Worst of Social Justice

[Sigmaleph]

And now radflakes have an actual death on their hands:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/

That article may have glossed over details I'm unaware of but it sounds like he never made a public apology about the alleged incident. If there's something people should learn in communications class, it's that you sometimes have to swallow your pride and apologize over a perceived slight instead of doubling down.

It's unfortunate that he ended up committing suicide but he kept on doubling down and escalating what otherwise may have been a manageable situation.

This is... if not exactly victim blaming, pretty fucking close.

Call-out culture, public shaming and associated memes where huge bunches of people online harass an individual over a real or perceived case of racism/sexism/etc. are possibly the worst thing to come out of the social justice movement. They are not constructive in the least, at best they lead to effective censorship and at worst they lead to cases like this.

The answer to this is not "well, he should have faked an apology even though he didn't mean it". First, because that's not really too effective anyway, apologising does not reliably end the harassment. Second, because it fucks up the discourse norms and places certain positions beyond public disagreement. Third, because it creates perverse incentives for every group to organise themselves into massive "I'm offended" campaigns.

The answer, hopefully, would be getting rid of the idea that everyone needs to start sending messages to Designated-Target-#473565 about how horrible they are until they cry publicly in self-flagellation or kill themselves (or someone else comes up and the effort is redirected). It's an awful dynamic, and the sooner it ends the better for everyone.

[guizonde]

And now radflakes have an actual death on their hands:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/

That article may have glossed over details I'm unaware of but it sounds like he never made a public apology about the alleged incident. If there's something people should learn in communications class, it's that you sometimes have to swallow your pride and apologize over a perceived slight instead of doubling down.

It's unfortunate that he ended up committing suicide but he kept on doubling down and escalating what otherwise may have been a manageable situation.

This is... if not exactly victim blaming, pretty fucking close.

Call-out culture, public shaming and associated memes where huge bunches of people online harass an individual over a real or perceived case of racism/sexism/etc. are possibly the worst thing to come out of the social justice movement. They are not constructive in the least, at best they lead to effective censorship and at worst they lead to cases like this.

The answer to this is not "well, he should have faked an apology even though he didn't mean it". First, because that's not really too effective anyway, apologising does not reliably end the harassment. Second, because it fucks up the discourse norms and places certain positions beyond public disagreement. Third, because it creates perverse incentives for every group to organise themselves into massive "I'm offended" campaigns.

The answer, hopefully, would be getting rid of the idea that everyone needs to start sending messages to Designated-Target-#473565 about how horrible they are until they cry publicly in self-flagellation or kill themselves (or someone else comes up and the effort is redirected). It's an awful dynamic, and the sooner it ends the better for everyone.

another reason why sigma's the admin.

ironchew's dander is up today, what happened, bud? you're more vitriolic than usual. i'm on ultie's and sigma's side on this one. pushing someone to suicide is "fuck no, automatically makes you wrong" territory, even when it could potentially be justified. the guy was doing his thing, then a massive campaign rises to ruin his life? that's not social justice, that's mob mentality.

[Askold]

Yay for social justice warriors who have no sense of humour...

[Second Coming of Madman]

[Art Vandelay]

And facts are nothing more than a heteronazi conspiracy.

[Ultimate Paragon]

MFA Boston cancelled a Monet exhibition because radflakes deemed it "vile racism" and "culturally insensitive".

https://archive.is/GQSxe

[guizonde]

MFA Boston cancelled a Monet exhibition because radflakes deemed it "vile racism" and "culturally insensitive".

https://archive.is/GQSxe

to be fair, the exhibition called for showing some monet paintings, most notably "la japonaise", aka monet's wife wearing a kimono, while giving the possibility to museum goers of trying on a replica kimono. the radflakes have called that culturally insensitive (nevermind that the japanese public had no problems with it), and so what is cancelled is the wearing of the kimono, being replaced instead by exposing the kimono in question (but not the ability to try it on). it's really silly, and racist of the radflakes.

[mellenORL]

Another instance of Tumblrina contagion spreading out in real life.

[Ultimate Paragon]

An actual Japanese person weighs in:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwoSYWIgV9Y" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwoSYWIgV9Y</a>

[guizonde]

i watched the video, and they're right. it's as stupid as saying it's cultural appropriation from the basques for wearing a beret. oh wait, the basques don't count because they're white. i swear, tumblrinas and sjw's have become as racist as the guys they were trying to fight originally.

if i'm going to the desert, i'll wear a djellabah because it's proper hot-weather attire, not because i'm trying to become kabil or berber or touareg. i'll wear a kimono if the situation calls for it (that, and they look comfortable).

is it cultural appropriation for me to wear cowboy boots, a neck lace and leather chaps since i'm not american? would anyone be offended? nope, they'd just say "die cis scum shitlord, you're triggering me with your pro-americanism" or something. they're pathetic, and diluting the impact of social justice by bickering about details.

[TheUnknown]

My sister was gifted with a kimono by a Japanese high school class when her class visited Japan.  I guess the Japanese were too stupid to realize that they were encouraging the appropriation of their own culture./sarcasm

On a funnier note, I think there actually is a subculture in Japan that's obsessed with cowboys and the American Wild West.

[Zygarde]

In my opinion unless it's a special religious garment or something that is really culturally significant (like certain marriage kimonos that have a special connotation) I say cloths can be worn by anyone, the idea that wearing some cloths is cultural appropriation is a weird thing since some cases it's true (like a hipster wearing native American head dresses) but other times it's just BS (like a white person wearing a kimono or a cheongsam)

[ironbite]

My sister was gifted with a kimono by a Japanese high school class when her class visited Japan.  I guess the Japanese were too stupid to realize that they were encouraging the appropriation of their own culture./sarcasm

On a funnier note, I think there actually is a subculture in Japan that's obsessed with cowboys and the American Wild West.

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Ironbite-no clue what you're talking about.

[RavynousHunter]

The Wild West...in a way that would only ever make sense coming from Japan.  Sounds about right.

[ironbite]

Second picture is of a Ninja btw.