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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6615 on: July 21, 2015, 11:56:46 pm »


The hypocrisy in the latter article is off the charts. Not only is she complaining about the lack of attention, she also complains that her desire for attention is a form of oppression...

I don't see the hypocrisy. She thinks catcalling sucks. She also has an internalised subconscious feeling that getting catcalled less means she's less desirable and this bothers her. She doesn't endorse this feeling, but she has it anyway, because that's how feelings work.

Your feelings not agreeing with your ideals is not hypocrisy, it's being a human being.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6616 on: July 23, 2015, 12:21:47 pm »


You're right, it's not reverse discrimination.  It's discrimination.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6617 on: July 23, 2015, 01:05:48 pm »
You're right, it's not reverse discrimination.  It's discrimination.

Are you just trying to be offended by things that don't happen in reality, UP?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6618 on: July 23, 2015, 01:09:09 pm »
You're right, it's not reverse discrimination.  It's discrimination.

Are you just trying to be offended by things that don't happen in reality, UP?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11565564/Body-image-My-size-zero-life-being-skinny-shamed-by-my-friends.html

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6619 on: July 23, 2015, 01:11:44 pm »
I was saying you're full of shit.

Spare me the sob-stories from UK tabloids.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6621 on: July 23, 2015, 01:32:56 pm »
I was saying you're full of shit.

Spare me the sob-stories from UK tabloids.

The Daily Telegraph is not a tabloid.

But I guess I can see where you're coming from.  You want more sources?  Fine:

I don't really want a wall of links, no. You seem to have missed that critical part of citation etiquette where you give a summary of the points the linked article makes so that I don't have to figure out what you meant.

Come to think of it, your linkspamming habit reminds me of those reactionary *-gates you get so caught up in.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6622 on: July 23, 2015, 01:50:41 pm »
So, what does this mean, are ya'll gonna fuck or what?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6623 on: July 23, 2015, 03:03:50 pm »
Me go for it.  After I got through him it's like a jumbo jet going down the grand canyon.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6624 on: July 23, 2015, 07:37:38 pm »


You're right, it's not reverse discrimination.  It's discrimination.

Overall, the article isn't terrible? I mean, I disagree with the conclusion, but it at least shows some awareness that skinny-shaming is not ok and the author appears to genuinely understand that it's not so simple as to say "'reverse discrimination doesn't exist lol".

The main argument appears to be that fat-shamingis worse than skinny-shaming, because while they are both forms of sexism fat-shaming is at the intersection of fatphobia and sexism, and so it gets more Oppression Points. (the other argument is the standard your suffering is bad but it isn't as bad as this other form of suffering because it isn't Structural Oppression".

I don't think that's a productive way to look at intersectionality, and frankly the whole idea that we need to rank different forms of shaming from best to worst is rather dumb. The entire category of behaviours containing fat- and skinny-shaming is stupid. It's harmful. How much it hurts you depends more on who you are than anything else. Trying to say, "yes but this is worse In General because this structure here" erases individual experiences, or whatever the latest sj-buzzword for that is.

But here's the part that actually bothered me rather than just disagreeing with it. I tried to track down that article but the only version that exists right now is "4 Reasons Why We Need to Stop Thinking of Skinny-Shaming as ‘Reverse Discrimination’"

If you track down the old version, you'll notice the reason that got deleted is that "It Can Be Used as a Tool Against Oppressive Structures". In other words, "skinny bitch" is in the same category as "white devil", and apparently that's a good thing. Because if you throw it in people's faces they'll stop being so oppressive of fat people, somehow.

At least it's nice that they removed that,  but it's disingenuous that they left no mention of it in the currently available version. A simple "Editorial comment: a previous version of this article blah blah blah" would've sufficed.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6626 on: July 24, 2015, 09:02:22 am »
But apparently we still get paid more so how much better are women, really?

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6627 on: July 24, 2015, 05:19:28 pm »
Seems Femitheist Divine is getting some followers.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6628 on: July 26, 2015, 12:52:05 pm »


Do you even know how colorblindness works?

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #6629 on: July 26, 2015, 03:19:11 pm »
I wasn't sure to whether to put this here or Things People Say:



Yes, because it was totally the fault of the passengers, even the children, that White Star Liner or whoever was in charge had racist policies.  They totally deserved to drown and freeze to death.