Worst of Social Justice

[I am lizard]

I think this might be the epitome of how the SJ narrative fucks things up:

This is Scott Aaronson's story of his struggles as a shy, nerdy guy.

This is Amanda Marcotte's reading of that story.

What's remarkable about the Marcotte piece - and what seems common in particular to feminist pieces, but also nowadays increasingly across a lot of left-wing commentry - is the utter denial of the possibility of failure at their end. The idea that Aaronson feels the way he does because feminism has failed in any way, whether through action, implementation or communication, is inconceivable; hence Aaronson, in not being entirely sold, must be a sexist asshole. I wouldn't say that Aaronson's comment is entirely enlightened, but it is emotionally honest, and his point seems to be that feminist rhetoric doesn't always seem to square with practicalities in the real world, or with the actions of women themselves. This would suggest that either the theory needs to be better, or the disparity explaining better, but this winds up being off-limits to Marcotte.

The Marcotte piece also seems to possess the other major implicit theme, that men need to improve, but women need do nothing whatsoever to change their outlook, and don't need to be encouraged either - that once men reject patriarchal values, women will magically change with them, because all women are feminists waiting to happen. Y'know, just like all poor people are socialists waiting to happen, and all atheists are Christians waiting to happen, etc., etc...

I just thought that while the guy's post was probably being melodramatic her response was... Bad, to say the least. It would have been better if she had spent more time giving decent arguments as to why his talking points are wrong.

[Second Coming of Madman]

[Søren]

I saw that, she apologized and deleted the post. She got heaps of harassment for it.

[The_Queen]

As offensive as that woman's words are....they're not a hate crime.

Ironbite-You just can't label anything you want a hate crime.

Reminds me of the line from King of the Hill: Dale just had someone vandalize his property (accidentally, but he didn't know that) at night, so he goes to the police and says,

Dale: This is a hate crime.
Police: how do you know?
Dale: It is a crime, and this person clearly hates me.

Also, worth noting from the first line of a certain wikipedia page,

Expressions of hatred toward someone on account of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation is forbidden.

So, it doesn't appear that weight would even be covered by such a statute. Heck, disability isn't even covered as a protected class under this statute (and I mention this as in the United States, weight is also not a protected class, though severe obesity may be considered a disability and get ADAAA protections).

This is why I always tell people to just go to a lawyer.

[Damen]

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

In related news...

[guizonde]

i'm pretty sure that counts as delusions of grandeur, and is considered a mental illness in the dsm v. divine-kin.... talk about bullshit.

[Sigmaleph]

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

I don't think that's the point. I think Person 2 is trying to say that abused teenagers usually are complaining about something more serious than that, and so the implication that it's just being told to go to their room is part of the mocking.

[I am lizard]

Then the GoC kills you.

[ironbite]

Then the GoC kills you.

I want to go up to that person and go "Alright you're a god.  Kill me with your divine presence."

Ironbite-then slap them in the face with a fish until it happens.

[guizonde]

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

I don't think that's the point. I think Person 2 is trying to say that abused teenagers usually are complaining about something more serious than that, and so the implication that it's just being told to go to their room is part of the mocking.

wait, people actually beg on the internet through paypal? have we come to an age of cyber-begging? aw man, i'm so glad not to be on tumblr.

[Ghoti]

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

I don't think that's the point. I think Person 2 is trying to say that abused teenagers usually are complaining about something more serious than that, and so the implication that it's just being told to go to their room is part of the mocking.

wait, people actually beg on the internet through paypal? have we come to an age of cyber-begging? aw man, i'm so glad not to be on tumblr.

Yep, everyone and their Sherlock-kin headmate has a PayPal/GoFundMe/whatever on their blog. Sometimes it's warrented ("help me afford surgery/an escape from an abusive home"), sometimes it's not ("help me afford expensive electronic cat ears to express my kin type").

[niam2023]

...wait a sec, I saw something similar to these divine-kin in American Horror Story.

Oh, this makes them about six to ten times creepier.

[I am lizard]

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

I don't think that's the point. I think Person 2 is trying to say that abused teenagers usually are complaining about something more serious than that, and so the implication that it's just being told to go to their room is part of the mocking.

wait, people actually beg on the internet through paypal? have we come to an age of cyber-begging? aw man, i'm so glad not to be on tumblr.

Yep, everyone and their Sherlock-kin headmate has a PayPal/GoFundMe/whatever on their blog. Sometimes it's warrented ("help me afford surgery/an escape from an abusive home"), sometimes it's not ("help me afford expensive electronic cat ears to express my kin type").

I generally get "Help me pay for hormone therapy" or, because I follow a lot of artists "Please fund this animation/book I'm working on." On my dash.

[Thejebusfire]

I've seen a few teenagers begging for people to buy them shit from their Amazon wishlist.

[Sigmaleph]

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

I don't think that's the point. I think Person 2 is trying to say that abused teenagers usually are complaining about something more serious than that, and so the implication that it's just being told to go to their room is part of the mocking.

wait, people actually beg on the internet through paypal? have we come to an age of cyber-begging? aw man, i'm so glad not to be on tumblr.

Oh yeah. We've gotten to the point that "make up a sob story and set up a paypal account" is a viable business strategy.

Which doesn't invalidate all the people who actually are victims of abuse, of course.

(on a wider interpretation Kickstarter and Patreon can also be thought of as "cyber-begging", but of a qualitatively different sort)