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« Reply #6480 on: June 29, 2015, 06:32:03 pm »
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "desu" considered a word of politeness? Kind of like saying "I hate you, sir. I would like to murder you if you wouldn't mind terribly."

"Excuse me, but would you be put out if I ended your life?  I know it seems like a bother, I know, but it needs to be done sooner or later, and I have chose to opt for sooner."

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« Reply #6481 on: June 29, 2015, 06:53:27 pm »
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "desu" considered a word of politeness? Kind of like saying "I hate you, sir. I would like to murder you if you wouldn't mind terribly."

"Excuse me, but would you be put out if I ended your life?  I know it seems like a bother, I know, but it needs to be done sooner or later, and I have chose to opt for sooner."

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6482 on: June 29, 2015, 07:28:08 pm »
"Excuse me sir, but if you don't mind I would like to massacre you and your entire family. It won't take too long and I won't make it inconvenient. You just need to rot in the earth and become food for worms. Thanks and goodbye!"
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« Reply #6483 on: June 29, 2015, 07:54:16 pm »
Excuse me, but I was wondering if it's alright if I hold you down against your will for a bit?

So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "desu" considered a word of politeness? Kind of like saying "I hate you, sir. I would like to murder you if you wouldn't mind terribly."

According to Wikipedia...

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Desu, a Japanese copula (です), or word used to grammatically link a subject and predicate, often translated into English using the verb "it is/ to be"

And it's more formal than "da."
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6484 on: June 30, 2015, 01:12:32 am »
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "desu" considered a word of politeness? Kind of like saying "I hate you, sir. I would like to murder you if you wouldn't mind terribly."
Anime and manga characters often end their speech/sentence with some word or phrase. This is done to show their character or simply as a joke. You will find numerous servant type characters (maid in particular) as well as polite older or "old fashioned" characters use the "desu" ending. Rurouni Kenshin (nice and polite samurai) for example says the desu often. (The character is much more complex than that, but relevant to this discussion: his use of the word desu ALL THE TIME is meant as a example of how he is polite.)

Likewise if you have a character that is a talking cat then every single phrase it says ends with the equivalent of "meow." And "Fairy tail" made a joke about it by having a crab-man appear and everyone had expected him to end his sentences with "crab" but instead he used the name of some other animal, because they were joking with the joke by subverting it.

Now that I think about it, Mahou Sensei Negima also joked with this. There was a character that hadn't said a word in most of the series and when she started talking all her sentences ended with "pokyo" (or something like that) and the characters debated whether that was weird or just part of her being a "odd/cute character." ...Then she started accidentally using other words and people realized that she was just playing around.

Translators usually leave it out because it would sound extremely silly to non-japanese, but my point is that the "desu" bit is a anime/manga trope that really does not translate well. In this case being polite while giving out death threats is the equivalent of a dude in fedora and leather coat tipping his hat and going "my lady" because he thinks it makes him look cool.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6485 on: June 30, 2015, 06:16:48 am »
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« Reply #6486 on: June 30, 2015, 08:29:48 am »
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6487 on: June 30, 2015, 09:33:46 am »


Granted, this seems really over the top, so it might be a troll.  On the other hand, Poe's law.

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« Reply #6488 on: June 30, 2015, 09:55:54 am »
The sad part is that #3 and #6 are completely agreeable.  #7 is a bit extreme, I'd just have them politely ignored.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6489 on: June 30, 2015, 01:27:17 pm »
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6490 on: June 30, 2015, 06:17:38 pm »
She did her thing as she had to. Classic political protest, not a "heckler" incident. She knew she would get kicked out, and most importantly, knew what she was saying about unfair deportations would be reported in the press and heard in the video. I found it kind of sad that people in the room were "shushing" her, supposedly her fellow LGBTQ activists. What she did was very brave in the face of all that. Under Obama's and the Republican-dominated Congress' tenure we have seen record deportations and other bad actions in re immigration, and things are vastly more difficult for LGBTQ immigrants.

You said it very well. I think her actions should be in the best of social justice. Yeah, her impassioned speech was imprudent: so is any call for civil rights. Dr. King said it best that no oppressor has ever graciously given up his power without the oppressed causing a ruckus.

And worst of all, 46 years after the Stonewall Riots (almost to the day), we've forgotten that one of the most prominent voices to come from Stonewall and to shape the modern day LGBTQ (also known as "the LGbt movement") was a latina transwoman heckler. Instead, many white, cis, gay, men have happily traded their status of being oppressed in favor of being oppressors.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6491 on: June 30, 2015, 06:42:55 pm »
She did her thing as she had to. Classic political protest, not a "heckler" incident. She knew she would get kicked out, and most importantly, knew what she was saying about unfair deportations would be reported in the press and heard in the video. I found it kind of sad that people in the room were "shushing" her, supposedly her fellow LGBTQ activists. What she did was very brave in the face of all that. Under Obama's and the Republican-dominated Congress' tenure we have seen record deportations and other bad actions in re immigration, and things are vastly more difficult for LGBTQ immigrants.

You said it very well. I think her actions should be in the best of social justice. Yeah, her impassioned speech was imprudent: so is any call for civil rights. Dr. King said it best that no oppressor has ever graciously given up his power without the oppressed causing a ruckus.

And worst of all, 46 years after the Stonewall Riots (almost to the day), we've forgotten that one of the most prominent voices to come from Stonewall and to shape the modern day LGBTQ (also known as "the LGbt movement") was a latina transwoman heckler. Instead, many white, cis, gay, men have happily traded their status of being oppressed in favor of being oppressors.

1.  There's reason to believe that the "Transgender Stonewall" story is a myth:

http://igfculturewatch.com/2002/03/07/the-myth-of-a-transgender-stonewall/

2.  Difference is, she wasn't marching across a bridge, she was interrupting the President!  I don't doubt that she had the best of intentions, but complaining about her being kicked out is complete nonsense.  Anybody would get kicked out if they did that!

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6492 on: June 30, 2015, 07:13:57 pm »
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This point does not deny that drag queens participated in the riot. They did.

Also, UP, interrupting an elected official at a press conference or public speech to shout out a protest statement for the crowd and press to hear - and maybe even get a comment from the pol - has been a common form of non-violent protest the world over since forever. Obama is paid well enough, and is experienced enough, to handle a critical shout out. I don't like the way he handled that one though. He could have answered her and had a brief meaningful dialog, but immigration is political dice rolling, and he crapped out by trying to act cool and bitchy - "You're in my house". No. The White House belongs to the nation. Any sitting President is answerable to any citizen. Public Service, UP.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6493 on: June 30, 2015, 08:59:25 pm »
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This point does not deny that drag queens participated in the riot. They did.

Also, UP, interrupting an elected official at a press conference or public speech to shout out a protest statement for the crowd and press to hear - and maybe even get a comment from the pol - has been a common form of non-violent protest the world over since forever. Obama is paid well enough, and is experienced enough, to handle a critical shout out. I don't like the way he handled that one though. He could have answered her and had a brief meaningful dialog, but immigration is political dice rolling, and he copped out by trying to act cool and bitchy - "You're in my house". No. The White House belongs to the nation. Any sitting President is answerable to any citizen. Public Service, UP.

I never claimed that trans people weren't involved in Stonewall, just that their role may have been exaggerated.

As for the rest, I guess you have a point.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6494 on: July 01, 2015, 05:32:40 pm »


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