Worst of Social Justice

[Thejebusfire]

That's from a troll blog.

I can't tell the difference half the time.

[fancy_kitten]

Am I appropriating from the Chinese if I eat rice?

No but you probably would be if you cooked a cultural Chinese recipe involving rice and called it authentic Chinese.  Cultural appropriation is about being able to do things that people from various cultures can't do without being seen as stereotypes, or taking things that have a great deal of importance to another culture and virtually none to you, like wearing an American Indian war bonnet if one isn't an American Indian.

And in response to those directly above me.... yeah, obviously a bunch of crap from an obvious troll blog didn't actually happen.  Just because a bad thing, in this case sexist oppression, doesn't constantly happen to every person it could happen to everywhere doesn't mean it isn't a problem. 

In case it isn't already fairly clear, I'm the odd person who actually pretty much supports the various causes generally known as 'social justice.'  I'm hoping you won't ban me for this, considering the fact that I've seen legitimate fundies have been allowed to have accounts here. 

[Thejebusfire]

A lot of Tumblr users have a history of over exaggerating things.

And most people on this form support social justice. Otherwise, this thread wouldn't exist:

http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=4478.915;topicseen

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

Cultural appropriation is about being able to do things that people from various cultures can't do without being seen as stereotypes

That's straight up racism. Appropriation is when the actual act of using a sacred cultural item is disrespectful -- what you cited deals with society's response based on race.

or taking things that have a great deal of importance to another culture and virtually none to you, like wearing an American Indian war bonnet if one isn't an American Indian.

This, on the other hand, is misappropriation.

Also, non-Natives can wear war bonnets without disrespect if a band presents one to them & its worn in the appropriate setting. Likewise, if Natives from non-plains bands use war bonnets as fashion or to make money, it's also disrespectful.

Just because a bad thing, in this case sexist oppression, doesn't constantly happen to every person it could happen to everywhere doesn't mean it isn't a problem. 

Well yeah, that goes without saying.

In case it isn't already fairly clear, I'm the odd person who actually pretty much supports the various causes generally known as 'social justice.'

Most of us aren't anti-social justice, we simply take issue with people who turn it into a mockery or behave hypocritically. For instance, people whose philosophy borders on segregation (versus simply acknowledging differences and taking them into account when analyzing politics), spew outright hatred towards majorities, claim to be intersectional and then ignore regional differences, and so on.

I'm hoping you won't ban me for this, considering the fact that I've seen legitimate fundies have been allowed to have accounts here.

I doubt you'll be banned. This forum is pretty open to social justice causes and (despite some recent drama regarding the subject) we enjoy having healthy debates.

In any case, welcome.

[fancy_kitten]

That's straight up racism. Appropriation is when the actual act of using a sacred cultural item is disrespectful -- what you cited deals with society's response based on race.

Hmm.  I will state here that I myself am white and am only trying to do the right thing by repeating by what I've heard, so I can't speak for anyone who actually experiences racism or verify for certain if this is correct.  However, I would build on that statement by saying that cultural appropriation deserves to be defined by the people it harms, and I have seen it the term used the way I did above. 
 

This, on the other hand, is misappropriation.

Also, non-Natives can wear war bonnets without disrespect if a band presents one to them & its worn in the appropriate setting. Likewise, if Natives from non-plains bands use war bonnets as fashion or to make money, it's also disrespectful.

Like I said, I can't personally verify if this is true.

Well yeah, that goes without saying.

I agree

Most of us aren't anti-social justice, we simply take issue with people who turn it into a mockery or behave hypocritically. For instance, people whose philosophy borders on segregation (versus simply acknowledging differences and taking them into account when analyzing politics), spew outright hatred towards majorities, claim to be intersectional and then ignore regional differences, and so on.

That's comforting to know.  I'll admit I may have been overzealous a minute ago, though in my defense the stuff I was reading here didn't exactly give me a lot of confidence in the direction this thread was going overall.  Also, wasn't this thread called something like "social justice advocates are my new fundies" at some point?

I doubt you'll be banned. This forum is pretty open to social justice causes and (despite some recent drama regarding the subject) we enjoy having healthy debates.

In any case, welcome.

Thank you 

[davedan]

I don't understand how food can ever be cultural appropriation. Taking something sacred or important to one culture and crassly commercialising it is in bad taste but I am not sure that it could ever actually harm someone. Taking food from another culture and incorporating it and making it part of your culture benefits everyone as the people from the old culture get to eat food that the like in more places. Also how else would there be Korean Burrito places. Do people really want an end to food fusion. And for instance why shouldn't someone, if they cook a food in a particular style be able to call it whatever it is.


Or do you think the Iron Chef's should have been called Iron Chef - Japanese guy cooking French style food rather than Iron Chef French.

[RavynousHunter]

Davedan, I now demand that you make me Korean burritos!

[ironbite]

Fancy Kitten: Welcome to the forums.  As you posted outside of the regulation "Hi I'm New Here Thread", I'm just going to have to consume you.

Ironbite-*gets out knife and fork*  Time to dine.

[RavynousHunter]

Shouldn't we let her baste for a while?  Let the flavour soak in, ya know.

[gyeonghwa]

I do think food can be appropriated if you make it then took all the credit for it without acknowledging the culture that you learned it from. But that is more cultural theft and is not limited to white people. The idea that simply making and eating it is appropriation is wankery at its best.

[davedan]

Davedan, I now demand that you make me Korean burritos!

Being neither Korean nor central American I will give you a sao with vegemite on it instead. But in all seriousness Korean Burritos they have them in mother fucking LA.

Edit:

Gyeonghwa - I would have thought cultural appropriation would not be limited to white people either. And with food people usually acknowledge the culture it comes from because they want to tap into the market for that food.

[Ultimate Paragon]

Davedan, I now demand that you make me Korean burritos!

Being neither Korean nor central American I will give you a sao with vegemite on it instead. But in all seriousness Korean Burritos they have them in mother fucking LA.

Edit:

Gyeonghwa - I would have thought cultural appropriation would not be limited to white people either. And with food people usually acknowledge the culture it comes from because they want to tap into the market for that food.

I think they might have been brought over by actual Koreans.

[davedan]

They could have been brought over by Koreans except for the fact that they don't have burritos in Korea. 

They are a product of the interaction between the large Korean and Hispanic populations in LA. A wonderful example of cultures fusing.

Kind of like Chicken Tikka Massala which funnily enough comes from London.

[chitoryu12]

I do think food can be appropriated if you make it then took all the credit for it without acknowledging the culture that you learned it from. But that is more cultural theft and is not limited to white people. The idea that simply making and eating it is appropriation is wankery at its best.

As far as SJWs are concerned, everything bad you can do is limited to white cissexual heterosexual people.

[gyeonghwa]

Davedan, I now demand that you make me Korean burritos!

Being neither Korean nor central American I will give you a sao with vegemite on it instead. But in all seriousness Korean Burritos they have them in mother fucking LA.

Edit:

Gyeonghwa - I would have thought cultural appropriation would not be limited to white people either. And with food people usually acknowledge the culture it comes from because they want to tap into the market for that food.

You'd be surprise at how many people don't. I mention it primarily because tumblr has some people (thisisnotchina being one) who thinks Sriracha is the thing king of food condiments and eat it religiously but then turn around and claim stupid shit like "you can't eat our cultural food" (Because Sriracha is totally a Han Chinese name and not a Thai-Malay one.)

As for Korean tacos, stick with the soft tortilla and not the hard shell one. Personal opinion but the flavor isn't great with hard shell. The whole thing is an LA tradition.