Worst of Social Justice

[Ghoti]

I think this is one of those situations where context and intent is hugely important. Jacking off a horse/bull/whathaveyou to collect its semen for AI? Yeah, that's gross but it's not morally wrong. There's some other factor besides "I just really get off from it": maybe you're having the sperm frozen and shipped across the country because it's easier to more than the whole animal. Jacking off a horse/bull/whathaveyou and doing... other things with the semen (I remember a story about a guy who loved to drink horse splooge especially after he'd dipped his dick in it, contact Encyclopedia Dramatica for more into and your local bartender for brain bleach)? Yeah, that's both gross and morally wrong.

[Caitshidhe]

What is this I don't even.......

Let me guess, a "transspecies" person wrote that...

I dunno but probably.

Dakota Bob: they also sometimes call themselves 'trans species' since I guess they figure it gives them more credence than 'otherkin'.

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

So... sexual desires are somehow inherently worse than the desire to cut costs when breeding animals? How does the intent of the guy jerking off the horse in any way alter the impact it has on the actual animal? I mean, if it's the actual animal we're concerned about here, and not just protecting our own delicate sensibilities, shouldn't we be basing this on the harm it does to them versus our own ideas concerning abstract concepts like "intent"? 'cause I seriously doubt the horse cares why it's being jerked off.

[RavynousHunter]

So... sexual desires are somehow inherently worse than the desire to cut costs when breeding animals?

I...well...yes.  Seriously, is that post just you taking the piss?  Please tell me you're taking the piss.

[mellenORL]

It would be less gross and awkward for both the animal and the care taker, and maybe kinder to the male animal whose sperm is being harvested, if they used a female animal analog dummy with the collection vial inside it. That is actually done in some circumstances.

If we're going to continue keeping animals in zoos and trying to breed the most efficiently productive meat animals, we're gonna have to accept that we do odd things to animals to maintain those activities. Treating those animals with as much respect for their well being as is possible is the ethical course to take.

[Witchyjoshy]

It would be less gross and awkward for both the animal and the care taker, and maybe kinder to the male animal whose sperm is being harvested, if they used a female animal analog dummy with the collection vial inside it. That is actually done in some circumstances.

And considering what the current discussion is about, I'm suddenly reminded of Pasiphaë, the mother of the minotaur, and the method of how she became the mother of the minotaur.

[chitoryu12]

Actually, Antechrist is raising some good points about the decisions we make. Is the view against bestiality and zoophilia due to it being harmful to the animal 100% of the time? A lot of the potential actions involved in it aren't harmful to the animal at all, and some cases (like going all Catherine the Great) are more harmful to the human. Some things in bestiality are almost identical to what is done to gather sperm from the animals for scientific reasons, with the intent being what makes it different. In which case, you have to admit that you're only wanting to make it illegal because you basically find it creepy. And you can't really say that the animals suffer psychological scarring; their brains operate on an entirely different level from ours, and an animal's idea of sexuality and sexual intercourse is nothing like our own.

So the big question is whether we're trying to make it illegal due to it actually being a 100% harmful act, or because it offends our moral sensibilities. I think the answer starts to become a bit more clear when people want to shift the subject away from the discussion because they find it "too creepy".

[Thejebusfire]

How very compassionate of you.



Do they not realize how insulting this can? be to trans people?

[RavynousHunter]

How very compassionate of you.

Because animals never kill other animals.  It'd be like the bullshit Garden of Eden without us humans going around fucking and killing.

Do they not realize how insulting this can? be to trans people?

If they do, they don't care.  Transsexuals are oppressive because their problems are real, and not in the realm of quasi-intellectual hob-knobbery.

[Dakota Bob]

Wow okay, so pretending you're an animal is totes a serious issue now?

[solar.]

I hope this bitch ends up homeless for a few months. Then she'll be eating her words...

[Cerim Treascair]

Wow okay, so pretending you're an animal is totes a serious issue now?

*fistbumps Dakota* Bunnie is best Freedom Fighter.

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

Actually, Antechrist is raising some good points about the decisions we make. Is the view against bestiality and zoophilia due to it being harmful to the animal 100% of the time? A lot of the potential actions involved in it aren't harmful to the animal at all, and some cases (like going all Catherine the Great) are more harmful to the human. Some things in bestiality are almost identical to what is done to gather sperm from the animals for scientific reasons, with the intent being what makes it different. In which case, you have to admit that you're only wanting to make it illegal because you basically find it creepy. And you can't really say that the animals suffer psychological scarring; their brains operate on an entirely different level from ours, and an animal's idea of sexuality and sexual intercourse is nothing like our own.

So the big question is whether we're trying to make it illegal due to it actually being a 100% harmful act, or because it offends our moral sensibilities. I think the answer starts to become a bit more clear when people want to shift the subject away from the discussion because they find it "too creepy".

Pretty much this. I don't believe this is the great civil rights issue of our time nor am I particularly invested in whether or not we let some guy jerk off a horse for sexual gratitude, but it's difficult to ignore the questionable nature of the arguments being made for why one intent is okay while another isn't.

[Caitshidhe]

Do they not realize how insulting this can? be to trans people?

If they do, they don't care.  Transsexuals are oppressive because their problems are real, and not in the realm of quasi-intellectual hob-knobbery.

They've actually claimed before that transsexual people have privilege over 'otherkin' because there is no such thing as 'species reassignment surgery'.

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

Pretty sure no one is beating up and murdering otherkin for merely existing.