trampled to reach this goal.  They use feminism as a scapegoat for why their lives aren't ideal instead of understanding that even though they do actually have social privileges life can still be hard and success doesn't come easy.

Most if not all MRAs are fiscally conservative, and practically all of the MRAs I've seen are socially conservative.  Some will claim that they are Libertarian which makes no sense since, while fiscally conservative, Libertarians are socially liberal and support feminism and equal rights for everyone.

Maybe they should be called GHMAWMRA's.

Grumpy Heterosexual Middle Aged White Men's right's activists!

Nah, some of them are young men who feel society owes them a woman.

Like I've said in another thread, when MRAs talk about "women", they're referring to the supermodel/highly conventionally attractive type and not the Plain Jane sort.  They want these women to be very attractive while being submissive to them, which is why mail order brides from patriarchal countries are very popular in this crowd.  All this,mind you, while the MRA isn't exactly a model type himself, may not even exercise or eat right, and/or has the character, merits, and/or personal hygiene anyone would find God awfully appalling.

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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2014, 06:02:34 pm »
Some will claim that they are Libertarian which makes no sense since, while fiscally conservative, Libertarians are socially liberal and support feminism and equal rights for everyone.

It seems they believe "liberty" only applies to them, the same way fundy Christians believe freedom of religion only applies to their freedom of their religion. If anyone else has this freedom, they act like it's taking away from theirs.

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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2014, 06:05:37 pm »
Those people are idiots.  Freedom is not a zero-sum game.

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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2014, 01:04:30 am »
Short answer is everything I suppose.

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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2014, 01:32:32 am »
Some of those people are idiots, the reast are batshit insane.  Freedom is not a zero-sum game.

Fixed that for you.
Don’t forget the outright threat MRAs pose to society. I not just talking about the rape quotes listed in the quote database or TL:DR WARGARBLE essays by psychotic man children about how women deserve to be raped.

Organized groups of MRAs actively seek to sabotage gender relations to create conflict. The Occidental College Incident, the backlash against women in the videogame industry and the footholds they have in tech (thanks for allowing and tolerating them FOSS community!).
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Re: What's wrong with MRAs?
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2014, 08:45:05 am »
They're all Sexist Egotistical Lying Hypocritical Bigots!

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