Well, I wanted to put this behind me, but I guess some people just can't let it go.
Maybe I'm wrong about this. But hear me out. See, when I see somebody claim to be trans and yet admit to not experiencing dysphoria, my first thought is that they're some fauxgressive snowflake who decided to use the label like it's a fashion accessory. To me, it's like all those idiots who diagnose themselves with autism/ADHD/schizophrenia/whatever. Or to go back a little bit, like the political lesbians of yesteryear.
Why do I think this? My reasoning is simple when you get right down to it. The definition of "gender dysphoria" is feeling uncomfortable with your assigned gender. Logically, this means that people who don't have gender dysphoria have no problem with their assigned gender. Riddle me this: if you feel comfortable with your assigned gender, how can you be trans? The way I see it, it's like claiming to be diabetic when you have normal blood sugar.
And that's not even getting into how repulsive tucute/transtrender people can be:
Bullshit, your post specifically took umbrage with those "who turn themselves into mix and match sideshow freaks aren't transgender, it's not about being the opposite sex, it's about being special." Your post ridiculed those who do not conform to and reinforce the gender binary--most notably genderqueer people. Seriously dude, why does this bother you? They're not hurting anyone. They don't identify as male or female: but neither or an in-between. All they're really doing is blurring the lines behind bullshit social norms surrounding gender (and gender as a social construct is silly). They're not hurting people, they're active members of the transgender community (words matter, transgender is a catchall for any gender-variance and included genderqueer people, transsexual is one who typically transitions through hormonal or surgical means). Just because you found an idiot on the internet does not reinforce you post, and subsequent posts, ridiculing genderqueer people for not fitting into the gender-binary.
Ah, I think I see the problem. See, you're using the broader definition of "trans", while I'm using the narrower one. Seems like we're operating on a miscommunication.
Second, both you and the post tied gender dysphoria to genitals, saying "Isn't experiencing gender dysphoria the definition of being trans? Before SRS, of course." What you post and what you say repesents an outdated view by the medical professionals that was abandoned in the early 80's. I repeat, there is no qualification about feeling dysphoria regarding your genitals in order to be trans. Your post subsequently erased and ridiculed them as phonies for not living up to your expectation of a transsexual. There are a number of trans-individuals who do not want reassignment surgery, they are called non-ops. The prevalence is more common in FtMs than MtFs, and that is why I asked--twice--if your brother is trans, which of course Paragon never responds.
Okay, that was my bad. That was a typo I never bothered to correct. When I typed "my brother," I meant "my
cousin." As for why I didn't answer before, I was too embarrassed to admit it.
And that is pretty shitty dude. You make up having a trans-individual in your family for one debate with Ghoti so that you could tell him that trans-people need to glorify cis-culture if we want rights. You know, that whole "win the hearts and minds" bullshit. Almost as if the onus for solving transphobia should fall on trans-individuals to be nicer and better people, instead of on cissexuals (as an aggregated group) to...you know... NOT DISCRIMINATE. The fact that you would make up such a story highlights your intellectual dishonesty. You don't care about pesky things like facts or reality (with its known liberal bias), you care only about pushing your misogynist and transphobic agenda. The fact that you made up such a story also proves that you are a concern troll, interested only in pulling the board towards your opinions. Funny, that most of those issues involve women, and you like to take the side that is harmful to women.
Harmful to radflakes, maybe.
Not too busy to tell trans people they're not trans enough for a cis man's standards, apparently.
Maybe they use the word "dysphoria" in a different way than you. There are several definitions for it, you know. It's entirely possible that the people you're deciding aren't trans are using it to mean "body dysphoria" (not having a need to physically transition), which is a connotation that exists. Or, like Sigma said, an entirely different category of dysphoria than what you're using. Have these people ever actually said "my gender is the gender that was assigned to me at birth"? No? Then let's apply Occam's Razor: which is more likely? A notable-enough amount of these """transtrenders""" lying in the exact same scheme for the exact same purpose, or them expressing their actual selves? (And before you start, I'm not saying there isn't at least one person that has lied about being noncis. But your reasoning for what makes a """transtrender""" is spotty beyond all hell.)
Actually, how do you define dysphoria?
Also, your diabetes analogy is flawed because a gender is not a physical state of wellness or lack thereof, and comparing being noncis to having a disease is pretty iffy.
Huh. Good points.
Fine then. I'll drop it. At least for now
Y'know, when I noticed the 1 pt text, I was half hoping you'd try for eppur si muove. Shame.
Anyway. I'm not sure if you actually expected everyone to miss that, or if you didn't. I'm also not sure which would be worse.
So. I'm kind of pissed off right now. Direct questions:
Do you think people have to binary trans people who experience body dysphoria to be legitimately trans? If not, what do you think it takes for someone to be legitimately trans, and why have you judged some people who call themselves trans to fail that?
Again, we're operating off two different definitions. The way I define "transgender" is "somebody who is uncomfortable/unhappy with their assigned gender." I view it as being a subset of genderqueer, not the other way around.